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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHere's what the inmates did for Sandusky on his first night in jail:
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By law, Sandusky, who is currently on suicide watch at the Centre County (Penn.) Correctional Facility, will be sentenced within 90 days of the verdict being rendered. Hes facing a maximum of 442 years behind bars.
As for what he may be facing once hes actually behind bars? If his first night in jail is any indication
As soon as the lights went out at night, Sanduskys fellow inmates at the Centre County Correctional Facility serenaded him with a chorus from Pink Floyds The Wall:
Hey, teacher, leave those kids alone!
For those seeking real-world justice, it appears Bubba has things well in hand.
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/24/juror-on-sanudsky-victims-they-were-honestly-telling-us-the-truth/
Ha!
Inmates don't like child molesters.
sadbear
(4,340 posts)slackmaster
(60,567 posts)I own some very fine recordings of blues that were made in a California prison using improvised technology, simple instruments, and good singing.
Turbineguy
(37,337 posts)there are bound to be some creative and talented people.
sadbear
(4,340 posts)maybe they would be familiar with Another Brick in the Wall.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)robinlynne
(15,481 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)I worked in a prison for a year back in the '80s and I knew many highly creative and musically talented inmates. Just because they had drug or alcohol issues and got themselves into some seriously bad situations doesn't mean that they don't have talent or music appreciation.
sadbear
(4,340 posts)It's pushing 35 years old today. But maybe I'm wrong to assume that most prison populations are generally made up of men 18-30 years old (which would make the song older than them.) I was not making a statement about their musical talent or music appreciation, just their familiarity with a song older than them.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)It's not like the Incredible String Band or something.
sadbear
(4,340 posts)I would say it's Floyd's signature song. While I was surprised, I was thrilled that it's still relevant to a younger generation.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)It's a great song.
Kids can surprise you sometimes with what catches their fancy musically. My daughter, who is 26 now, went through a phase in her teenage years when she was absolutely in love with Jim Morrison and The Doors, to the point where she had every album they made, bootlegs, posters, the whole nine. She also went through a phase of '80s music, Boy George and whatnot. And she knows all the songs I grew up with in the late '50s and early '60s. Some kids just take an interest in music, and I would assume that even includes "bad" kids who get in trouble.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)And there are always many people younger than me in the audience, his shows have audiences ranging in age from teenagers to senior citizens. Pink Floyd is one band that is very popular among nearly all age groups, it is truly timeless music.
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)Fozzledick
(3,860 posts)but you never quite learned the song, she sung.
I can tell by the sadness in your eyes that you never quite learned the song.
(I'm the original discriminating buffalo man
and I'll do what's wrong as long as I can. )
freshwest
(53,661 posts)The clothing and scenes, plus a floating balloon are modern. We don't really know what those prisoners listen to, but I've never forgotten the original. We're all from different parts of the country, so we don't know the references here. I didn't intend for my earlier comment to sound snarky to you, as I didn't mean it that way.
caseymoz
(5,763 posts)where music is concerned. That's my perception. Unless you're talking about Justin Beiber and bands marketed to females of a certain age.
sadbear
(4,340 posts)because the generational barrier between me and their music remains rock solid.
JI7
(89,250 posts)Control-Z
(15,682 posts)And not from me. I don't know anyone who doesn't know the song.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)They weren't always in prison, you know...
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Is largely white and rural. They are probably more familiar with classic rock more than any other genre, except, perhaps, country.
BumRushDaShow
(129,059 posts)Most jails and prisons today are populated by black males who have no friggin' idea who or "what" Pink Floyd is. Interesting about this particular facility.
I remember when the album came out (I was a freshman in college) and having gone to a school with 25,000 whites and 400 blacks, you eventually get steeped in what is the latest (including Springsteen, Van Halen, Pink Floyd, etc). But much of the rest of the AA populace? Oh hell no they don't listen to that!
If anything, the crossover "prison" song that seemed to reach folks was MJ's "They Don't Really Care About Us" because there's a "prison" version of the video.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Last edited Sun Jun 24, 2012, 09:25 PM - Edit history (1)
I'm sure he'll end up somewhere appropriate to his age, but don't mind him getting to hear a lullabye as there was no violence involved.
We don't know if he understood what the song was about so it might not ring a bell. Or he may just be batshit crazy and nothing matters to him.
GoneOffShore
(17,340 posts)I'm 64 and know that song - I sold that album in a record store in Tunbridge Wells, Kent when it came out.
So stop with the fucking "He's very old" shit, thank you!
freshwest
(53,661 posts)I will edit my comment since I do not talk with people who curse in their posts to me.
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Pink Floyd -- Another Brick In the Wall
We don't need no education.
We don't need no thought control.
No dark sarcasm in the classroom.
Teacher, leave those kids alone.
Hey, Teacher, leave those kids alone!
All in all it's just another brick in the wall.
All in all you're just another brick in the wall.
We don't need no education.
We don't need no thought control.
No dark sarcasm in the classroom.
Teachers, leave those kids alone.
Hey, Teacher, leave those kids alone!
All in all you're just another brick in the wall.
All in all you're just another brick in the wall...
First video link I found had over 6 million views. This one had over 8 million. There are dozens of these around. Anyone who has been through the meat grinder and subjected to sadistic teachers, knows the song word for word. EOM.
Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)Jazzgirl
(3,744 posts)Great video and thanks for posting. Brings back some memories.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)"Wish You Were Here":
And did they get you to trade
Your heroes for ghosts?
Hot ashes for trees?
Hot air for a cool breeze?
Cold comfort for change?
And did you exchange
A walk on part in the war
For a lead role in a cage?
freshwest
(53,661 posts)The world is a vampire, sent to drain
Secret destroyers, hold you up to the flames
And what do I get, for my pain?
Betrayed desires, and a piece of the game
Even though I know - I suppose I'll show
All my cool and cold - like old Job
Despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage
Despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage
Then someone will say what is lost can never be saved
Despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage
Now I'm naked, nothing but an animal
But can you fake it, for just one more show?
And what do you want?
I want change
And what have you got, when you feel the same?
Even though I know - I suppose I'll show
All my cool and cold - like old Job
Despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage
Despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage
Then someone will say what is lost can never be saved
Despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage
Tell me I'm the only one
Tell me there's no other one
Jesus was the only son, yeah.
Tell me I'm the chosen one
Jesus was the only son for you
Despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage
Despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage
And someone will say what is lost can never be saved
Despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage
Despite all my rage am I still just a rat in a-
Despite all my rage am I still just a rat in a-
Despite all my rage am I still just a rat in a cage
Tell me I'm the only one
Tell me there's no other one
Jesus was the only son for you
(x4)
And I still believe that I cannot be saved
Of course, it's very dramatic to think in this way, a fulfillment of another line of artistic creation to add depth to our lives here online. But I'd have to say, we have not yet begun to suffer.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)Aint No Rest for the Wicked
I was walking down the street
When out the corner of my eye,
I saw a pretty little thing approaching me.
She said I never seen a man,
Who looks so all alone,
Could you use a little company?
If you could pay the right price,
Your evening will be nice,
Or you can go and send me on my way,
I said you're such a sweet young thing,
Why'd you do this to yourself?
She looked at me and this is what she said.
Oh, there ain't no rest for the wicked,
Money don't grow on trees,
I got bills to pay,
I got mouths to feed,
There ain't nothing in this world for free.
I know I can't slow down,
I can't hold back
Though you know I wish I could,
Oh no there ain't no rest for the wicked,
Until we close our eyes for good.
Not even 15 minutes later,
I'm still walking down the street,
When I saw the shadow of a man creep out of sight,
And then he swept up from behind,
Put a gun up to my head,
He made it clear he wasn't looking for a fight,
He said give me all you've got,
I want your money not your life,
If you try to make a move I won't think twice,
I told him you can have my cash,
But first you know I've got to ask,
What made you want to live this kind of life?
He said there ain't no rest for the wicked,
Money don't grow on trees,
I got bills to pay
I got mouths to feed
Ain't nothing in this world for free.
I know I can't slow down,
I can't hold back
Though you know I wish I could
Oh no there ain't no rest for the wicked,
Until we close our eyes for good.
Now a couple hours past,
And I was sitting in my house,
The day was winding down and coming to an end,
So I turned on the TV,
And flipped it over to the news,
And what I saw I almost couldn't comprehend,
I saw a preacher man in cuffs
Taking money from the church,
He stuffed his bank account with righteous dollar bills
But even still I can't say much
Because I know we're all the same,
Oh yes we all seek out to satisfy those thrills.
You know there ain't no rest for the wicked,
Money don't grow on trees,
We got bills to pay
We got mouths to feed
Ain't nothing in this world for free.
Oh no
We can't slow down,
We can't hold back
Though you know we wish we could.
You know there ain't no rest for the wicked,
Until we close our eyes for good.
***************
As something of a songwriter myself, I would kill to have coined the phrase 'righteous dollar bills' in a verse about a preacher
tblue
(16,350 posts)He is in for one helluva prison term.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)What is Bubba going to do?
How is what Bubba is going to do "real world justice?" Is it distinct from the justice of the sentence itself? How so?
I'm having trouble understanding your post. Could you explain it, please?
Stargazer09
(2,132 posts)That's why the name was included in the OP.
Edit to add quote from the article: "For those seeking real-world justice, it appears Bubba has things well in hand."
EFerrari
(163,986 posts)Stargazer09
(2,132 posts)Just answering the "Bubba" question.
EFerrari
(163,986 posts)Stargazer09
(2,132 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)How is it that whoever Bubba might be, he has things "well in hand?"
Why are Bubba's actions considered to be "real world justice?"
I'm mystified by all this. Saying that Bubba appeared in the linked article doesn't explain who this Bubba is, what it might all mean, and why the OP seems supportive (Ha!) of whatever Bubba's activities might be. Could you be more explicit on this point for me?
dogknob
(2,431 posts)obamanut2012
(26,079 posts)Which is a type of sexual intercourse.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)who think prison rape is funny. I do not. I, also, will shed no tears for this man.
Bryn
(3,621 posts)I hope not.
I am very much against prison rape no matter how much one deserves it. Many times prisoners don't deserve it. It should never be supported ever.
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)I said that Bubba don't like child molesters in reference to the song. You took that last leap all by yourself.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Please explain.
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)generic name for an inmate. The author of the article used it.
What Bubba does is up to Bubba. The first example is that goodnight serenade. That was what I was referring to in my post.
After that, you will have to ask Bubba.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)I guess that's somewhat uncomfortable to be judged negatively even by fellow convicts. Some other people in this thread seem to believe that this Bubba would be perpetrating physical and sexual violence against particular unfavored inmates, which is, of course, beyond the pale of any acceptable behavior, and to be condemned by any decent person. They also seemed to suggest that such a violent rapist would be your hero, meting out some weird justice through sexual violence. I'm glad it's only singing and such that you seem to be supporting and not anything so utterly devoid of morals and decency as sexual violence used as punishment. Because that would be horrible beyond measure. Thanks for putting my mind at ease on that point. I would have been shocked to see anyone on these boards implicitly or explicitly supporting such a thing.
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)I didn't know Bubba was a term used for prison rapist. I never heard it used like that, and I don't know how I missed it all these years.
As for Jerry, I hope he never gets another decent night's sleep. If he jumps at every noise he hears for the rest of his days, that suits me. I guess I'm not a decent person. So sue me.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Why would anyone be so dishonest as to not come out and say exactly what they mean on these boards?
In any case, I'm glad that the people saying you would support sexual violence as punishment are wrong wrong wrong! That's a relief. I found the claim outlandish, and I'm glad you've put it to rest.
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)Speaking of code.....
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)I know what "bless your heart" means in Southern dialect.
I'm not the person on this thread pretending not to understand a common expression once they've been shamed into utterly retracting their initial point.
Have a good one.
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)Hmmmm mmmm.
I changed the term Bubba because I didn't know what it meant.
Don't call me a liar to my face or sideways. I am not and was not pretending anything. If I was referring to rape, I would have let the term Bubba stand.
It may come as a surprise, the meaning of any 'common term' can be missed no matter how widely it has been seen by some.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)and I don't know why.
I probably should know why, if not for CRS syndrome,
which excuses almost everything nowadays.
MADem
(135,425 posts)communities. Clinton does evoke "Bubba"-- particularly the candidate Clinton in the Bush v. Clinton race.
I knew a few "Bubbas" during my time in the south. That may have not been their given names, but that's what everyone called them. No one batted an eye or suggested they were prison rapists.
Noun:
Used as an informal or affectionate form of address to a brother.
derogatory. A working-class white male of the rural South.
https://www.google.com/search?sugexp=chrome,mod=0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=bubba+definition
This whole "prison" reference to "Bubba" is complete news to me. I am not so obtuse that I have not heard the jokes in poor taste from the comedians about rape in prison, but I never knew that "Bubba" was the name given to the person responsible for the act.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)implying those are the type to be rapists in prisons. (Of which
I know nothing and have no opinion except nobody deserves
to be raped.)
But yeah.. don't settle for insulting insinuations from others, ever.
edit to add, I think that last part was meant for are_grits_groceries
who was being insinuatingly insulted for not knowing "bubba"
MADem
(135,425 posts)lacking in couth, taste, style, city ways, or what-have-you.
It's part of why Bill Clinton, not rich, certainly, the son of a momma who never shied away from bright clothing and makeup and had a rich love life and liked to bet on the ponies; who lived in a trailer for a brief time, who had his own issues with his "hard dog to keep on the porch" roving eye, was called "Bubba" scornfully by the GOP in an effort to denigrate him for his heritage...but the real working class "Bubbas" embraced the guy, rejected the scorn, co-opted the nickname that they used lovingly in daily life, neutralized the GOP mockery, and flipped it to the other meaning--Bill Clinton, mah bruddah!
I am certainly no expert on prison culture having never gone to jail or having had anyone terribly close to me end up in the pokey, either, I am also no expert on southern culture, despite having lived south of the Mason-Dixon a few times in my life, but I must say, I have never heard that "Bubba" nickname applied in that fashion, as a "nickname" for a person who engages in prison assault. The late-night comedians and the tasteless frat boy films, when they delve into that unsavory territory, usually portray such an individual as an ugly, steroidal, unintelligent, brutal and glaring giant named "Tiny," or something "obviously ironic" like that.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)I never knew that about Clinton/Bubba but it's a nice story.
datasuspect
(26,591 posts)takes whatever the fuck he wants.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)Just be aware that references to Bubba in prison has long been a code word for prison rape, I have heard it many times in which it was a very clear reference to Bubba being a rapist. The person you responded to did not make a leap in assuming you meant rape, they were basing their assumption on the long history of the use of the name Bubba to describe a prison rapist. I trust you when you say you did not mean it that way but you may want to edit your post to choose your words better so there is no more confusion as to what you actually did mean.
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)I have never run up on that term used in that way, and how I missed it is beyond me. I certainly haven't confined my reading to Nancy Drew and my viewing to Green Acres and G movies.
I edited my post.
Thanks.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)Some offensive phrases become used so often that people stop realizing what they mean, I have said things before that had homophobic origins without even realizing they were homophobic for example. It is an easy mistake to make when phrases become so common that people start using them without realizing what they mean, you corrected your mistake and that is all that matters.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Being of simple and clumsy, but not necessarily a bad person.
But in this context, with prison involved, we really don't wanna go there if it can be helped.
I don't think that anyone has actually named their son Bubba on their birth certificates.
Or at least I hope not.
Bryn
(3,621 posts)Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)You can believe that or not. If I meant for it to be prison rape, I would let the term stand once I did know.
Don't call me a liar to my face or sideways.
GoneOffShore
(17,340 posts)So lighten up there, Francis.
You seem to be over analyzing.
Dorian Gray
(13,496 posts)I do now.
malthaussen
(17,200 posts)In fact, my Penobscot brother calls me "Bubba" quite often, and I know he's not accusing me of being a prison rapist, since I've never done time.
My understanding of "Bubba" is that it is used in a number of different contexts to mean different things. Of course, those who only know it to reference prison rapists are going to immediately mount a moral high horse when they see it used.
In any event, child molesters are always held apart from the general prison population, because it became noticeable that if integrated, they generally do not survive very long. Taking "Bubba" to mean "general inmate," the statement "Bubba doesn't like child molesters" is quite true. I would imagine it is true even if "Bubba" is interpreted to mean "Prison rapist." The fact is, the general population inside or outside doesn't much like child molesters.
The "real world justice" these Bubbas will presumably mete out, given the fact that molesters are held outside the general population, is therefore that of intimidation and fear. They will do what they can to make Inmate Sandusky's stay in prison uncomfortable, but any form of physical violence is ruled out by his inaccessibility.
-- Mal
MADem
(135,425 posts)designation...at least that's how all the (generally tasteless) "buddy" comedies portray that kind of scenario.
duhneece
(4,113 posts)Not even a rapist. It's time (past time) to never again consider prison rape deserved, funny, or justice.
Tho' I harbor not-so-spiritual exceptions for child rapists in my worst moments, I must confess.
Bellerophon
(50 posts)Condone such acts are no different. And such axts are hardley condusivd to s safe environment...
As they say an eye for an eye makes everybody blind...
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)'cruel and unusual punishments,' then no one can ever 'deserve' rape.
Iggo
(47,558 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)That's horrific. You can't be serious.
Iggo
(47,558 posts)Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)All sorts of indignation from them when called on it of course (just look at one of the subthreads on this post), but that's what they mean.
Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)scourge of God
MADem
(135,425 posts)pipe, or make him do the chores assigned to Bubba, or steal his MAD MAGAZINE or take the dessert off his lunch tray--that he is a "generic" bully of child molesters, and the name is not a synonym for Prison Rapist? You might be on to something, here. I think you are.
In a contextual commentary, I can see where that would fit. I just can't believe, though, that "Bubba" is a Stand-In name for "Prison Rapist," like "Bozo" is a stand-in name for someone who is a clown.
I rather doubt a large percentage of this nation would persist in using the term as one of endearment directed at a family member, or someone who is regarded as just as close as a family member, if the name commonly meant someone who engages in sexual assault in a prison setting. It would be as absurd as calling a family member "Charlie Manson" or "Hillside Strangler!"
lapislzi
(5,762 posts)It is some people's twisted conception of "justice."
Honestly...thousands of years of human settlement and we've learned mostly nothing.
We prefer retribution and punishment when society has been wronged. In Sandusky's case, punishment is probably the only option available, but that doesn't mean it needs to be barbaric.
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)Mine is that Bubba is a generic name for inmates. If there is another urban dictionary meaning then I am unaware of it. That was not my use of it.
Iggo
(47,558 posts)There are people who aren't satisfied with just locking people up. Their fantasies are filled with extra-judicial "prison justice" -- torture, rape, murder -- meted out by random prisoners who these torture-porn fanatics have given the nickname "Bubba". ("Bubba will take care of him." "He won't be smiling when they throw him in a cell with Bubba." Etc.)
I wasn't talking about you at all. I was talking about the writer of the article.
Sorry for the confusion.
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)Missed that allusion all my life somehow.
krispos42
(49,445 posts)And walking into doorjambs.
I don't endorse such accidents, but I will read about them with a smile on my face.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)Seriously,why would anyone give a crap, about what happens to this monster?
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)the people it incarcerates.
obamanut2012
(26,079 posts)Inmates have a legal and moral right to a safe incarceration.
krispos42
(49,445 posts)But I'm not going to shed a tear when the extra-legal process the inmates use goes to work on him.
Of course, the prison officials should try to protect him. And they should try to find out who beats him up, and punish the offender. But if the offender willingly takes his punishment in order to break Sandusky's face?
freshwest
(53,661 posts)He'll probably die a natural death soon. He has the look of a man with a serious heart condition. Too bad he wasted his youth and the years thereafter harming others for getting himself a cheap thrill. He will be paying for the extraordinary luxury of indulging his own lusts.
We can't asssume these crimes are not being committed as we type here. The abuse of children will not end with this one person, or just a few. A change of consciousness will be needed for that, but we as a world are struggling with reactionary forces that have increased, rather than decreased the crimes against children worldwide.
This ain't over. We are only getting a partial healing by this man being put away where he can't hurt anyone now.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)I've been thinking about the death penalty and believe it should now be reserved for the most heinous of crimes...
If somebody fucks/rapes 4 year old for example, there is really no reason to keep that person alive. Just a bullet or a drug cocktail. I was thinking about a two-strike rule just due to people being wrongly charged...not sure that we want to even allow or have a chance of a second victim though. Maybe only 1 strike in cases where DNA was used?
Over 7 Billion people in this World. There are some sick sheep out there that just need to be shot and buried in the back 40.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Granted it to just shoot people and bury them in the woods. What could possibly go wrong?
P.s. DNA does not prove guilt in many cases other than rape, it more typically establishes locality.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)You get convicted twice of raping a baby, we really don't need that kind of scum among the living..
Of course I grew up on a farm so I knew why the chicken that kept pecking the eyes of the rest of the flock had to go into the stew pot LOL
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)needed saying.
In a way, it cheapens the suffering Sandusky's victims experience to have Sandusky himself become a victim of extra-judicial punishments, violence, and so on. Not that I expect that argument to get very far among the charnel house that DU has become recently.
Yavapai
(825 posts)Their last hit was "The wall".
I know, an terrible old joke, but I just couldn't help myself...
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)Granted it sold much less than some of their other albums, but a double platinum would be considered a hit by most standards even if it does pale in comprision to the 50 million they sold for Dark Side of the Moon. It was a good album too no matter what people say, it may not be their best but it was solid and had great songwriting.
On Edit: A Momentary Lapse of Reason and the Division Bell were also big hits but they were post Waters.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)Q: What's the difference between Mick Jagger and a Scotsman?
A: Mick Jagger says, "Hey, you, get off of my cloud" but a Scotsman says, "Hey, McCloud, get off of my ewe."
N.B. I'm Scotch-Irish, so I think I'm allowed to tell that one
handmade34
(22,756 posts)I worked for a year or so as a Correctional Officer... I have seen what inmates do when someone charged with pedophilia comes in... it ain't pretty!
Evoman
(8,040 posts)Prison "justice" makes me sick just thinking about it.
Boxcar Willie
(75 posts)to stop it or prevent it?
RainDog
(28,784 posts)My first thought was that, even in prison, the people there have a code of conduct that others understand - childhood is where so many people fall victim - whether it is to a pedophile or a parent addicted to drugs or a parent who beats a child or poverty -
but my second thought was that our justice system has spoken and Sandusky's punishment will be decided by those means.
but mostly I just wanted to cry to think that those prisoners had been children once and, even in their vengeance, once were children and could identify with those children Sandusky abused.
We live in a cruel world.
Evoman
(8,040 posts)Getting beat up everday or raped makes me feel sick. It's not what jail is about and it gives me absolutely no pleasure thinking about it.
handmade34
(22,756 posts)many prisoners (including Sandusky) should not sit in prison or jail at the tax payers expense... there are ways to keep him away from children and he should be under house arrest (at his own expense) with/monitors for the rest of his life...
our prison/corrections system is way out dated and inefficient
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)Sandusky should rot in prison for the rest of his miserable life. To say he should only be on house arrest for the hideous crimes he committed, is beyond the pale.
GObamaGO
(665 posts)Given the nature of his crimes. I totally agree with you that he should rot in prison for the rest of his life.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)He inflicted so much pain on the children he chose as victims, and ruined their lives. There's no way to know how many....
Whatever happens to him in jail has been his own making. I accept that.
IndyPragmatist123
(42 posts)I even thought it was weird when the verdict came through and you saw videos of people cheering like their team won the Super Bowl. People were going crazy and it just seemed really odd to me.
Don't get me wrong; Sandusky deserves to go to jail and is a terrible person. However, I don't get how people can derive pleasure out of this. The blood lust sickens me sometimes. The man molested numerous children; there should be no cheering involved.
When I got a push alert on my phone of the verdict, there was no joy. I didn't start cheering; I thought to myself "the justice system worked this time; he got what he deserves." The cheering and happiness over a man going to jail for life doesn't make any sense to me.
But then again, I didn't get the people going crazy over Bin Laden's death either. I looked at that as more of a relief than a cause for celebration.
Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)EastTennesseeDem
(2,675 posts)Countless people will never lead a normal life thanks to him. The thought of him getting raped doesn't make me happy. But it doesn't make me sick either.
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Initech
(100,079 posts)sadbear
(4,340 posts)Our forefathers adopted the Eighth Amendment for a very good reason.
Pool Hall Ace
(5,849 posts)Is this routine for cases like this, or does it perhaps mean that Sandusky has indicated he feels suicidal? Google wasn't helpful.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)I imagine Sandusky is going to have to be kept isolated from general population for his entire life-sentence to keep him from being raped.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)That is a very ill man, from his color, skin texture, eyes, etc. If we don't want to see the elderly, sick, disabled or otherwise vulnerable persons in our society tossed into a lion's den or to a wolf pack to feast upon, we'd better remember that what is done to one affects us all. He is still human, which is what galls us the most about this case, that he is one of us.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I'm guessing they're lining up that sort of accommodation for him right now.
Prisoners have children, too. Prisoners have wives, girlfriends, loved ones who have been assaulted. Some of these prisoners, like anyone else, object to people who assault innocent people, particularly if they have a personal association with a person who has been victimized in that fashion.
I don't think all "retribution" this guy would have to worry about is rape. I believe prisoners can and do take other sorts of retributions when they believe someone has preyed on a helpless individual.
former9thward
(32,016 posts)Jail officials have said Sanudsky is isolated from other jail inmates. Somebody trying to start a rumor on the internet and I guess they were successful. People should be above spreading that type of stuff on DU.
rug
(82,333 posts)robinlynne
(15,481 posts)MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)He'll sit back with all the other Chesters and tell jerkoff stories in relative comfort. He'll not receive the justice he truly deserves.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Who else is with me?
obamanut2012
(26,079 posts)WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)What...were the prisoners tweeting that they serenaded Sandusky? Or, are we to believe that one of the guards shared this little nugget with the press?
Post 60 above traces the story to daily-something-or-other-dot-com. Even without that, it sounded like total crap.
DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)It always amazes me that the great self-righteous DU mob seems to love the idea, but then again it probably shouldn't.
Logical
(22,457 posts)clang1
(884 posts)maybe they'll beat him up next, shave his head? Save me your squeals that he is a Pedo, I know what he is. He had his trial, he is now in jail. Have a nice day weirdos. Pffft.
The dude is sick, and a criminal you freaks that feel this way.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Sounds about right...
datasuspect
(26,591 posts)he will be gang raped repeatedly, beaten, and sexually brutalized in manifold, almost grisly ways.
anything he has will be taken from him.
in prison, there are "men" and "bitches."
one of the worst insults you can hurl at a fellow convict is to call him a "bitch" or a punk.
sandusky will no longer be a man in prison.
you may disagree with it, you might dislike it, you might think that it isn't justice.
but it will happen. it will happen often.
and sandusky deserves every second of it.
sadbear
(4,340 posts)Our forefathers would be aghast at what happens in our prisons today.
datasuspect
(26,591 posts)RZM
(8,556 posts)What the article implies is that the brutal treatment that pedophiles experience in prison is 'real world justice.' It's not justice in any sense of the word. It's repulsive violence of the strong (often gang members) against the weak.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Do I need the fucking sarcasm smiley?
I especially like the "it's wrong but I won't shed any tears" crowd. They want to have their cake and eat it too.
RZM
(8,556 posts)Many of the predators who victimize pedophiles don't stop at pedophiles. They are sociopaths and are looking to victimize anybody who is an easy mark. And a whole lot of these keyboard commandos who justify this stuff would themselves be easy marks if they found themselves in prison.
Once they were face to face with Bubba and his gang buddies, the might see the situation differently. The ultimate irony is that some of them would end up requesting protective custody where they would end up spending the rest of their sentence surrounded by . . . pedophiles. And they'd find that they would much rather do their time with them than with the violent gang members whose behavior they previously justified.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)At Mon Jun 25, 2012, 11:39 AM you sent an alert on the following post:
Here's what the inmates did for Sandusky on his first night in jail:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002850534
REASON FOR ALERT:
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)
YOUR COMMENTS:
Calling inmates 'Bubba' is a dog whistle for prison rape. Unacceptable.
JURY RESULTS
A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Mon Jun 25, 2012, 11:47 AM, and voted 1-5 to LEAVE IT ALONE.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT and said: Bubba has been a problem....
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Why not read the article?? It's "IN" the article. How about some compassion for what he did to those little boys? WOW.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: I can handle it.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No, it doesn't have to be a 'dog whistle for prison rape'. In this case, it means 'prison inmates', because it describes what happened (singing to let him know he's hated) and says 'Bubba' "has it in hand" - ie this is already the 'justice'. The word Bubba also comes from NBC, not the DUer.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)The whole op is rw bullshit. I believe that the poster didn't get the bubba reference, but that is really irrelevant to the suitability of the post. Support for "inmate justice" is crap. Rw crap. Jail rape posts are intolerable, intentional or not. There is always self delete as an option open to the op.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)suggest that I show compassion for Sandusky's victims.
Here's how a serious and well-adjusted society shows compassion: by adhering scrupulously to the principles in its Constitution (which, last time I checked, barred cruel and unusual punishments).
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Unknowingly. That isn't an excuse, it is just a fact.
clang1
(884 posts)clang1
(884 posts)on the street, wherever, are NO different than he is. They disgust me more than he disgusts me. They just have not been caught yet for the things that they do. People like this have no morality and lack humanity. More psychopaths trained to hate by the violence that permeates our society. Only an animal would also think to rape a 60 year old man.
All part of the rot.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)even perhaps virtuous in some cases.
But I can't think of anyone joking that a female criminal, no matter how horrible, ought to be raped.
Not on here at least.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I don't think very many people here see prison rape as humorous at all. I think most see it as horrifying, and perhaps a very few see it as one of those "eye for an eye" retributions in this particular instance, but humorous? Even with zippy musical accompaniment and a pre-recorded laugh track, that kind of shit isn't at all funny.
If it "is seen" by any group as a big ho-ho, hee-hee, I'm guessing it's those fellows on one of those sites well over to the right who are the ones doing the nervous giggling.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)rppper
(2,952 posts)To this little Sublime gem....
.....someone said Sandusky was still a human being....guess we have to agree to disagree on that.....I wonder how human those preteens felt during their rapes....he's not molester, he's a serial rapist of underage children. To me that's about as far From a human as you can be...