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(52,317 posts)
Tue Jan 24, 2017, 12:28 PM Jan 2017

we can't fall into the trap of acting as if donnie is an anomoly. he's not.

there's virtually nothing novel about donnie's policies and rhetoric other than the fact that he's more obvious.

republicans have long been racist, sexist, xenophobic, etc. donnie's anti-choice, anti-obamacare, pro-tax cuts for the rich, pro-big business, etc., just as republicans have been for ages.

the protectionism is pretty much the only point where he diverges from republican orthodoxy, but republicans have never been above taking an opportunistic stance.


even the "alternative facts" thing -- remember karl rove? the shrub administration pulled the same crap, just not to the same extent. and of course, foxnews has been all about "alternative facts" since inception.


https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Karl_Rove

- The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore." He continued "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors … and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."

-- Suskind, Ron (2004-10-17). Faith, Certainty and the Presidency of George W. Bush. The New York Times Magazine.
--- Danner, Mark (2007). "Words in a Time of War: On Rhetoric, Truth and Power". in András Szántó. What Orwell Didn't Know: Propaganda and the New Face of American Politics (First edition ed.). Philadelphia, PA: PublicAffairs Reports. pp. 17. "... the unnamed official speaking to Suskind is widely known to be none other than the self-same architect of the aircraft-carrier moment, Karl Rove ..."


- All politicians operate within an Orwellian nimbus where words don't mean what they normally mean, but Rovism posits that there is no objective, verifiable reality at all. Reality is what you say it is, ...
-- Neal Gabler, Los Angeles Times; October 25, 2004 [4]





if we cannot create an environment where republicans can dump donnie and proceed merrily without paying a heavy, heavy price.

he's their disaster, and we have to constantly tie him to them.

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we can't fall into the trap of acting as if donnie is an anomoly. he's not. (Original Post) unblock Jan 2017 OP
Exactly. Nothing is new. They've been chomping at the bit for 8 underpants Jan 2017 #1
Remember what bush said was his only regret? louis-t Jan 2017 #2
K&R uppityperson Jan 2017 #3
Trump is the orange foam on the crest... Wounded Bear Jan 2017 #4
Agreed, and I have long said this has to work itself out of the body politic before Nay Jan 2017 #5

underpants

(182,877 posts)
1. Exactly. Nothing is new. They've been chomping at the bit for 8
Tue Jan 24, 2017, 12:33 PM
Jan 2017

Years

This was why all the obstruction. They knew if they rigged the election (suppression) and got back in the WH they could overturn almost everything instantly. We were so close to real change and they were so close with W to getting everything they wanted.

louis-t

(23,297 posts)
2. Remember what bush said was his only regret?
Tue Jan 24, 2017, 12:52 PM
Jan 2017

Not "I wish I had listened to terrorism experts and tried to prevent 9/11" or "I wish I hadn't killed half a million people while invading the wrong country", but "I wish I could have privatized Social Security".

Wounded Bear

(58,706 posts)
4. Trump is the orange foam on the crest...
Tue Jan 24, 2017, 01:08 PM
Jan 2017

of the fascist wave that has been rising since Reagan and before.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
5. Agreed, and I have long said this has to work itself out of the body politic before
Tue Jan 24, 2017, 03:37 PM
Jan 2017

we can EVER have much progress. It's been festering and festering for all these years, fed by Fox and Rush and others, until it has poisoned enough minds to win the 3 branches of government. Now we can only hope that:

---the damage is not catastrophic;
---the damage is visible, personal, and revolting to the people who voted for this idiot;
---and we somehow manage to skate through climate change somewhat intact.

I'm not optimistic.

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