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marmar

(77,081 posts)
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 05:11 PM Jun 2012

Boeing's 747-400, a Faded Queen of the Skies





(BloombergBusinessweek) Back in the late ’80s, global airlines scrambled to place orders for Boeing’s (BA) 747-400 widebody, then the industry’s most coveted aircraft for its sheer size, high-tech cockpit, and creature comforts. Now, ten-year-old passenger 747-400s are worth a record-low $36 million, about 10 percent less than similarly aged planes last year, according to London-based aviation consultancy Ascend, as carriers seek more fuel-efficient models. There’s even little interest in converting the passenger jets into air freighters because of a slump in air cargo demand.

Some 48 of the humpbacked passenger 747-400s worldwide have also been placed in storage, according to Ascend. The onetime “Queen of the Skies” has been shunned in favor of Boeing’s smaller 777 widebody (which has two fewer engines sucking fuel) or Airbus’s mammoth A380 double-decker. “There’s not a lot of demand for the 747,” says Paul Sheridan, Ascend’s head of consultancy Asia. “They’re mostly being broken up for parts.”

The decline in prices contributed to Singapore Airlines (SIA2) having a surprise loss in the quarter ended March after the sale of the carrier’s last 747-400 brought in less than it expected. Japan Airlines has stopped using the planes, and operators including Cathay Pacific Airways, Korean Air Lines, and Malaysian Airline System (MAS) are following suit to help counter jet fuel prices that have jumped about 30 percent in two years. “When oil prices are high,” explains Cathay Pacific Chief Executive Officer John Slosar, “the last thing you want to do is hold on to your older planes.”

The Hong Kong-based airline said last month that it’s speeding up the retirement of its 21 passenger 747-400s. The carrier will shed nine through early 2014 as it adds more 777-300ERs for long-haul flights. Cathay is also retiring three 400-series freighters this year due to the arrival of new 747-8 cargo planes that are slightly larger and more fuel-efficient. ................(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-06-21/boeings-747-400-a-faded-queen-of-the-skies



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Boeing's 747-400, a Faded Queen of the Skies (Original Post) marmar Jun 2012 OP
Maybe I shouldn't say this TlalocW Jun 2012 #1
Got the reference. Woody Woodpecker Jun 2012 #4
Still one of the most graceful plane in the sky liberal N proud Jun 2012 #2
The A350's, the A380's , the Boeing Triple 7's, the new Dreamliner, and the 747-8 Woody Woodpecker Jun 2012 #3
Those of us... Capt.Rocky300 Jun 2012 #6
Fuel hog? Confusious Jun 2012 #19
True, but that's almost the same as boasting Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #17
Its still my favorite plane. DCBob Jun 2012 #5
Same here... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2012 #11
in 4/03 i took a return flight from denmark. the amsterdam to NYC on one. pansypoo53219 Jun 2012 #21
I remember when I was a lad, there was a travel agency.... Bad_Ronald Jun 2012 #7
We need to find a better way to travel cheaply and quickly... Taverner Jun 2012 #8
Transporters are still a dream. RC Jun 2012 #9
Yes. SeaTrains. Taverner Jun 2012 #22
I heard about a company that was testing Futurama-style vacuum tubes the other day. Initech Jun 2012 #18
The first 747s went into service in 1970. FarCenter Jun 2012 #10
Even in its heyday the 747 needed to carry belly cargo to be economical Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2012 #12
That one engineering aspect is what gave the 747 classics a long life to begin with Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #14
Field Guide To Aircraft Boneyards FarCenter Jun 2012 #13
I don't get the writer's point... Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #15
Hardly anyone has ordered the 747-8. Lufthansa is pretty much the only major airline..... marmar Jun 2012 #16
Right...I was getting it mixed up with the 747-8 freighter Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #20
How about simply moderizing the engines? krispos42 Jun 2012 #23
it's still not going to help you escape the C/D check Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #24
Represents American Industry and Ingenuity. cbrer Jun 2012 #25
The 747-8 is beautiful, but it seems to be a commercial flop so far. marmar Jun 2012 #26
Lots of competition cbrer Jun 2012 #27

TlalocW

(15,383 posts)
1. Maybe I shouldn't say this
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 05:18 PM
Jun 2012

But when I saw Faded Queen, I thought of Nathan Lane's character in, "The Birdcage."

TlalocW

liberal N proud

(60,335 posts)
2. Still one of the most graceful plane in the sky
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 05:23 PM
Jun 2012

Love to watch them coming for landing, there is always a point where they look like they are standing still.

Not a bad plan to fly on either.

 

Woody Woodpecker

(562 posts)
3. The A350's, the A380's , the Boeing Triple 7's, the new Dreamliner, and the 747-8
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 05:35 PM
Jun 2012

are a major upgrade from the huge hog they call the 744.

Capt.Rocky300

(1,005 posts)
6. Those of us...
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 05:44 PM
Jun 2012

in the industry prefer to call it "The Whale" and "The 400". Don't know where you got the hog and 744 from. I've never heard either of those terms applied to it.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
17. True, but that's almost the same as boasting
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 07:16 PM
Jun 2012

how much better my 2010 Corvette is over my modified 1991...

pansypoo53219

(20,978 posts)
21. in 4/03 i took a return flight from denmark. the amsterdam to NYC on one.
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 09:57 PM
Jun 2012

window seat, just in front of the engine. man it was not quiet.

 

Bad_Ronald

(265 posts)
7. I remember when I was a lad, there was a travel agency....
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 05:45 PM
Jun 2012

...in my neighborhood that had an ultra-detailed & realistic 747 model in their window. I used to marvel at it each time I passed their window. The 747 was/is a truly remarkable & beautiful aircraft, not to mention being an incredibly innovative feat of engineering that changed the way people traveled. It'll be sad when they're no longer gracing our skies.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
9. Transporters are still a dream.
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 05:59 PM
Jun 2012

Got any ideas on how to get to Hawaii, or Europe or Asia as quickly as flying in pressurized tubes?

Initech

(100,079 posts)
18. I heard about a company that was testing Futurama-style vacuum tubes the other day.
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 07:18 PM
Jun 2012

Although you're still traveling in a pressurized tube...

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
10. The first 747s went into service in 1970.
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 06:17 PM
Jun 2012

The bubble on the top was a first class lounge accessed via the spiral stairway.

In economy they had another lounge with a bar service.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
12. Even in its heyday the 747 needed to carry belly cargo to be economical
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 06:53 PM
Jun 2012

With less passenger and cargo demand the number of routes it is practical on drops off dramatically. Although it will probably bounce back as oil prices fall.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
14. That one engineering aspect is what gave the 747 classics a long life to begin with
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 07:03 PM
Jun 2012

At the time, the designers thought the future of travel was going to all be supersonic, so they wanted to make sure the 747-100 had a useful "second" service life as a freighter...

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
15. I don't get the writer's point...
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 07:11 PM
Jun 2012

He's shocked that airliners are retiring fifteen-plus-year-old 744's with long service lives before their major C/D checks?? Most of them have the 747-8 already on order, anyway...

marmar

(77,081 posts)
16. Hardly anyone has ordered the 747-8. Lufthansa is pretty much the only major airline.....
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 07:15 PM
Jun 2012

..... that's ordered the passenger version.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
20. Right...I was getting it mixed up with the 747-8 freighter
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 07:54 PM
Jun 2012

Although I did see that Turkish may decide to order soon...

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
23. How about simply moderizing the engines?
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 11:30 PM
Jun 2012

Seems a waste to scrap a plane when you can update the engines with the latest from Pratt&Whitney, GE, or Rolls-Royce.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
24. it's still not going to help you escape the C/D check
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 09:28 AM
Jun 2012

which is too expensive, and keeps the aircraft out of revenue service for a long while...

Airlines just don't want to take that financial hit, especially if they can get a sweet deal on something newer from Boeing...

 

cbrer

(1,831 posts)
25. Represents American Industry and Ingenuity.
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 09:32 AM
Jun 2012

And the airline Lufthansa is just beginning to put their new fleet of 747s in service. What a beautiful plane.

Boeing also has one of the largest manufacturing facilities in the world.

 

cbrer

(1,831 posts)
27. Lots of competition
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 09:44 AM
Jun 2012

And aerodynamic improvements, even among Boeing products. Not to mention newer, lighter airframes, and shrunken avionics packages. Hell, even fiber optics have saved at least a few hundred pounds.

I just flew coach on a triple 7 from Dulles to Dubai, and it was more comfortable than a 747-400. And pretty quiet.

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