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Skittles

(153,169 posts)
1. ABSOUTELY CORRECT
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 03:08 AM
Jan 2017

when assholes say "identity politics", they're implying something like, oh, civil rights for gay folk just aren't THAT important....THIS ISN'T THE TIME! Well guess what, IT'S ALWAYS TIME.....IT'S LONG *PAST* TIME.

brer cat

(24,578 posts)
2. So true, boston bean.
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 03:21 AM
Jan 2017

Our only hope of getting through this vile administration is by staying together, else the hatred and divisiveness that they are sowing will destroy this nation.

herding cats

(19,565 posts)
3. If we all stand shoulder to shoulder under our big tent we will weather the storm, together.
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 03:29 AM
Jan 2017

If we let them divide us, we will lose everything we've fought since FDR. All of our hard fought battles for our rights, yours, mine and theirs, will all be reduced to a bittersweet memory.

aikoaiko

(34,172 posts)
4. Its really an ancient truism. The problem is the definition of "we"
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 05:11 AM
Jan 2017

We can say it included everyone, but that's not what everyone believed. HRC didn't lay the groundwork for a "One America" as Obama did.

The same is true of "Make America Great Again". For many of the people saying that they sincerely meant it for everyone, but significant numbers of POC and women heard a harken for times of more extreme inequality and discrimination. Unfortunately, there were enough people in enough states who found themselves in that message to win 300+ electoral votes.

The meaning of "we" exists in the listener as well as the speaker.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
5. It included everyone except people who didn't want to be stonger together with
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 09:20 AM
Jan 2017

women, black persons, muslims, lgbt, hispanic.

aikoaiko

(34,172 posts)
6. Sure it did, but the campaign wasn't able to persuade enough
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 07:29 PM
Jan 2017

white Americans, to a greater degree, and POC and other minorties, to a lesser degree, that there was value in uniting with Democratic voting women, black persons, muslims, lgbt, hispanics, etc.

There was definitely a sense of get on the bus or get out of the way hubris in the campaign that failed to articulate a "One America" as Candidate and President Obama did.

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