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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJust thought of something: what if Orly Taitz was a Russian plant?
There was a time when I would have thought such a thing was crazy and paranoid. But the past year, and daily life over the past few months, have shown that that may not be so crazy and paranoid after all. In fact, it's starting to make more and more sense to me.
She was a Russian immigrant. She had no practical reason to be so obsessed from the beginning with discrediting and impeaching Obama. Obama had Russia's and Putin's number from the beginning and Putin knew it, he couldn't get what he wanted from Obama and couldn't get this country to do his bidding the way he wanted. So there was reason for Putin to want Obama gone from the beginning of his presidency. There have been high-up Russians who've claimed that Putin began grooming Drumpf over five years ago. This would have been when it was obvious that Taitz's relentless campaign wasn't working, both in the courts and in getting the majority of Americans to consider him illegitimate.
So it's really not too far-fetched to imagine that Taitz was Putin's puppet all along. Russian interference in our elections and its cyber campaign of disinformation and discord has been successful, and it continues to be in many areas while Americans continue to be clueless.
The question is, can we recognize that it is happening again and can we recognize another plant like Taitz?
Eliot Rosewater
(31,121 posts)liberalhistorian
(20,819 posts)than the regime we are currently suffering under.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,121 posts)host is one.
But that is all I will say.
liberalhistorian
(20,819 posts)that I know just who you're talking about, lol.
Generator
(7,770 posts)Dangerous how?
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,836 posts)They aren't in the spotlight at all. Drawing too much attention to yourself means people will start looking closely at you, and if you're going to be an effective agent that will not do at all. Orly Taitz is way too crazy, stupid and all-around weird ever to have worked in that capacity.
liberalhistorian
(20,819 posts)Or maybe her "craziness" was just another act, as part of the plan?
dalton99a
(81,570 posts)"Are YOU crazy? We have nothing to do with such a wild and crazy person!!!"
liberalhistorian
(20,819 posts)another tactic, one that often works.
2naSalit
(86,775 posts)Worked this time. W was the trial buffoon and that worked spectacularly in setting the stage for what we have now.
dalton99a
(81,570 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,836 posts)Manafort maybe, or even Tillerson? Not Trump - he's too stupid.
citood
(550 posts)Vlad could get somebody better than her.
Generator
(7,770 posts)Well she says Goldman Sachs runs the treasury so I guess she's prophetic. What a nutjob. Left Russia in 1981 for Israel. I think she's just a conspiracy freak. Or as Putin calls her a very nice useful idiot. She could be more though. Anything's possible these days.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)Comic relief, she was.
Denzil_DC
(7,257 posts)I'd kinda assumed she was a Democratic plant.
brooklynite
(94,727 posts)Seriously, why would you assume anyone would hire such an incompetent person?
liberalhistorian
(20,819 posts)craziness may have just been a part of the plan.
poboy2
(2,078 posts)A proto-Russian operative? She was the initial ground softener. 'Crazy' could work in her favor.
She's ALL for Trump these days, btw. She has a website too. I did not post the link, but its active.
Orly Taitz
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Orly Taitz (born August 30, 1960)[8] is a Moldovan-American political conspiracy theorist. A dentist, lawyer,[9] and former real estate agent,[10][11] Taitz was a figure in the "birther" movement, which promoted the conspiracy theory that Barack Obama was not a natural-born citizen eligible to serve as President of the United States. Taitz also promotes a number of other conspiracy theories both related and unrelated to Obama. Taitz has initiated a number of lawsuits on behalf of the "birther" movement; all were dismissed by the courts, and on one occasion Taitz was ordered to pay $20,000 as a sanction for misconduct in filing frivolous claims. Taitz has unsuccessfully run for statewide office in California three times.
Orly Taitz was born to a Jewish family in Chișinău, Moldavian SSR, in the Soviet Union (present-day Moldova).[7] Both of her parents were science teachers.[12] In 1981, Taitz immigrated to Israel,[1] where she obtained a dentistry degree at Hebrew University.[1] In 1987, she met Yosef Taitz who proposed four months later. Taitz immigrated to the United States in May 1987, marrying the Latvian-born[12] Yosef in Las Vegas.[7] Taitz became a naturalized United States citizen in 1992.[2][13] She received her law degree from Taft Law School and was admitted to practice law in California in December 2002.[12][14]
Taitz lives in Laguna Niguel, California,[15] and owns dental practices in nearby Mission Viejo and Rancho Santa Margarita.[7] She has three sons,[7] holds a second degree black belt in Taekwondo, and speaks five languages: English, Hebrew, Romanian, Russian and Spanish.[16][17]
Before her national news exposure, Taitz was quoted in The Orange County Register in 2006 supporting Israeli military actions against Hamas and Hezbollah,[18] and downplaying the impact of the espionage trial of two American Israel Public Affairs Committee staffers.[19] (Charges against both were subsequently dropped.)[20] Taitz has also said that she lost relatives in the Holocaust and that her grandmother witnessed the Kishinev pogrom.[16][21]
Taitz's other claims[edit]
Taitz has also supported a number of other theories not directly related to Obama, including:
Goldman Sachs runs the United States Treasury.[23]
Baxter International has developed a bird flu vaccine that kills people.[23]
Representative Alcee Hastings and the House of Representatives are planning to build at least six labor camps.[23]
Hugo Chávez owns the software that runs American voting machines,[21]
FactCheck is untrustworthy because of its links to the Annenberg Foundation.[21]
Taitz has also advocated numerous Internet-related theories, including PayPal attacks, the deletion of her Wikipedia entry, and Google's flagging her webpage as an attack site and suppressing search results for her name.[21]
Taitz has stated that 2016 Republican presidential candidates Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, and Bobby Jindal were not natural-born citizens and therefore were ineligible for the office they sought.[27][28]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orly_Taitz
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Also found this TYT takedown- Wild, salacious, good stuff:
The Liberal Lion
(1,414 posts)but it just popped in my mind that indeed birtherism was putin first attempt to destabilize the US government. Orly Taitz was his first puppet. She then went on to enlist other prominent republicans in birtherism. Elected republicans latched on to birtherism due to their innate racism. Putin was pleased to see birtherism grow. He then enlisted trump into the fold. trump complied for two reasons: 1) he owes the russian mob BIG money, and 2) trump would do anything including betraying his country to build trump tower Moscow. Of course, since Obama is a black man trump could convince himself he wasn't betraying his country by a) demanding Obama's birth certificate or b) praising putin as a strong leader in public while calling Obama weak, but rather he could misguidedly see himself as "saving" America from brown people.
Let us remember, trump's run for president did not start with his misguided speech on immigrants, but rather with his demand for Obama's birth certificate and his public praise of putin.
liberalhistorian
(20,819 posts)birtherism, and have no doubt that it was one of Putin's first shots across the bow. He was laying the groundwork for today's craziness.
Andrew McCabe in his 60 Minutes interview a few weeks ago came right out and said that he thought there was a strong possibility that Drumpf was a Russian asset, and he is certainly no foaming at the mouth conspiracy nut. These are truly frightening times, times I never thought we'd see in this country.
CalperniaUSA
(3 posts)Did Russian disinformation start with the Birther movement?
Note this post in the Reddit article in comments:
--- Hey @FoxRaptix, have a close look at the email chain of Exhibit A in the declaration filed in a case in the Southern District of Florida: http://denvillecommunity.com/Smithaffidavit.pdf
CalperniaUSA
(3 posts)Orly Taitz, Trump Tower
The Liberal Lion
(1,414 posts)The deceit, fraud and treason is right there in plain sight.