In all honesty I'd rather see cocaine legalized over pot

[RB TexLa]

No offense intended, I just find pot nasty and uncouth.

[HangOnKids]

1. There are many things I find nasty and uncouth

pot isn't one of them.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

62. I can't think of much to say to this OP that wouldn't get the post deleted

So I thought I'd just say hello to a sane friend instead. Hope you're doing well, and thanks for NOT being one of the people making this place a cesspool.
-dc

[RainbowSuperfund]

63. Hello friend :) I chose not to get deleted also . Despicable. n/t

[ryan_cats]

71. Sorry, I've seen coke destroy folk's lives, there is no way it is better than pot

Sorry, I've seen coke destroy folk's lives, there is no way it is better than pot. No where near it.

You never see someone on pot holding people hostage or acting paranoid.

You might as well legalize meth, it's far worse than coke or meth and it is incredibly nasty and uncouth.

People think they're hip because they do blow; it makes them part of the in crowd.

Sorry, I'd rather hang around pot heads, you don't see pot heads constantly looking out the windows and acting in a paranoid manner.

[Jumping John]

2. No offense but I know cancer patients who smoked pot after chemo treatments to abate the nasty vomit

episodes that pills failed to help stop.

And I find that you characterizing pot as uncouth is puzzling?

[otherone]

4. yes

[kestrel91316]

3. I find MMJ extremely helpful for pain and insomnia.

I use it right before bed, so any "high" is wasted on me. Sigh.

I can't think of any reason I'd ever want to use cocaine.

[GarroHorus]

26. Nasal surgery

Cocaine is good for nasal surgery.

[LadyHawkAZ]

5. I find it nasty too

and I can't stand the smell and I can't smoke it, but I'd still like to see it legalized.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

6. Another great "pipe bomb" post.

You never fail to disappoint.

[Ian David]

7. The coke heads at least get their legal briefs filed in time.

It's just that they're never proper collated, and they have testimony from unrelated cases mixed in with them.

[Comrade_McKenzie]

8. I find people that want to ban nature nasty and uncouth. nt

[randome]

17. I think the OP is ridiculous.

But there's nothing natural about putting a weed in your mouth and setting it on fire!

[GarroHorus]

27. How about eating it?

That's the only form of ingestion I ever participate in.

[randome]

29. Most people don't, though. They prefer the 'light me up' method.

[GarroHorus]

31. Best bet.

Waute the weed in butter, then strain out extraneous vegatative matter.

Save the butter and use as standard butter in any and all recipes.

ENJOY!

[randome]

45. Better yet, mold the butter into the shape of a statue and then you get...

...They Might Be Giants!

[girl gone mad]

52. It seems far more natural than most of the things people do.

Plants and fire do occur in nature. Computers, on the other hand..

[randome]

56. But computers are composed of rearranged natural elements.

Just kidding. Point taken.

[morningfog]

65. No? Is eating cooked meat natural?

Roasted veggies?

[randome]

97. No. They aren't.

Neither is smoking a weed, that's my point.

[roody]

9. They should both be legal.

Marijuana is natural. Cocaine is highly processed.

[4th law of robotics]

10. I am curious how you determined cocaine to be less nasty and more "couth"

than pot.

[GarroHorus]

28. <sniff>

No way to tell.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

11. You obviously don't know any coke heads

They're far more annoying than stoners.

[RB TexLa]

13. I know plenty of people who use cocaine, I'm sure everyone does.

[Jumping John]

16. A user merely uses occasionally. A coke head uses to feed an addiction. No offense intended but you

do understand the difference, right?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

68. Aside from a handful of Mexican drug lords

EVERYONE knows more people who smoke pot than use coke. I'm sure you're just misinformed, because of course, the alternative explanation would not tend to speak well of your character, and I know your character is A-1 freaking sterling. Have a super day.

[snooper2]

106. Roll up some primos and you can have the best of both worlds

[RebelOne]

116. I have used cocaine. You could say that at one time I was a coke head.

When I lived in Miami it was easy to get. I did it for a couple of years. I was doing a lot of freelance work at home and needed the extra boost from the coke Then I moved up here to North Georgia where I did not know any dealers. That was in 1989 and I have not done it since. And I would not even think of doing it now because I have high blood pressure.

[Blue_In_AK]

15. Agree 100%.

Especially if they're the crackhead variety.

[EFerrari]

19. I'd rather restock the fridge than peel foil off the windows any day.

[Electric Monk]

54. Do you know why cokeheads prefer having sex doggy style?

So they can both peek out the blinds at the same time

[EFerrari]

58. LOL

[Ter]

51. Unless he himself is a user

n/t

[Fumesucker]

12. Don't go changing..

We love you just the way you are..

[wickerwoman]

39. I don't smoke with you.

[etherealtruth]

102. LOL! n/t

[WillyT]

14. Talk About Your Divide And Conquer... Pitting Drug Users Against Drug Users... Shameful...

[Jumping John]

20. Your assumption that I am a drug user is offensive.

[girl gone mad]

57. huh?

Jumping John (687 posts)
20. Your assumption that I am a drug user is offensive.

[WillyT]

59. LOL !!! - Some Of These Guys REALLY DO Need To Get The Hang Of This Place

[UnrepentantLiberal]

119. That was odd.

[TeamPooka]

18. Prohibition is a failed public policy...

no matter what drug we are talking about.
Legalize, tax and regulate them all.

[spanone]

21. jeeebus

[Scurrilous]

22. Heh!

[The Midway Rebel]

23. I'll take stupid shit mouthy coke heads say for $100, Alex!

No offense intended.

[Fumesucker]

36. <snort>

[GarroHorus]

24. Pretty stupid stance, IMO

Cocaine is far worse on the human body than pot has ever been. Suggesting Cocaine be legalized over pot is about the stupidest thing I've ever heard in my life.

[Fumesucker]

30. Stick around, RB TexLa hasn't shown you nothing yet..

Absolutely world class, our RB is..

[morningfog]

66. What is this guy's problem? Desperate for attention? Bored?

I don't understand the motivation.

[Fumesucker]

69. His threads often lead to hilarity..

This one is shaping up that way, there have been some seriously epic ones in the past.

I know I'll be checking back, I've already got two good laughs out of this one.

[SammyWinstonJack]

89. heh.

[AJTheMan]

25. All drugs should be legalized.

They are a public health concern. Abuse of drugs is a health issue. Not to mention, the current "war on drugs" has turned Mexico into a bloodbath. Here in the states we do not literally wage war on drugs. In Mexico, however, it is something of a civil war with more people dying every day. Innocent civilians die too. It is a literal war. I feel like the costs of this war (human lives) are much more than the gains.

Your weekly update on the results of the Drug War

[Major Nikon]

88. The vast majority of the product coming from Mexico is pot

Just legalizing pot would go a helluva long way toward stemming violence and needless prosecution on both sides.

[tandot]

32. I see ... you forgot to add a certain smiley

this one -->

[RB TexLa]

61. No sarcasm

[Iggo]

33. In all honesty?

Mmkay.

[GoneOffShore]

34. Well aren't you special!

Probably one of the stupider posts I've seen on DU since I've been here.

[GarroHorus]

35. In all honesty, I'd rather see morons imprisoned instead of potheads. n/t

[Sgent]

37. Cocaine is already use in medical applications (Schedule II)

it would be nice if they would do that with pot (Schedule I).

[Frannyfannypack]

38. I don't snort with you. n/t

[Ptah]

50. hmmm

[RadiationTherapy]

40. What does "uncouth" mean?

[The Midway Rebel]

60. He means if you smoke weed...

you ain't got no couth, man.

[RadiationTherapy]

100. I don't couth with you.

[alphafemale]

41. You know a huge amount of people under 50 smoke pot...OK?

I wouldn't mind cocaine being legalized too. I just have no interest. You'd have to pluck me off the ceiling like a spider. I'm already too tightly wound and can only manage about 4 hours sleep a night. I'm not going anywhere NEAR Cocaine. Oh heall No.

[quinnox]

42. coming from one who doesn't understand why

there is a strong objection by many in the United States of using military forces to oversee citizens, this kind of opinion doesn't surprise me. Rather, par for the course for the OP.

[jp11]

43. I want to be on

My Little Pony Friendship is Magic.

[RainbowSuperfund]

72. +1 Cause I love Pinky Pie.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

44. I smoke my blunts while raising my little pinkie

I try to be couth.

[Spider Jerusalem]

46. Eh

cannabis has a higher associated risk of potentially triggering a psychotic break, but the risks of cocaine addiction are much more serious (it's possible to become "addicted" to cannabis, in terms of being physically and psychologically habituated, and to experience a withdrawal syndrome, but the risks and effects are much less severe than for cocaine).

[JonLP24]

70. I seriously doubt that

Stimulants are far more common in producing psychosis. The paranoia, checking windows like someone mentioned up-thread is the thought disorder that is common in psychosis. Psychosis is basically seeing & hearing things that aren't there along w/ delusional thoughts such as like people are out to get you.

I'd love to see a citation for cannabis having a higher risk of a psychotic episode.

[Spider Jerusalem]

81. You can doubt it all you want...

there's significant research that shows that cannabis use can provide a trigger for psychosis (most frequently in people who may already have latent neurological issues, but nonetheless it is a risk factor).

[JonLP24]

98. I didn't doubt that

I doubted it was higher than the risk of developing one for cocaine.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

111. It's the parenthetical potion go post 46 that you can't back up...not the rest

[Spider Jerusalem]

118. Except I can back that up.

From firsthand experience. I know for a fact that cessation of cannabis can cause a withdrawal syndrome, because I have experienced it. It is also well-established by research; see proposed revisions for DSM-V: http://www.dsm5.org/ProposedRevisions/Pages/proposedrevision.aspx?rid=430

See also various journal articles:

Converging evidence from basic laboratory and clinical studies indicates that a withdrawal syndrome reliably follows discontinuation of chronic heavy use of cannabis or tetrahydrocannabinol. Common symptoms are primarily emotional and behavioral, although appetite change, weight loss, and physical discomfort are also frequently reported. The onset and time course of these symptoms appear similar to those of other substance withdrawal syndromes.
http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/article.aspx?articleid=177137

Recent findings: The neurobiological basis for cannabis withdrawal has been established via discovery of an endogenous cannabinoid system, identification of cannabinoid receptors, and demonstrations of precipitated withdrawal with cannabinoid receptor antagonists. Laboratory studies have established the reliability, validity, and time course of a cannabis withdrawal syndrome and have begun to explore the effect of various medications on such withdrawal. Reports from clinical samples indicate that the syndrome is common among treatment seekers.

Summary: A clinically important withdrawal syndrome associated with cannabis dependence has been established. Additional research must determine how cannabis withdrawal affects cessation attempts and the best way to treat its symptoms.

http://journals.lww.com/co-psychiatry/Abstract/2006/05000/The_cannabis_withdrawal_syndrome.2.aspx

A subset of marijuana smokers develop a cannabis use disorder and seek treatment for their marijuana use on their own initiative. A less well-known consequence of daily, repeated marijuana use is a withdrawal syndrome, characterized by a time-dependent constellation of symptoms: irritability, anxiety, marijuana craving, decreased quality and quantity of sleep, and decreased food intake.

http://www.springerlink.com/content/r7280706u0420223/

There are lots more citations where all those came from.

[eShirl]

91. I think he's talking about a possible correlation between

cannabis use and onset of schizoprenia in people who may already have been in the process of developing schizophrenia.

There's also a quite high correlation between schizophrenia and tobacco smoking.

[morningfog]

73. Do you have any evidence or a link for cannabis withdrawal?

[Spider Jerusalem]

80. I have firsthand experience.

Severe insomnia and loss of appetite seem to be the worst of it, but it's foolish to argue that there is no associated withdrawal syndrome.

[Sans__Culottes]

77. Nonsense.

Educate yourself from proper sources.

[DefenseLawyer]

47. Is that really the criteria we are going to use to make something illegal?

Some blowhard finds something "uncouth" so it should be illegal? Hey, why not?

[Bluenorthwest]

101. Blowhard or blowhead?

That is the question.

[dionysus]

48. it figures you'd support a whack-ass stupid idea like that...

i do not blow lines with you.

[JonLP24]

49. Another post of yours' that doesn't make any sense n/t

[Maine-ah]

53. I just partook...

this whole thread is effin' hilarious

[Taverner]

55. Hmmm take a look at crimes per incident

Pot, even when the center of a crime, is usually benign - the kind of thing that would be a non event everywhere else

Cocaine, on the other hand, has statstically been a dangerous drug

Granted - I think all drugs should be legal

And doled out by health care professionals

In pharmaceutical doses

But that's just me

[morningfog]

64. What a stupid OP. No offense intended my ass.

Pure flame bait. Could you post more than just two line bullshit to let others in on you game? Or is that your game?

[bhikkhu]

67. Back in the day, I knew more than my share of cokeheads

A rare few could handle the stuff; the rest it destroyed.

[Jamastiene]

74. Coke heads think they are god.

That pompous sense of self importance they seem to have is way more uncouth than any pothead I have ever met. I feel the opposite of you on this.

[morningfog]

75. That's racist.

[tawadi]

76. Considering the way lab rats starve themselves, turning down food, before giving up cocaine

I think I'll pass.

[Zorra]

78. That's just flat out crazy. I've seen, firsthand, literally scores of lives devastated by cocaine.

I survived my own very serious fling with it, and haven't gone near it in 23 years.

Cocaine is a thousand times more dangerous then the herb could ever be.

[MrSlayer]

79. Yeah, all the sweating, snot licking and air hoagie chewing is really attractive.

And really the smell of burning cocaine is far worse than weed. Whatever floats your boat. Neither is going to happen.

[Rowdyboy]

82. How sad and bizarre.....best wishes on a rapid recovery.....

[Comrade Grumpy]

83. False dilemma. Just legalize both.

Legalize it all, and let the cops clean up the resulting messes--just like they do with alcohol.

[Warren DeMontague]

84. IagreecompletelyandfurthermoreIthinkthatitwouldbegreatifwecouldteachdogstodrivecarsbecauseseewevegot

allthesedogsthatdontdoanythingalldayanywayandtheycoulddriveourcarsfreeingusupformoreimportanttasksanditwouldgetthedogsoutofthehousesincedogslovegoingforridesanywayand

..wait a minute, who ARE you- and why have I been in this bathroom for the past 4 hours?

[phleshdef]

85. Yea, real fucking smart. Legalize something you can easily overdose on over something thats nearly..

...impossible to overdose on. Legalize something where the withdrawal from quitting can kill you without clinical help versus something that you can quit without any danger of fatal withdrawal. Legalize something where long term habitual usage will most assuredly cause permanent damage to most users vs something that has never shown to cause permanent damage from long term habitual usage.

This is the epitome of a moronic point of view, if you are being serious anyway.

[fishwax]

86. Not nearly as uncouth as being content to criminalize that which one finds uncouth

That's truly nasty, imo.

[NYC Liberal]

87. In all honesty I'd rather see heroin legalized over cocaine

No offense intended, I just find cocaine nasty and uncouth.

[Warren DeMontague]

90. In all honesty, I'd rather see them BOTH legal than the idiotic "drug war" we have now.

if those are the only choices, I'll go with full legalization.

[DonCoquixote]

92. Pot can at least be grown

into a 100 legitimate uses, from clothes to gasohol.

[hempoilworks]

93. And it kills cancer cells!

http://thesethgroup.org/research.php

click on "featured experiment"

also, AFAIK, the Feds don't have a patent on Cocaine, like they do on Cannabis

6630507

http://www.google.com/patents/US6630507

Now if there was a SINGLE FARKING ACTUAL REPORTER IN THIS ENTIRE COUNTRY Attorney General Holder would be asked "If there was no medical use for Marijuana as you state why does the US hold a patent on the use"??

but there are no real reporters left

and the people have been dumbed down to the point where their government can tell them which plants to grow and which plants they cannot grow.

It would be funny if it wasn't so sad

[GeorgeGist]

94. In all honesty I find

[panzerfaust]

95. I have never seen anyone kill, die, or have a heart attack, from acute MJ toxicity

but I see this from at least one cocaine user a week.

That said, I think both of these naturally occurring molecules should be legalized - along with most others.

Still though the molecules which reliably trigger extreme aggression - such as the phencyclidines - should remain beyond the pale & would be easier to interdict than they are now with the situation where much (? possibly most) police time is spent chasing after people using drugs which are no more dangerous than alcohol.

Not that alcohol is innocuous - but you may recall the Great Experiment of prohibition and how that gave criminals control of local governments - control which The War on Drugs has now taken to the national level.

When drugs are outlawed, only outlaws have drugs - which much of the rest of the population then happily buys.

[LeftishBrit]

96. Is that the criterion for making something illegal?

Many things are, or could be seen as, nasty and uncouth. One could end up with practically everything made illegal, as is, of course, the case in many nondemocratic countries.

[JVS]

99. I don't take drugs with you!

[etherealtruth]

104. + (infinity) n/t

[Romulox]

103. MOAR atten-shun, plz!!!!! nt

[leftyohiolib]

105. legalize both

[Oilwellian]

107. Cocaine Users with Couth

Images of Couth?

[thucythucy]

108. Because nothing says "couth" like sticking a straw up your nose,

bending over a mirror, and making loud snorting noises.

That said, I think both should be as legal as alcohol (restrictions only on selling to minors and operating under the influence), and addiction should be treated as a health issue, not a matter for the criminal courts.

Now what did I do with that razor....?

[backscatter712]

109. Nobody says you have to smoke it.

Perhaps you could try some of the edibles. Space brownies, anyone?

[tabasco]

110. I don't believe

in your honesty.

[BOG PERSON]

112. agreed

[daaron]

113. HAHAHAHAHA!!! Yeah, and coke is so couth.

Edited to take all the swearing and insults out:

Gimme a * break. What a * *.

Had any close friends get hooked on coke and overdose - ruining their families and lives along the way - until finally they die at 32 from a brain aneurism? No? Then * the * off * * *.

(Three sentences deleted in their entirety.)

[RB TexLa]

114. Ignoring your childish insults and language. No none of my friends have done that.

Really, there could be no reason for such a childish attack.

[daaron]

115. Yeah, well my best friend did.

It wasn't pot that killed him.

There's plenty of reason for a childish attack right there. His name was Jason "Bobo" Benton.

On behalf of Jason Benton - what I already said.