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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWe may not want to jump so quickly on the No-Fraud bandwagon. Could be a trap?
Given that the Fuhrer has secretly employed the Anti-EPA Gestapo don't trust a single word he says.
If we put ourselves out there on record that everything's cool - he may perpetrate fraud at next election and it weakens our position.
Instead, everyone should be on the voter suppression bandwagon whenever subject comes up. Act thrilled about the investigation - saying FINALLY we can study the magnitude of efforts to keep people from voting. Or, "Great, it's been a mystery how Hillary could have been ahead in the polls and still lost certain states."
blm
(113,091 posts).
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)He gets butt-hurt and reacts, like a three year old.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)figure someone else pulling the strings.
I think we should show outrage that he is signing all these exec orders when he shouldn't know enough to mandate anything at this point without studying the subject. why doesn't the press ask that? Would love to see a reporter ask " Trump wants us out of TPP, isn't that rash and irresponsible without having the time to know all the details?"
Gothmog
(145,554 posts)The bush DOJ looked for voter fraud and could not find any http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/washington/12fraud.html
Although Republican activists have repeatedly said fraud is so widespread that it has corrupted the political process and, possibly, cost the party election victories, about 120 people have been charged and 86 convicted as of last year....
A federal panel, the Election Assistance Commission, reported last year that the pervasiveness of fraud was debatable. That conclusion played down findings of the consultants who said there was little evidence of it across the country, according to a review of the original report by The New York Times that was reported on Wednesday.
Mistakes and lapses in enforcing voting and registration rules routinely occur in elections, allowing thousands of ineligible voters to go to the polls. But the federal cases provide little evidence of widespread, organized fraud, prosecutors and election law experts said.
There was nothing that we uncovered that suggested some sort of concerted effort to tilt the election, Richard G. Frohling, an assistant United States attorney in Milwaukee, said.
Richard L. Hasen, an expert in election law at the Loyola Law School, agreed, saying: If they found a single case of a conspiracy to affect the outcome of a Congressional election or a statewide election, that would be significant. But what we see is isolated, small-scale activities that often have not shown any kind of criminal intent.
If Rove and Von Spansky could not find voter fraud, then trump will also be unsuccessful.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Gothmog
(145,554 posts)I know the facts and the research and have read most of the briefs and pleading in the various lawsuit. If there was widespread voter fraud, then those facts would have been used in the Texas voter id and the NC voter suppression litigation. The Texas AG and the NC GOP looked long and hard for examples of voter fraud and could not find any that would be prevented by voter id laws. Again, if such evidence existed, it would have been used in the litigation.
JHan
(10,173 posts)They will use this "investigation" as justification for more voter suppression and to invalidate elections.
Trump's nature is authoritarian. The WH won't curb his impulses, only amplify them. So we can expect, with GOP help since they hate the idea of enfranchisement for all, that they will work towards making voting harder using the flimsiest of evidence from any "investigation" - and Sessions will feature in these efforts.
The GOP are now masters of rigging the vote, and they'll do more of it by lying, and pushing false narratives.
In related news: Where all my "HRC is the same as Trump" , "Dems are the same as Repugs" peeps at? Sigh.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)WE can push back on that. I have no doubt looking at the numbers...that the election was stolen by the GOP.
meow2u3
(24,772 posts)"Voter fraud" is a loud, racist dog whistle for a massive minority turnout at the polls. Nothing more, nothing less.
"X number of voters voting illegally" = dog whistle for Democrats turning out to vote, especially Democratic women who voted for HRC.
In other words, he's just butthurt that not enough Democratic voters were illegally disenfranchised. For that reason, he's plotting revenge by possibly illegally disenfranchising ALL Democrats.