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I will go to my grave believing we won Wisconsin, and I mean all the way down the ticket. These Rs cheat legally and illegally. They tossed absentee ballots that didn't have complete return addresses on them, whereas the Rs sent their voters pre-printed envelopes. On and on....
Wisconsin Dems claim county websites hacked
Wisconsin News
Jan 24, 2017
The Associated Press
GREEN BAY, Wis. (AP) Democratic leaders in northeastern Wisconsin say several of their county websites have been hacked.
Mary Ginnebaugh, chairwoman of the 8th Congressional District and Brown County parties, told USA Today-Network Wisconsin on Monday the Winnebago County party first noticed a problem with their website in November after the election. A consultant discovered party sites for Winnebago, Marinette, Shawano, Oconto, Kewaunee, Calumet, Brown and the 8th Congressional District all were hacked.
The intruders caused no damage, she said. The two new administrator names had suffixes that indicated a Russian origin, she said.
Ginnebaugh said she doesnt know if Russians were involved but the breaches have been reported to the FBI. A spokesman for the FBIs Milwaukee office didnt immediately respond to an email from The Associated Press on Tuesday.
triron
(22,020 posts)Election was stolen!
Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)Dr. Strange
(25,923 posts)50 Shades Of Blue
(10,043 posts)LisaM
(27,830 posts)I'm going to guess it was hacked by 2 to 3 millions, then.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)manicraven
(901 posts)HipChick
(25,485 posts)triron
(22,020 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,342 posts)tenorly
(2,037 posts)Not that GOPee congresscritters will ever allow anything to be done about it.
Putin could release all the vote hacking evidence himself just for shits and giggles, and they still wouldn't so much as hold a hearing.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)pursue this in your Walker Controlled Court System? Walker and his friends will shut down every move one makes. This is what happens when people do not get involved,you end up being Servants to the Koch Brothers alternative reality world.
jodymarie aimee
(3,975 posts)We collected 1.9 Million Recall signatures(this includes his shitty Lt. Gov) and he still won? I don't think so. First time Kloppenburg ran for judge in 11, she lost by 7 thousand votes that were found in an R's car trunk. That Koch Fuck has stolen our state... they picked a great petri dish here...we are the home of McCarthy.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)We helped with the signature gathering the first go around. Something smelled to high hell when we talked to the Connected Ones in Polk and Barron Counties.
BadgerMom
(2,771 posts)because my daughter moved from UC Berkeley where she'd earned her Master's degree to UW Madison to work with her mentor on her Ph.D. She arrived in 2011 and I urged her to register and vote. She did. I donated. It seemed as though everyone she knew in Dane County voted. I was shocked--and disheartened--that Gov. Walker survived.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)was so disappointed with the outcome. We traveled two thousand miles to volunteer with petition signature drive. This is what Democracy is all about.
TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)Greybnk48
(10,176 posts)We've gotten steam-rolled by the Koch machine here to see if it could work nationally. We were a dry run. Could it work nationally? The answer is YES, it did.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)work. Had the feeling they were the Petri Dish for something to come. Guess I am to damn suspicious. Know the local Players and their personal agendas.
dubyadiprecession
(5,722 posts)Who in their right mind would vote against their own interests in those states and vote for Don the Con.
It's like putting a gun to your head and pulling the trigger to get rid of a headache!
triron
(22,020 posts)LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)TrekLuver
(2,573 posts)drm604
(16,230 posts)So they hacked into the servers and created their own administrator accounts so that they could have full access to, and control of, the server. That makes sense (from their viewpoint).
But you'd think that they'd delete those accounts when they finished. And you'd think that they would use generic names such as "admin1" and "admin2" rather than obvious Russian names.
I'm wondering if they wanted to be discovered. No doubt one of Putin's goals is to cause dissent by making us doubt our own election results. What better way to do that than to leave obvious hacking footprints?
susanna
(5,231 posts)by Malcolm Nance. It was written before the election and explores the Russian hack of the DNC last year. One part of the book he says that though the hackers could have been more stealthy, they left a bit of a mess - almost, he said, like a "screw you." He compared it to trashing someone's house during a robbery when it isn't necessary. They wanted people to know they'd done it.
The OP is interesting based on that alone.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,564 posts)I can't think of a good reason why (ostensibly) Russian hackers would want people to know. The only thing I can think of is a bit far-fetched, IMO.
They knew or strongly believed that there would be no far-reaching response from US officials in time to undo the mayhem they caused to the electoral process....but after the election, the possible fallout might be pure gold. Leaving many politicians, pundits, agencies and many others in uncharted waters with a PR nightmare on their hands.
susanna
(5,231 posts)This was an interesting quote in the section on the hack: "as one expert observed, it [leaving a bit of a trail] was a 'big cyber F-you.'"
Later on in the book the author points out how absolutely furious VP was with HRC; both for her actions policy-wise as SecState, and in her campaign speeches. The author also surmised that she would be VP's worst nightmare - especially vis a vis NATO - if she won the presidency.
It's a fascinating book. Some I take with a grain of salt, but it certainly builds an interesting case for much that happened during this past election.
drm604
(16,230 posts)Making it look like the Russians subverted the results (whether they really did or not) helps to achieve that goal.
susanna
(5,231 posts)I'm only halfway through, but it's riveting.
triron
(22,020 posts)GregD
(2,263 posts)I host the Dem site for the county where I live. I have a small application that I configured into that site in order to detect and obstruct SQL Injection attacks. I am alerted when attacks are blocked. I had significant activity against my site in the time around the election, but mercifully, my shields survived the attack.
JudyM
(29,273 posts)GregD
(2,263 posts)And frankly, there were so very many that I deleted them. My Outlook file is bulging and I had to get rid of unneeded stuff.
hamsterjill
(15,223 posts)I've said many times on DU in the past several weeks that my gut tells me so. Something just wasn't right on Election Day/Night.
Little tidbits keep coming out. I am so hoping that there is someone out there smart enough to put it all together and bring Trump and his accomplices down!
susanna
(5,231 posts)Something just did not add up. Lots of things, actually. The shock everyone felt was real...disbelief for everyone.
TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)the constitution contains no provisions to deal with fraudulent elections, especially if the proof is discovered after the electoral vote.
hamsterjill
(15,223 posts)But there would be civil war if necessary. If it becomes clearly understood that this election was not legitimate (and I think there are a lot of assets and effort being expended in that direction), then there is no way Trump or Pence would ever be seen as legitimate and would at a minimum be impeached. I know that would only get us Ryan. But hey, two down, more to go.
sweetapogee
(1,168 posts)At what point does civil war become necessary?
Just curious that's all.
hamsterjill
(15,223 posts)It's not like it hasn't happened before.
manicraven
(901 posts)It was stolen and tRump is illegitimate.
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susanna
(5,231 posts)Last edited Wed Jan 25, 2017, 01:31 AM - Edit history (2)
My husband laughs at me because I sit there election night with a spreadsheet (and usually DU) with the TV in the background as things come in. I can do a lot of quick calculations based on trends, but often my gut knows first based on many years of experience. Much like you say - I get the patterns quickly. I used to do metrics and stats for a large multinational. It's almost like a puzzle and I enjoy it.
I remember when it dawned on me that she was going to lose by the razor-thinnest of margins electorally.* I didn't bother re-doing my numbers; I just knew it. And I thought how convenient it was that he just squeaked by her in just the right combination of states.
I am still convinced something went on, though I can never know what or where. I will never truly accept this election as completely valid, as you say, for much the same reason.
* on edit: her margin electorally was not razor-thin, but the number of votes that allowed his 302 electoral count - ~80,000 votes, IIRC - was beyond belief, and spread across multiple states. So I misstated in my original thinking. But this is what I meant.
uponit7771
(90,363 posts)BadgerMom
(2,771 posts)I simply may be uninformed, but I've never heard a solid explanation of how every single national presidential poll was wrong. And, not just a bit off or within the margin of error. Polling was massively wrong! I remember thinking on Election night that Rove was laughed at 4 years earlier on FOX when he couldn't believe Ohio had gone to Obama. We all thought he had believed the wrong poll. I thought up till 11/9 that polling was based on science--mathematics and statistics as well as past performance. That's why I felt that night as though something really big had just occurred. I think what Comey did was odious and impacted the election, sure. I think the additional party candidates did, too. And people looked at HRC's poll numbers and incorrectly thought they could stay home. But I'll never believe that was all. From what I understand some tampering leaves no trace. It's why the California Secretary of State has outlawed a lot of election technology. (Thank you!) This election was illegitimate.
mythology
(9,527 posts)The national polls were more accurate than in 2012.
http://www.inquisitr.com/3710700/2016-presidential-polls-trump-vs-clinton-polls-were-right-polling-more-accurate-than-2012-election/
Just before election day, the polls showed Clinton up by 3 to 4 points. She won the popular vote by about 2%.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/national-polls/
BadgerMom
(2,771 posts)The Republicans are more than dishonest cheaters. That is not a serious enough charge. I believe that as a party they are stealing our democracy and we as Democrats are always being shushed and told to calm down. In South Dakota they have declared a state of emergency in order to ignore ethics rules the voters put in place. In North Carolina they are attempting to kneecap the Democratic governor by diminishing the power of the executive branch in the state. Gerrymandering has been treated as though it's something that we must put up with, that we've always lived with. Why hasn't the ACLU gone after Michigan for allowing the governor to place his cronies in "failing" cities and usurping the positions of fairly elected locals? The 2000 Presidential election was stolen by the Supreme Court. Why won't we rise up?
I ask the question knowing the answer. It's money. And the Democrats are beholden to the billionaires, too. I believe campaign financing is at the root of our loss of democracy.
manicraven
(901 posts)frustrated with the lack of action by the Democratic party. I believe it does come down to money, and Bernie is absolutely right about that.
The GOP is nothing but a criminal group. It always amazes me how little they care about the majority of the citizens; it's like they've got no heart whatsoever. Greed and power is all they care about or trying to change the USA into a theocracy.
JudyM
(29,273 posts)When we had the presidency and both houses of congress why did we do NOTHING about this? Because of $, just as you said. And the gerrymandering was far from unknown. I would really like to "have a few words" with Harry Reid.
flying_wahini
(6,646 posts)The gazillion dollar question is how the hell do you fight it?
BadgerMom
(2,771 posts)It has to come when we've gained power. It would be likelier to happen if a lot of candidates who rejected PAC dollars won. Of course, if we had a Presidential candidate who made campaign finance reform part of the platform and rode in on a wave, that would make it possible. The problem is that people who have won and used the corrupt system seem unwilling to walk away from the money teat. And, for example, in 2012 when Obama decided to use the system in place, I couldn't squawk. His win was too important to hamstring his campaign. I think Dems in the trenches need to make it a priority and apply pressure upward.
blm
(113,087 posts).
No way North Carolinians elected a Democratic Governor, Lt. Governor & SC Justice but then Trump for "President".
KatyBR
(183 posts)And purged a ton of names, despite repeated evidence of its racist slant:
https://www.facingsouth.org/2016/09/controversial-anti-voter-fraud-program-risks-disenfranchising-voters-through-racial-bias
"Meanwhile, some states including Florida dropped out of the program due to doubts about the reliability of its data though others, including the swing state of North Carolina, joined despite those issues."
But cross check never caught Steve Bannon who is registered in both New York and Florida:
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/316120-bannon-registered-to-vote-in-two-states-report
blm
(113,087 posts).
malaise
(269,157 posts)Wisconsin provided lots of help for the theft -notice Walker is now crawling out of the hole.
Can't wait for his arrest
elmac
(4,642 posts)per their president Putins instructions.
rolypolychloe
(56 posts)Nothing else makes sense. I started to have a bad feeling when the Comey situation started. Between the director and leaking subordinates, it became clear the FBI had chosen sides. Government bureaucrats are all about CYA, and for Comey to behave like he did, someone must have the goods on him, maybe the Russians, maybe the Republicans. It was the FBI that declared that the Democratic servers were hacked. Was it the Russians or did the FBI install the software that would both grab the emails and implicate the Russians? Reportedly, the FBI then went to almost every state to check for hacked voting systems. I am very interested in how exactly they did that. If they were thorough, they would have had to yank the EPROM from each machine and compare it with a clean reference EPROM. If the FBI didn't do that, then they can't claim that there is no evidence of hacking because they never even looked. If they did look at the chips, given that the FBI had picked sides, could they not have put in their own compromised chip? Then weird polls starting showing the results were close, which is how you know the fix is in. The results have to indicate a win greater that the recount %, but not be horribly far from the polls. My feeling is that because of Comey, the FBI is no longer entitled to a presumption of innocence and they should be excluded from participating in any investigation. The FBI definitely shouldn't have been sent to investigate the voting machines.
So Trump wins and we do a recount in 3 states, sort of. In Wisconsin, there was a hand recount of the ballots except in the districts where they didn't want to, presumably because it wouldn't go well. The republicans fought tooth and nail with the other 2 states, no doubt knowing a proper recount would not go well for them. Requests to examine the chips were refused, and one state had screwy laws that if the count on the ballot box, didn't match what was in the box, you had to go with what was on the box. Same as if the ballot box was tampered with, so the poll workers made a point of tampering with the ballot boxes. Basically, the recount provided zero confidence that the election was honest.
Having said all that, I think the low tech methods are what swung the election. Voter suppression being the top of the list. Absentee ballots with minority names not sent or tossed if mailed. People of color being sent to the wrong voting machines, or getting red pens for their optical ballots which cannot be read by the reader. Dishonest election workers. What people don't seem to understand is if votes and be screwed up by accident, they can also be screwed up on purpose. We need voting systems where even if an election worker sees your skin color, hears your voice, or sees your name and knows you are not in their preferred party, they are unable to trash or misdirect your vote.
ananda
(28,876 posts)What do they think the FBI, an arm of Trumputin,
will do?
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Someone may be fucking with someone here. Question is, who?
Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)HondoOhnaka
(1 post)This election was stolen. That is all....
http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/news/2017/01/23/russians-suspected-hacking-local-dems/96965824/
Botany
(70,578 posts)<While no one can prove beyond doubt that Russians also were involved in the local hack job, two hackers left
calling cards with Russian email addresses on the local websites in an apparent gesture of contempt or
braggadocio, Ginnebaugh said. Green Bay police were notified and have forwarded information to the FBI,
she said.>
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)NCjack
(10,279 posts)milestogo
(16,829 posts)Assholes.
BainsBane
(53,056 posts)Wisconsin was a crucial state in the election.
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)It is just too much. We are being invaded. It is WAR!!!
mythology
(9,527 posts)The State Journal review found more than 55 percent of the ballots were recounted by hand. The error rate was 0.44 percent in wards that conducted the recount by hand and 0.30 percent in wards that recounted by machine.
The difference in error rate between wards that Trump and Clinton won was negligible 0.38 percent versus 0.37 percent.
There is no evidence to support a claim that the Wisconsin vote was changed. None. What you really really really want to believe doesn't change the math.
jodymarie aimee
(3,975 posts)The crooked counties refused hand count. Psst....the Gannett media you cite is in Walker's pocket.
joanbarnes
(1,723 posts)blue-wave
(4,362 posts)Let's see, there was Gore in 2000, Kerry in 2004 and now Clinton in 2016. Aren't the dems tired of this yet? When will they begin to fight back!!!
coco22
(1,258 posts)all of those people voted for Paul Ryan or Scott Walker.