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rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 01:43 PM Jun 2012

The New American Aristocracy

Aristocracy is the power and wealth of a country in the hands of an elite few. Our founders fled an aristocracy. They knew that an aristocracy and democracy are not compatible. To maintain a democratic government we must fight the movement toward the lopsided balance of wealth that would signify the new American Aristocracy.

This movement is difficult to stop because, like an ever increasing spiral, power and wealth will be used to accumulate more power and wealth. Since wealth accumulation is essentially a zero-sum system, the more power the 1% gains, the more the lower classes lose. Attempts to stop the spiral toward an aristocracy is aided by an apathetic lower class deluded by the promise that they too can be part of the aristocracy.

The gullibles among us will say that the wealthy have earned their wealth and deserve it. I would venture to say that very few of the super wealthy actually earned their wealth. Most inherited it (hello aristocracy) and/or stole it “legally”. By legally stealing I am referring to the wealthy using their power to make laws that allow them to legally take wealth from the lower classes. Subsidies are a good example. Special treatment by Congress is another.

But aristocracies are bound to fail. They don’t promote or reward the smartest, brightest or hardest workers in society. Success and promotion are determined by who you are, who your parents are, and who you know. If you are poor or even working class, you will have a difficult time getting into decent schools while nitwits like Georgie Bush gets into Yale because his daddy went there. This is how you end up with idiot Kings or dictators.

It goes without saying that democracy and aristocracy are incompatible.

The above was influenced by an excellent article, “Why Elites Fail”, by Christopher Hayes, in the June 25, 2012 issue of The Nation magazine.

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The New American Aristocracy (Original Post) rhett o rick Jun 2012 OP
Don't kid yourself. Our founding fathers were the landed gentry. OffWithTheirHeads Jun 2012 #1
So what's your point? We shouldnt try to rectify the movement toward an aristocracy? nm rhett o rick Jun 2012 #3
The aristocracy never went away BumRushDaShow Jun 2012 #7
+1. Well said. Laelth Jun 2012 #8
Read your blog. Most excellent. Sort of a cliff notes version OffWithTheirHeads Jun 2012 #13
Thanks for the kind words. Laelth Jun 2012 #20
I Get It Iggy Jun 2012 #2
That book totally changed my perspective OffWithTheirHeads Jun 2012 #6
Right Iggy Jun 2012 #18
What is new is the accelerated transfer of wealth from the lower classes rhett o rick Jun 2012 #11
An interesting point. It is only recently that the 99% actually had anything OffWithTheirHeads Jun 2012 #12
The New Feudalism Octafish Jun 2012 #4
The US will eventually sadly fail from within. Eventually fighting will RKP5637 Jun 2012 #5
I agree with you.The end game is upon us.NT Phhhtttt Jun 2012 #9
Yep, IMO the brakes that were supposed to have stopped it have failed and/or RKP5637 Jun 2012 #14
Thank you for the link. Phhhtttt Jun 2012 #21
du rec nt. limpyhobbler Jun 2012 #10
“I hope we shall crush… in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations..." ErikJ Jun 2012 #15
Thank you for that. Jefferson was also in favor of an inheritance tax rhett o rick Jun 2012 #17
Outsourcing is Bipartisan Corruption Huey P. Long Jun 2012 #16
Damn it's nice to see a real conversation on DU again instead of a flame war. OffWithTheirHeads Jun 2012 #19
I so agree. nm rhett o rick Jun 2012 #22
 

OffWithTheirHeads

(10,337 posts)
1. Don't kid yourself. Our founding fathers were the landed gentry.
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 01:48 PM
Jun 2012

If you were not white, male and rich, you had no say.

BumRushDaShow

(129,027 posts)
7. The aristocracy never went away
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 02:13 PM
Jun 2012

There have always been "barons" - whether literal, with an inherited or granted "title", or those who managed to succeed in the latest "money-making" scheme that came around who were dubbed "barons" (ship-building and shipping, slaves, sugar cane, rum, tobacco, cotton, railroads, copper, auto, oil, manufacturing, film-making, broadcast communications, computer tech, etc). Hell, my ancestors were dragged over here kicking and screaming and forced to work for free for that self-same aristocracy.

In the cycle of things, their spend-thrift ways inevitably crash the economy, and they slink away as some cursory rules and regs are put in place. Time goes by, people "forget", the rules and regs are thrown out, and back they come full bore. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

The "problem" today is that due to the proliferation of "communications" (tv & internet), the little people are way more exposed to and aware of them and their excesses than in the past, when there were only couriers, snail mail, newspapers, and eventually radio.

So it's not so much rectifying anything - the aristocracy will never go away. It's a universal constant that is actually a human condition thing. The issue is with bringing back the controls that will disallow them from running roughshod over a society, where they essentially privatize the profits and socialize the risks.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
20. Thanks for the kind words.
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 09:20 PM
Jun 2012

Yes, that post is definitely influenced by Zinn, as well as Alterman and others. Glad you enjoyed it.

-Laelth

 

Iggy

(1,418 posts)
2. I Get It
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 01:50 PM
Jun 2012

but-- there's nothing new here.

Read _A People's History of the United States_ by Howard Zinn if you have not done so.

the book makes it clear the U.S. was originally founded to benefit the wealthy class-- and history proves violence
or near-violent movements by the people are required to get to some level of wealth equity and justice.

"Blogging" about it aint going to get it done.

 

Iggy

(1,418 posts)
18. Right
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 07:36 PM
Jun 2012

the book is full of info/data we just didn't get taught in high school and
college history courses

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
11. What is new is the accelerated transfer of wealth from the lower classes
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 04:43 PM
Jun 2012

to the Aristocracy. And I own a copy and have read "A People's History of the United States".

 

OffWithTheirHeads

(10,337 posts)
12. An interesting point. It is only recently that the 99% actually had anything
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 04:51 PM
Jun 2012

other than their labor, to steal. Having the 1% steal what little "we the people" have gained is, in fact, a new paradigm.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
4. The New Feudalism
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 01:55 PM
Jun 2012

Why they HATE FDR and the New Deal and why they LOVE the Third Way Democrats. Haiti, where 1-percent own 99-percent of the wealth, here we come.

RKP5637

(67,108 posts)
5. The US will eventually sadly fail from within. Eventually fighting will
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 01:57 PM
Jun 2012

break out among the elites, much as war lords, for more power and control. Corporations will become more hostile and bellicose waring for more and more control and spoils.

I have no idea of the time frame, but it will eventually happen. Certain elements will also war for population control through punitive means, surveillance and high-tech population control and suppression.

Most likely, the 21st century will not be very pleasant for the masses. Also, there will probably be more and more shifting toward a theocratic authoritarian government as the masses start more and more to turn to religion for survival, which will be manipulated and used by TPTB.

The ground is fertile for this to happen, much of the population is ignorant, a growing portion of the population is really uneducated and IMO a significant portion of the population is clueless as to what is occurring and hence gullible and naive for manipulation by propaganda.



RKP5637

(67,108 posts)
14. Yep, IMO the brakes that were supposed to have stopped it have failed and/or
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 05:17 PM
Jun 2012

in many cases been outright purposely removed. Too much of the public snoozes as this is going on, then others feel powerless to stop it, and IMO all political parties are complicit and complacent in one way or another.

Raoul Pal's "The End Game," at least for me, pretty well sums it all up.

For any not familiar with this here is the link. http://www.businessinsider.com/raoul-pal-the-end-game-2012-6?op=1

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
15. “I hope we shall crush… in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations..."
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 05:25 PM
Jun 2012

Jefferson might not have wanted a lot of government, but he wanted enough government to assert the sovereignty of citizens over corporations. To his view, nothing was more important to the health of the republic.

In the early years of the 19th century, as banks and corporations began to flex their political muscles, he announced that: “I hope we shall crush… in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country."

http://www.thenation.com/blog/37038/thomas-jefferson-feared-aristocracy-corporations

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
17. Thank you for that. Jefferson was also in favor of an inheritance tax
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 06:01 PM
Jun 2012

to prevent an aristocracy.

 

Huey P. Long

(1,932 posts)
16. Outsourcing is Bipartisan Corruption
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 05:57 PM
Jun 2012

Obama Campaign Attacks Romney’s Bain Outsourcing, But Support for Outsourcing is Bipartisan Corruption
Sunday, 24 June 2012 13:34
By Zaid Jilani, Republic Report | News Analysis

The Obama campaign just released a campaign commercial talking about how Mitt Romney, while working at Bain Capital, oversaw the outsourcing of Americans jobs to China and Mexico. The ad calls Romney a "corporate raider" for his role at Bain (watch it to the left). The media has picked up the Obama campaign's attack on Romney, amplifying its message. The overall narrative being created by the Obama campaign is clear: Romney has through his business practices support outsourcing in the past, and is likely to in the future — unlike President Obama. Unfortunately, the story is not that simple. "We should not oppose offshoring or outsourcing," said one high-ranking presidential economic adviser at a conference of companies interesting in outsourcing last summer. The adviser then went on to compare opponents of outsourcing to "luddites who took axes to machinery early in England's industrial revolution."

Those quotes do not come from a Romney adviser. They come from Larry Summers, who was President Obama's director of the White House National Economic Council. And Summers — who gave the speech after he left the White House — is not a lone voice among Obama officials. Obama once promised to re-negotiate the outsourcing-friendly North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), which he criticized on the campaign trail. Here's a copy of a mailer that Obama used during the 2008 election to talk about his opposition to NAFTA:
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So, as the record stands, President Obama, too, is also supportive of outsourcing. But Obama did not pass these trade deals alone. He had strong backing from many Senate Democrats and from most of the Republican party. This support materialized despite the fact that there is strong public opposition to "free trade" policies that privilege investor rights and do not protect worker and environmental rights.
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But the pro-outsourcing lobbyists are not through hollowing out America's manufacturing base. The Huffington Post reported earlier this month that the Obama administration is secretly working with lobbyists to pass a new trade agreement that could have devastating effects on labor and environmental rights, and open up a whole new avenue for outsourcing. This agreement could be stopped or altered to promote fair trade, but it depends in part on whether the media is prepared to accurately report on the issue.
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http://truth-out.org/news/item/9956-obama-campaign-attacks-romneys-bain-outsourcing-but-support-for-outsourcing-is-bipartisan-corruption

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