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CousinIT

(9,251 posts)
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 03:20 PM Jan 2017

Trump Collusion w/ Russia: There is quite possibly some "there" there, but not in the dossier...

Why Are the Trump Allegations Hanging Around When They Haven’t Been Substantiated

. . .Significantly, the Guardian and the BBC are now both reporting that the FBI obtained a FISA warrant investigating ties between Trump associates and Russia. Exactly what, and whom, this warrant covered is still very fuzzy. The Guardian suggested the target was “four members of the Trump team suspected of irregular contacts with Russian officials,” though that was later narrowed. The BBC, meanwhile, reports that: “Neither Mr. Trump nor his associates are named in the Fisa order” which covered “Russian banks.”

Regardless of the specific targets, if reports that a FISA order was obtained are accurate, that means that the FBI has developed a lot more evidence than just this private dossier on the point. To obtain a FISA warrant, the government must show probable cause that the entities in question are agents of a foreign power (the precise showing is different depending on whether US persons are involved). The dossier document alone does not remotely suffice for that showing; it is, after all, nothing more than the writings of a single person who does not work for the intelligence community reporting on the unverified comments of anonymous sources. On this point, note Clapper’s careful insistence that the intelligence community “did not rely upon the dossier in any way for our conclusions.” So if there is, or was, FISA surveillance, in other words, the evidence supporting it lies elsewhere. . . .



https://www.lawfareblog.com/why-are-trump-allegations-hanging-around-when-they-havent-been-substantiated
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Trump Collusion w/ Russia: There is quite possibly some "there" there, but not in the dossier... (Original Post) CousinIT Jan 2017 OP
Comey sat on this too! Chasstev365 Jan 2017 #1
Do you mean bdamomma Jan 2017 #2
Thanks! God I need a new phone! Chasstev365 Jan 2017 #3
It is turning out that Comey is one of the all-time American villains world wide wally Jan 2017 #4
He sold us out to the Russians. Keep a room open at GITMO for his traitorous ass. kairos12 Jan 2017 #6
Benedict Donald and Comrade Comey will never ever live this shit down uponit7771 Jan 2017 #12
To his soon-to-be shortest lived presidency in American history! ffr Jan 2017 #5
Just watched BBC1 show called Panaroma. LittleGirl Jan 2017 #7
Found a link to watch it greenmutha Jan 2017 #10
Doesn't work outside UK triron Jan 2017 #14
the link above doesn't work outside the UK Below is a YOUTUBE to watch KewlKat Jan 2017 #15
No Tax Returns No Peace MarinCoUSA Jan 2017 #8
The Golden Deceiver. lastlib Jan 2017 #9
interesting read - thank you so much! liberalla Jan 2017 #11
... and should've have been released in all fairness by Comrade Comey. He's such a fuck uponit7771 Jan 2017 #13
No, the dossier had as much to do with the actual document Warpy Jan 2017 #16

world wide wally

(21,749 posts)
4. It is turning out that Comey is one of the all-time American villains
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 04:00 PM
Jan 2017

His name should always be spoken when Benedict Arnold or John Wilkes Booth is mentioned

ffr

(22,671 posts)
5. To his soon-to-be shortest lived presidency in American history!
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 05:36 PM
Jan 2017

Then we'll just need to figure out what Pence knew, when he knew it, and to what extent he was involved in this unarmed coup to bring down the United States of America.

LittleGirl

(8,287 posts)
7. Just watched BBC1 show called Panaroma.
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 05:44 PM
Jan 2017

a British journalist went to Russia and spoke to several people there about Putin and Trump.
I don't know if it's available in the states but google it.

frightening what I just watched.

edit: typo

Warpy

(111,305 posts)
16. No, the dossier had as much to do with the actual document
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 01:25 AM
Jan 2017

as the blurb on a dust jacket has to do with the contents of an entire book. The fact that he even delegated defiling a mattress made for interesting reading, but the real meat was in the document we haven't seen. Yet.

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