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yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
1. Reagan in his second term.
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 01:22 PM
Jan 2017

Nixon in his second term.

It's astounding to see this hew and cry in the first week!

Raven

(13,900 posts)
2. Yes, I thought of Nixon's midnight ramblings but
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 01:29 PM
Jan 2017

it took Nixon awhile to unspool...this guy unraveled in less than a week.

Bucky

(54,068 posts)
5. He entered office unraveled.
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 01:53 PM
Jan 2017

The "gift" of his mental illness is that he's been insulated for years by his wealth, his celebrity, and his remarkable capacity for self-promotion. He's going to rule like a tyrant and he's brought in the kind of staff needed to govern that way.

People are going to die because of his policies. This is not going to be just bad governance, as with Dubya. Democracy is on the line.

malchickiwick

(1,474 posts)
3. Reagan was probably this mentally incapacitated during his last year/year-and-a-half.
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 01:37 PM
Jan 2017

But because he was at the end of his second term, and so insulated by "Mommy" and his cadre of sycophants, he wasn't able to collapse human civilization as the en-Cheetoed one seems intent to do.

Bucky

(54,068 posts)
4. This is far worse than Nixon or Reagan or even Wilson after his stroke
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 01:47 PM
Jan 2017

Nixon's freak-out period was really only a few weeks of serious depression in his final days in office in 1974. Nixon, for all his character flaws, had a top rate intellect and a pragmatic turn of mind. He'd hired around himself a cabinet that left the government's non-political functions operating quite well across all departments. He'd also brought in, after the Watergate resignations came through, a pretty competent White House staff that kept the routine administration tasks moving smoothly. And for those who've read Woodward & Bernstein's book The Final Days, General Alexander Haig did a near heroic job as Chief of Staff, keeping the president on task and away from giving into his worst excesses.

Reagan and Wilson's degrees of incapacitation may never be known. But both had entered office with strong mindsets and had around them key staffers who continued their work and sense of national mission while the chief executive was somewhat un-marbled. Wilson actually recovered a bit from his stroke during 1920. The importance here is that there was already a forward motion, a residual propulsion toward responsible behavior, that lingered after the boss lost his competency. Reagan had Don Regan and Howard Baker to support him. Wilson had Edith Wilson mother-henning him through the worst of his illness.

With Trump, we don't have that. He walked into office determined to do bad things. All his little toadies are there to plunder or to bring the rot of white nationalism into public policy. At their worst, Nixon, Reagan, and Wilson were engaged in misadministration. Trump's goal seems to be maladministration. It's both a bursocracy, government by bribe, and a kleptocracy, government by theft (or, more properly, a leilacracy--government by looting). There's no one around trying to right the course (ironically, the course to the far right). The tone Trump is setting is "let's crush the opposition; let's win by making everyone else lose". As bad as Reagan and Nixon and the Bushes ever were, their goals were more or less national success. Trump's seems to be using the bait of success to hook more of America under his power. In a word, fascism.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
8. The best historical parallel is Lewis Levin of the Know Nothing Party
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 02:08 PM
Jan 2017

He was the driving force of a Party that stoked the fears of immigrants and portrayed itself as a superior moral force (promoting the prohibition of alcohol) running against the establishment and promoting everything to do with nativism and bigotry.

They had a brief run, but here is what happened to Levin:


Levin was enraged and disgusted by the new Republican Party's nomination of John C. Frémont for President at the convention in Philadelphia in June 1856. He wrote a lengthy diatribe against Frémont,[21] which he delivered at a rally in Philadelphia's National Hall (now Independence Hall) shortly after Millard Fillmore had been nominated by both the Know Nothings and the Whigs. However, Frémont partisans pulled him off the stand.[22][23]

According to newspaper reports, Levin suffered a complete mental collapse and became so "deranged" that he was placed in the Philadelphia Hospital for the Insane.[24]

Newspapers report him being committed on a later occasion in June 1859, after a visit to a brother in Columbia, South Carolina. Levin is said to have become "dangerous and unmanageable" on the train to Richmond, whereupon friends and railway workers subdued him and detained him in the mail car.[25]


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