If you claim to be a feminist and you exclude the female candidate for president

[nini]

you are a hypocrite. Pure and simple.

This isn't a Hillary appreciation rally though it was inspired by her candidacy. You don't have to like her to accept that.

The fact this is even something to fight over makes me ill. If you can't find the common ground with those who don't agree with you on every single issue - you're not off to a good start.

On edit.. ok, She wasn't the 'first' but is the first of a major party and was just last year.. Not to mention she wont the popular vote like she did.

[uppityperson]

1. Are you saying that in order to be a feminist, you must support every woman in everything?

That is what is seems like, I'd like clarification please. Thank you.

[nini]

5. Of courser not....that's not what I said

I am saying you're not going to agree with everyone on everything. I don't but that doesn't mean I exclude those I agree with on most things though there may be some I don't.

The fact is this whole rally idea was created because women were motivated by her female candidacy and to not even list her as someone who motivates women. Feminists are supposed to support woman achievements, strength etc.. I don't see this happening.

[uppityperson]

17. Cha explained downthread. I didn't know what this was about and excluding her is very wrong

[loyalsister]

8. Some would argue that Sara Palin was an accomplished woman who "paved the way" for tea party women

A republican suggested that we should celebrate Kellyanne Conway because she is the first woman to run a successful campaign.
Then we would go down the road of celebrating every single woman who has been successful in politics.
The list of honorees includes many obscure women who worked in the trenches.

[joshcryer]

14. Nobody is asking for their name to be added to an honorary list.

Now please tell me how painful it would be to throw Clinton's name on there. Give me an exhaustive list of reasons why it shouldn't be done even though people are upset about it.

God. Such a trivial thing. Fighting over something so simple.

[loyalsister]

18. I don't care if it is or not

I'm just saying there might be good reasons for her not to be listed among honorees.

[joshcryer]

20. All reasons are irrelevant as soon as people say they are upset about it.

Whether or not you agree with them being upset about it.

[loyalsister]

21. People don't even know if whe wanted to be included

I just don't understand why it's so impossible to believe that there may be good reasons that she isn't listed.

[joshcryer]

34. It doesn't matter. It's trivial.

Add to the list. Go "oh shit, we didn't want to assume anything, sorry, you're right, we were insensitive."

Nope. Ain't happening. All this justification. All this bullshit outrage culture garbage.

[Merlot]

29. Maybe it's not a trivial thing to those who made the list

It seems simple to demand that someone else change their criteria for whose on their list.

[joshcryer]

35. There's no logical or rational reason to not throw her on the list.

When people say they're upset about her not being on it.

Really. There's no logical, rational, human reason that you can make that makes sense, is compassionate, is logical and reasoned. None. People already tried to make the argument that "losers" shouldn't be on the list. Really. It's pathetic. That's why we lose

If it's nontrivial to simply add the popular vote winner to the list, whose supporters are hurt she's not on it, then those people have serious issues.

[Merlot]

45. Maybe there is no logical reason to put her on the list.

It was their list, they had their reasons.

Some of us are suffering from Hillary fatigue.

[pnwmom]

60. No, obviously. But anyone who claimed to be a feminist and didn't vote for

Hillary, the only progressive and feminist who had a chance to beat the Pig, is a hypocrite or worse.

[Warpy]

2. Victoria Woodhull?

She died in 1927.

[nini]

6. Of a major party

but yes, that is correct. And I fixed it.

Is she on the list? she should be.

[Cha]

9. Hillary is the first Female Candidate for President of a major Party.

[Merlot]

30. Yes, we know. Every one knows.

We were reminded about it constantly during the campaign.

Some of us would have preferred to not focus on it so much. Maybe making it into such a big deal proves how far we haven't come.

[Cha]

33. I was talking to Warpy who didn't get the distinction, obviously.

[boston bean]

38. People so upset for it being memtioned.

[Cha]

40. I've noticed.. like how dare we want Hillary's name listed

on the Honorees of Women paving the way for Women's Rights.

[Cha]

41. P.S.

[Barack_America]

3. Does she want to be included in this protest?

[nini]

10. Does that matter?

And do you think the people doing this give two shits what she wants?

[Cha]

7. Hillary Clinton's Name Was Omitted From the Women's March Honoree List and People Are Angry

snip//

On Thursday, January 19, the movement released a document about its guiding vision and definition of principles, which included the names of 27 women who have "paved the way" for equal rights. Clinton, who was the first-ever female presidential nominee for a major political party, was not among them — and people took notice.

snip//

A petition on Change.org was created in light of the omission. "As activists and allies, we are dismayed that March organizers excluded Hillary Rodham Clinton as an honoree who has inspired women around the world to serve and to lead," the request reads.

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/hillary-clintons-name-left-off-womens-march-honoree-list-w462125

They're trying to marginalize Hillary because we're angry she was left off the Honorees list. By any means it wasn't a complete list.. they left off Susan B Anthony for one other important Woman.. they need to go back to the drawing board.

If they can't find the common decency to add Hillary's name to the list then they have a big bitter problem.

Thanks nini

[nini]

12. I prefer to support women who have worked to improve things for us

Not shut the door on 'em.

We have so many wonderful women to honor and should. Leaving off the most recent candidate for the party we're all supposed to be supporting here is ridiculous.

[Cha]

23. Exactly, nini! Let's Honor Hillary and all the others like Susan B

Anthony and Michelle Obama who were left off the list..



BeyondGeographyhttp://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8503361

[uppityperson]

15. Thank you for explaining what this is about. That is very wrong.

I've been offline most of today, trying to catch up a bit

[Cha]

24. You're Welcome, uppity

[arthritisR_US]

16. Watch out luv, my post was deleted for the very same sentiments.

[Cha]

25. I'm sorry that happened to you, arthritisR..

I hope you appeal

[LisaM]

27. The list should be huge.

Limiting it to 27 women was ridiculous on its face. And no, Kellyanne Conway and Sarah Palin who didn't support progressive issues at all should not be included. Geeze, I would include Abigail Adams and Rosa Parks and Sacagawea and Kay Boyle and Florence Nightingale and Jane Addams and Geraldine Ferraro. Why did they even make such a puny list?

[Cha]

32. Exactly, LisaM.. Mahlao! "puny list" indeed. Don't be a

Grinch.. expand your horizons.

[arthritisR_US]

44. You missed the point entirely.

[arthritisR_US]

11. Thank you! I said the same and my post was deleted, so much for

fairness.

[nini]

13. well.. maybe this will be too

[arthritisR_US]

19. I hope not, pointing out hypocrisy should be valued.

[Maru Kitteh]

22. A lot of people are exceptionally angry and some are expressing it in really stupid ways

History will not concern itself with whatever petty little squabbles have erupted these last couple of days.

It will feature Hillary, her history of feminism, and the amazing march on Washington as a re-awakening of women in this century.

[chillfactor]

26. good god would you people give it UP ALREADY!

I have always supported Hillary...but you people are really getting on my nerves and on may other people's nerves as well. This march is NOT about Hillary. It is about protecting the rights of ALL people...not just women.

[emulatorloo]

28. I'd like DU's self-appointed Thought Police to give it up already.

There are legit reasons to be annoyed at that butthurt organizer who is still bitter over primary 2016.

My big beef is they use a famous HRC quote as their guiding principle but don't say she said it. They don't credit the quote.

Seriously, wtf?

At best it is plagiarism, at worst it is a petty way to erase her service. trump-style.

Apparently that butthurt woman needs to take one last shit on HRC.

So yeah, people are pissed and are gonna call her out.

That being said, Everybody's gonna go to the march and stand together against Trump. That woman's bullshit won't stop anybody, this event is too big.

[Starry Messenger]

31. +1

[joshcryer]

36. This is what happens when all it takes is to set up a webpage to run a "movement."

It goes viral, suddenly you are the spokesperson for an entire movement. And instead of being considerate, kind, and open, you just say fuck you to any criticism. It's cronyism to the core.

The women leaving comments on the WomensMarchOnWash page are extremely kind, considerate, and overall non-hostile in their request to include Clinton on the list of honorees.

But people still reply with hateful attitudes.

I think that by and large the event is going to be big, but I fear that there will be enough incidents of clashes between people who support Hillary too loudly and people who want it to just "be about women" that it will become the news as opposed to the size and solidarity of the march.

We'll see what happens. I hope I'm wrong and the shit stirrers don't actually get media coverage.

[Skittles]

39. excellent assessment

[Cha]

43. "My big beef is they use a famous HRC quote as their guiding principle but don't say she said it...

They don't credit the quote."

Wow.. that's some weird shite.. one should always credit a quote unless it's anonymous.

"That being said, Everybody's gonna go to the march and stand together against Trump. That woman's bullshit won't stop anybody, this event is too big."

That's right.. she hoisted herself. Everyone will move on and March with Kindred Spirits.



Mahalo emulatorloo~

[nini]

37. Ignore is your friend

Feel free to use it if this annoys you. Life is too short.

[Cha]

42. "you people"? Not one of us have said or intimated "it's all about Hillary"

you're projecting.

We do think her name should be on the Honoree list for Women paving the way for Women's Rights.

I really don't care that we're getting on your nerves.. we have a right to discuss this and you have an option to trash these OPs/posts instead of jumping on and telling us what to do.

Hillary's name missing from the Honoree's is a glaring omission along with Michelle Obama's and a lot of other Women who have paved the way.

The list as someone said "was puny".. they need to go back to the drawing board.

Hillary Clinton's Name Was Omitted From the Women's March Honoree List and People Are Angry

snip//

On Thursday, January 19, the movement released a document about its guiding vision and definition of principles, which included the names of 27 women who have "paved the way" for equal rights. Clinton, who was the first-ever female presidential nominee for a major political party, was not among them — and people took notice.

snip//

A petition on Change.org was created in light of the omission. "As activists and allies, we are dismayed that March organizers excluded Hillary Rodham Clinton as an honoree who has inspired women around the world to serve and to lead," the request reads.

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/hillary-clintons-name-left-off-womens-march-honoree-list-w462125

[nini]

49. I can't tell you how much I love that picture of Michelle

LOL

[Cha]

50. Here's another precious one..

Nerdy Wonka ?@NerdyWonka
First Lady Michelle Obama is all of us. She is not going to pretend she's here for this racist mess.

G.O.A.T.
10:34 AM - 20 Jan 2017

https://twitter.com/NerdyWonka?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

[nini]

53. I hadn't seen that one

hahahahahhah



thanks!

[betsuni]

56. I hadn't seen that one either!

This is why she can't be a politician, and neither could I. Can't pretend.

[Cha]

57. I dunno if she'd even want to.. but she could just

give them stink eye and side eye and wouldn't have to say a word.

I love the Obamas and am so happy they're on a vacation in Rancho Mirage! But, they'll be back in some strong capacity.. they're not going to leave us to the vampires.

[nini]

61. They better like rain because we're getting slammed here

Which is longggg overdue

[Cha]

62. Good for you getting Rain now!

President Obama will just have to do something else besides Golf.

[justiceischeap]

46. She was mentioned by many of the speakers in DC

she was not forgotten by those speaking.

[nini]

48. good to hear

I'm sure it wasn't the attendees at all.

I'm so happy about what I'm seeing from around the world - I feel better than I have since the election!

[jalan48]

47. I think having a "list" was a really dumb idea. Too many deserving women get left off.

That being said, Clinton just completed an historic run for President. She should have been recognized for it.

[Lotusflower70]

51. Not a hypocrite

She helped pave the way to move forward. But that's just it, it's time to move forward. She is doing fine with her life. We need to keep the momentum and build on it. I am a feminist. This moment was about so much more than Hillary.

[nini]

55. I didn't say it was ALL about Hillary

None of the women listed should have been mentioned then since they were old school.

You can't forget the past to move forward.

[Lotusflower70]

58. I understand that

You can't mention everyone either. I think it was smart not to focus on her actually. The movement doesn't need to give the Republicans any ammo. Lots of people at the marches had cardboard cutouts of her. From what I saw, people acknowledged her in their own ways. Some people wore the I'm with her shirts.

[Lithos]

52. Hypothetically

At the simplest form, if I'm a Feminist, then I will judge a woman the same as a man. If one particular woman lacks the qualifications then I should not endorse/vote for her if the man has greater qualifications (obviously having a penis does not count).

The hard part about being a Feminist is knowing when you have crossed into some old convention which puts a woman at a disadvantage because of gender.

(For the record, I voted for Hillary as obviously she was the most qualified person).

L-

[nini]

54. Of course women should not get special treatment the way you describe

I agree.


But you cannot ignore what Hillary has done for women in this country - especially being our candidate. She earned a mention.

[LittleBlue]

59. I didn't even like Hillary as a candidate but...

there is zero doubt that she represents tens of millions of women and girls who supported her. Excluding her was a major blunder, and I'm a Bernie bro.

[Hamlette]

63. it would have turned the march into a sore losers' march. n/t