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liberalhistorian

(20,819 posts)
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 01:45 PM Jan 2017

Just thought of something: what if Orly Taitz was a Russian plant?

There was a time when I would have thought such a thing was crazy and paranoid. But the past year, and daily life over the past few months, have shown that that may not be so crazy and paranoid after all. In fact, it's starting to make more and more sense to me.

She was a Russian immigrant. She had no practical reason to be so obsessed from the beginning with discrediting and impeaching Obama. Obama had Russia's and Putin's number from the beginning and Putin knew it, he couldn't get what he wanted from Obama and couldn't get this country to do his bidding the way he wanted. So there was reason for Putin to want Obama gone from the beginning of his presidency. There have been high-up Russians who've claimed that Putin began grooming Drumpf over five years ago. This would have been when it was obvious that Taitz's relentless campaign wasn't working, both in the courts and in getting the majority of Americans to consider him illegitimate.

So it's really not too far-fetched to imagine that Taitz was Putin's puppet all along. Russian interference in our elections and its cyber campaign of disinformation and discord has been successful, and it continues to be in many areas while Americans continue to be clueless.

The question is, can we recognize that it is happening again and can we recognize another plant like Taitz?

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Just thought of something: what if Orly Taitz was a Russian plant? (Original Post) liberalhistorian Jan 2017 OP
Be careful, there are many of these people but exposing them is dangerous, for real. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2017 #1
It can't be any more dangerous liberalhistorian Jan 2017 #6
Probably. I was going to mention that I am pretty sure a well known progressive radio talk show Eliot Rosewater Jan 2017 #13
Hmm, I'm pretty sure liberalhistorian Jan 2017 #17
Dangerous to who? Generator Jan 2017 #7
Russian moles have tended to be much more subtle and concealed. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2017 #2
I hope you're right. liberalhistorian Jan 2017 #3
Plausible deniability dalton99a Jan 2017 #9
Yes, that's liberalhistorian Jan 2017 #11
And the new pResident isn't crazier? 2naSalit Jan 2017 #12
Well, Trump is pretty crazy. dalton99a Jan 2017 #8
Trump isn't a Russian mole; he's their useful idiot. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2017 #10
I doubt it. She was very ineffective, to teh point of damaging the birther movement. citood Jan 2017 #4
I don't even know who she is Generator Jan 2017 #5
Oily Taintz, I'm sure, acted on her own wacky impulses. MineralMan Jan 2017 #14
Given her track record, Denzil_DC Jan 2017 #15
Then the Russians wasted a huge amount of money. brooklynite Jan 2017 #16
The incompetence and liberalhistorian Jan 2017 #18
This supposition crossed my mind just now. Did a search, so I will post in this thread. poboy2 Mar 2018 #19
I know this is an old post The Liberal Lion Mar 2019 #20
I feel the same way about liberalhistorian Mar 2019 #21
birtherism, and have no doubt that it was one of Putin's first shots across the bow. CalperniaUSA Mar 2019 #22
Orly Taitz, Trump Tower CalperniaUSA Aug 2019 #23
Good goodness The Liberal Lion Aug 2019 #24

Eliot Rosewater

(31,121 posts)
13. Probably. I was going to mention that I am pretty sure a well known progressive radio talk show
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 04:20 PM
Jan 2017

host is one.

But that is all I will say.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,836 posts)
2. Russian moles have tended to be much more subtle and concealed.
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 01:48 PM
Jan 2017

They aren't in the spotlight at all. Drawing too much attention to yourself means people will start looking closely at you, and if you're going to be an effective agent that will not do at all. Orly Taitz is way too crazy, stupid and all-around weird ever to have worked in that capacity.

2naSalit

(86,775 posts)
12. And the new pResident isn't crazier?
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 02:00 PM
Jan 2017

Worked this time. W was the trial buffoon and that worked spectacularly in setting the stage for what we have now.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,836 posts)
10. Trump isn't a Russian mole; he's their useful idiot.
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 01:57 PM
Jan 2017

Manafort maybe, or even Tillerson? Not Trump - he's too stupid.

citood

(550 posts)
4. I doubt it. She was very ineffective, to teh point of damaging the birther movement.
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 01:50 PM
Jan 2017

Vlad could get somebody better than her.

 

Generator

(7,770 posts)
5. I don't even know who she is
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 01:50 PM
Jan 2017
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orly_Taitz

Well she says Goldman Sachs runs the treasury so I guess she's prophetic. What a nutjob. Left Russia in 1981 for Israel. I think she's just a conspiracy freak. Or as Putin calls her a very nice useful idiot. She could be more though. Anything's possible these days.

brooklynite

(94,727 posts)
16. Then the Russians wasted a huge amount of money.
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 04:58 PM
Jan 2017

Seriously, why would you assume anyone would hire such an incompetent person?

 

poboy2

(2,078 posts)
19. This supposition crossed my mind just now. Did a search, so I will post in this thread.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 12:05 PM
Mar 2018

A proto-Russian operative? She was the initial ground softener. 'Crazy' could work in her favor.

She's ALL for Trump these days, btw. She has a website too. I did not post the link, but its active.

Orly Taitz
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Orly Taitz (born August 30, 1960)[8] is a Moldovan-American political conspiracy theorist. A dentist, lawyer,[9] and former real estate agent,[10][11] Taitz was a figure in the "birther" movement, which promoted the conspiracy theory that Barack Obama was not a natural-born citizen eligible to serve as President of the United States. Taitz also promotes a number of other conspiracy theories both related and unrelated to Obama. Taitz has initiated a number of lawsuits on behalf of the "birther" movement; all were dismissed by the courts, and on one occasion Taitz was ordered to pay $20,000 as a sanction for misconduct in filing frivolous claims. Taitz has unsuccessfully run for statewide office in California three times.

Orly Taitz was born to a Jewish family in Chișinău, Moldavian SSR, in the Soviet Union (present-day Moldova).[7] Both of her parents were science teachers.[12] In 1981, Taitz immigrated to Israel,[1] where she obtained a dentistry degree at Hebrew University.[1] In 1987, she met Yosef Taitz who proposed four months later. Taitz immigrated to the United States in May 1987, marrying the Latvian-born[12] Yosef in Las Vegas.[7] Taitz became a naturalized United States citizen in 1992.[2][13] She received her law degree from Taft Law School and was admitted to practice law in California in December 2002.[12][14]

Taitz lives in Laguna Niguel, California,[15] and owns dental practices in nearby Mission Viejo and Rancho Santa Margarita.[7] She has three sons,[7] holds a second degree black belt in Taekwondo, and speaks five languages: English, Hebrew, Romanian, Russian and Spanish.[16][17]

Before her national news exposure, Taitz was quoted in The Orange County Register in 2006 supporting Israeli military actions against Hamas and Hezbollah,[18] and downplaying the impact of the espionage trial of two American Israel Public Affairs Committee staffers.[19] (Charges against both were subsequently dropped.)[20] Taitz has also said that she lost relatives in the Holocaust and that her grandmother witnessed the Kishinev pogrom.[16][21]

Taitz's other claims[edit]
Taitz has also supported a number of other theories not directly related to Obama, including:

Goldman Sachs runs the United States Treasury.[23]
Baxter International has developed a bird flu vaccine that kills people.[23]
Representative Alcee Hastings and the House of Representatives are planning to build at least six labor camps.[23]
Hugo Chávez owns the software that runs American voting machines,[21]
FactCheck is untrustworthy because of its links to the Annenberg Foundation.[21]
Taitz has also advocated numerous Internet-related theories, including PayPal attacks, the deletion of her Wikipedia entry, and Google's flagging her webpage as an attack site and suppressing search results for her name.[21]

Taitz has stated that 2016 Republican presidential candidates Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, and Bobby Jindal were not natural-born citizens and therefore were ineligible for the office they sought.[27][28]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orly_Taitz


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Also found this TYT takedown- Wild, salacious, good stuff:

The Liberal Lion

(1,414 posts)
20. I know this is an old post
Sat Mar 9, 2019, 01:53 PM
Mar 2019

but it just popped in my mind that indeed birtherism was putin first attempt to destabilize the US government. Orly Taitz was his first puppet. She then went on to enlist other prominent republicans in birtherism. Elected republicans latched on to birtherism due to their innate racism. Putin was pleased to see birtherism grow. He then enlisted trump into the fold. trump complied for two reasons: 1) he owes the russian mob BIG money, and 2) trump would do anything including betraying his country to build trump tower Moscow. Of course, since Obama is a black man trump could convince himself he wasn't betraying his country by a) demanding Obama's birth certificate or b) praising putin as a strong leader in public while calling Obama weak, but rather he could misguidedly see himself as "saving" America from brown people.

Let us remember, trump's run for president did not start with his misguided speech on immigrants, but rather with his demand for Obama's birth certificate and his public praise of putin.

liberalhistorian

(20,819 posts)
21. I feel the same way about
Sat Mar 9, 2019, 07:21 PM
Mar 2019

birtherism, and have no doubt that it was one of Putin's first shots across the bow. He was laying the groundwork for today's craziness.

Andrew McCabe in his 60 Minutes interview a few weeks ago came right out and said that he thought there was a strong possibility that Drumpf was a Russian asset, and he is certainly no foaming at the mouth conspiracy nut. These are truly frightening times, times I never thought we'd see in this country.

CalperniaUSA

(3 posts)
22. birtherism, and have no doubt that it was one of Putin's first shots across the bow.
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 06:57 PM
Mar 2019
https://www.reddit.com/r/RussiaLago/comments/aw1lqs/did_russian_disinformation_start_with_the_birther/
Did Russian disinformation start with the Birther movement?

Note this post in the Reddit article in comments:
--- Hey @FoxRaptix, have a close look at the email chain of Exhibit A in the declaration filed in a case in the Southern District of Florida: http://denvillecommunity.com/Smithaffidavit.pdf
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