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Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 08:46 PM Jun 2012

"THEY DO NOT EVEN RECKON THEM AS HUMAN"


Omar Khayyam (153)

The elite and lofty crowd who hold exalted office are disgusted at the life of grief and bother that they suffer.

But when they consider the ones who, unlike them are not the prisoners of high ambition -- the amazing thing is that they do not
even reckon them as human.


I just found this posted on another board & felt I needed to share it here.
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"THEY DO NOT EVEN RECKON THEM AS HUMAN" (Original Post) Jackpine Radical Jun 2012 OP
Thanks, I have dealt with that type. freshwest Jun 2012 #1
The truly amazing thing is that it is the "common" people, that they scorn, who exalt them. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2012 #2
until we hold them in the same contempt that they hold us OffWithTheirHeads Jun 2012 #3
+ 1 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 kestrel91316 Jun 2012 #4
Bloody revolutions have a way of coming out badly. Do you know this book?: Jackpine Radical Jun 2012 #5
No, I don't know the book but from what I've read, OffWithTheirHeads Jun 2012 #6
You're surely right about where the violence originates, Jackpine Radical Jun 2012 #7
 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
2. The truly amazing thing is that it is the "common" people, that they scorn, who exalt them.
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 09:17 PM
Jun 2012
"Only a few prefer liberty - The majority only seek only fair masters." Sallust
 

OffWithTheirHeads

(10,337 posts)
3. until we hold them in the same contempt that they hold us
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 10:06 PM
Jun 2012

nothing will change. Historically, nothing has changed until we are willing to sharpen the guillotines.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
5. Bloody revolutions have a way of coming out badly. Do you know this book?:
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 11:33 PM
Jun 2012

Why Civil Resistance Works: The Strategic Logic of Nonviolent Conflict (Columbia Studies in Terrorism and Irregular Warfare) [Hardcover]
Erica Chenoweth (Author), Maria J. Stephan (Author)

http://www.amazon.com/Why-Civil-Resistance-Works-Nonviolent/dp/0231156820/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1340508702&sr=1-3&keywords=chenoweth

For more than a century, from 1900 to 2006, campaigns of nonviolent resistance were more than twice as effective as their violent counterparts in achieving their stated goals. By attracting impressive support from citizens, whose activism takes the form of protests, boycotts, civil disobedience, and other forms of nonviolent noncooperation, these efforts help separate regimes from their main sources of power and produce remarkable results, even in Iran, Burma, the Philippines, and the Palestinian Territories.

Combining statistical analysis with case studies of specific countries and territories, Erica Chenoweth and Maria J. Stephan detail the factors enabling such campaigns to succeed and, sometimes, causing them to fail. They find that nonviolent resistance presents fewer obstacles to moral and physical involvement and commitment, and that higher levels of participation contribute to enhanced resilience, greater opportunities for tactical innovation and civic disruption (and therefore less incentive for a regime to maintain its status quo), and shifts in loyalty among opponents' erstwhile supporters, including members of the military establishment.

Chenoweth and Stephan conclude that successful nonviolent resistance ushers in more durable and internally peaceful democracies, which are less likely to regress into civil war. Presenting a rich, evidentiary argument, they originally and systematically compare violent and nonviolent outcomes in different historical periods and geographical contexts, debunking the myth that violence occurs because of structural and environmental factors and that it is necessary to achieve certain political goals. Instead, the authors discover, violent insurgency is rarely justifiable on strategic grounds.
 

OffWithTheirHeads

(10,337 posts)
6. No, I don't know the book but from what I've read,
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 12:06 AM
Jun 2012

most violence comes from the ptb against non violent resistance and it's only when the ptb think they can't, even with violence, keep a cork in it that any real change, however incrimental, comes about. The ptb, after useing violence and realizing that that will not work, give the most incremental change possible to defuse the threat of mass revolution. Only when they ignore the fact that the people are pissed off enough to revolt, (The French Monarchy, the Russian Tzar) is violent revolution left as the only option of the people. It is always a mess but, to paraphrase Tzun Tzu, always give your enemy a way out because if you make them fight to the death, they will.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
7. You're surely right about where the violence originates,
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 09:01 AM
Jun 2012

but I think you underestimate the power of the 99% to accomplish massive change with essentially nonviolent approaches.

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