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kentuck

(111,104 posts)
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 01:18 AM Jan 2017

There was a rather disturbing development today.

There was a lot of distractions. But, in the middle of it all, some of the top officials at the State Department were fired. The first report was that they had all resigned. Obviously, a planted story.

Why would Trump, and the men behind him, want to get rid of the most experienced, most qualified people in our State Department? And put Putin's oil man in as the Secretary of State?

And, all the while, we were all talking about the wall, and who was going to pay, and the release of the story about the Russian that was charged with treason? And so forth and so forth.

So, why did they fire those top officials in our State Department? We truly need to know.

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There was a rather disturbing development today. (Original Post) kentuck Jan 2017 OP
Why? Because he wants 'his people,' as he likes to call them, in place. pangaia Jan 2017 #1
wwvd? unblock Jan 2017 #2
+1 blue cat Jan 2017 #15
Aaaand now he wants to drop all sanctions against Russia. mahina Jan 2017 #3
We will finally get to see if the Republicans have any spine, or heart to fight? kentuck Jan 2017 #4
+1 mahina Jan 2017 #5
Is that "dropping sanctions" fact or rumor? WinkyDink Jan 2017 #6
It's "alternative fact". kentuck Jan 2017 #7
Rachel Maddow reported it tonight mahina Jan 2017 #14
Which was expected. herding cats Jan 2017 #13
So no one would complain when the Russian hacking story is finally confirmed along with the Lint Head Jan 2017 #8
I refuse to be a prisoner.. HipChick Jan 2017 #10
He may be Putin's prisoner. BadgerMom Jan 2017 #11
All that historical knowledge is going to be lost HipChick Jan 2017 #9
I think it's important to note this wasn't usual. herding cats Jan 2017 #12
fired v quit mopinko Jan 2017 #16
Yes, that's what I read took place. herding cats Jan 2017 #19
Why is the media not reporting this story? kentuck Jan 2017 #17
Putin told them to fire the people? TeamPooka Jan 2017 #18
I get the feeling they resigned.... lisa58 Jan 2017 #20

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
1. Why? Because he wants 'his people,' as he likes to call them, in place.
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 01:22 AM
Jan 2017

That's what dictators do.

He would place all reporters if possible. Generals, police chiefs, etc etc

mahina

(17,669 posts)
3. Aaaand now he wants to drop all sanctions against Russia.
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 01:30 AM
Jan 2017

So many disturbing things today and every day it seems

kentuck

(111,104 posts)
4. We will finally get to see if the Republicans have any spine, or heart to fight?
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 01:37 AM
Jan 2017

They have stood strong for sanctions against Russia. The Republican Party has not been a strong supporter of Russia or Putin in the past.

If they do not fight against lifting the sanctions on Russia, then they will have shown themselves to not be up to the job. That is the most gentle way we can say it.

kentuck

(111,104 posts)
7. It's "alternative fact".
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 01:54 AM
Jan 2017
I think I saw it on one of those crawlers on the bottom of the television screen this evening? Sometimes it is difficult to tell, whenever they start dropping several stories at a time, in an attempt to distract people, to the point where they cannot tell the difference, between the real story or the fake story? It does seem very relevant and important to me that the top echelon of the State Department was fired today. ??

herding cats

(19,565 posts)
13. Which was expected.
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 03:04 AM
Jan 2017

After the Ukraine change in the RNC platform, dropping the sanctions was a given. What I'm hoping is we've drawn enough eyes to Trumps Russian connections to catch the attention of the press on this move.

Lint Head

(15,064 posts)
8. So no one would complain when the Russian hacking story is finally confirmed along with the
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 02:04 AM
Jan 2017

pissing prostitute episode. A mole in Russia was arrested today and I think this weekend, when Trump lifts the sanctions, it will confirm we are no longer America but are prisoners of a coup d'etat.

herding cats

(19,565 posts)
12. I think it's important to note this wasn't usual.
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 03:00 AM
Jan 2017

Yes, presidents do tend to replace some of these positions within their first year of taking office, but they've never been forced out in this fashion. It was beyond the pale.

mopinko

(70,134 posts)
16. fired v quit
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 11:40 AM
Jan 2017

i suspect what happened is that people handed in their pro-forma resignations, and they were, shockingly and stupidly, accepted.
it is basically a firing.

herding cats

(19,565 posts)
19. Yes, that's what I read took place.
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 02:34 PM
Jan 2017
One senior State Department official who responded to my requests for comment said that all the officials had previously submitted their letters of resignation, as was required for all positions that are appointed by the president and that require confirmation by the Senate, known as PAS positions.

“No officer accepts a PAS position with the expectation that it is unlimited. And all officers understand that the President may choose to replace them at any time,” this official said. “These officers have served admirably and well. Their departure offers a moment to consider their accomplishments and thank them for their service. These are the patterns and rhythms of the career service.”

Ambassador Richard Boucher, who served as State Department spokesman for Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice, said that while there’s always a lot of turnover around the time a new administration takes office, traditionally senior officials work with the new team to see who should stay on in their roles and what other jobs might be available. But that’s not what happened this time.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/01/26/the-state-departments-entire-senior-management-team-just-resigned/?utm_term=.67983a91a4c7

lisa58

(5,755 posts)
20. I get the feeling they resigned....
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 08:07 PM
Jan 2017

Because of what they were asked to do and the administration didn't like being insulted so they said they fired them.

The State Department senior management resigned the day before the administration said they asked for their resignations- in any other situation it would have been announced by the administration (think Nixon and Haldeman/Erlichman)

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