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Conservatives are much more clear-eyedand thats why they win so often
By Cliston Brown 01/16/17 8:00am
Democrats have lost three of the last four federal elections2010, 2014 and 2016in large part because they are still clinging to the comforting but false notion that voters punish bad behavior.
The Democrats 2016 presidential campaign essentially focused on proving Donald Trump was too boorish to be an acceptable occupant of the highest office in the land. And in the lead-up to the 2010 and 2014 midterms, Democrats railed against Congressional Republicans obstruction of President Obama, decrying the GOPs refusal to give the administration any cooperation, even on issues where pollsters showed high levels of support from the public. Their complaints failed, and Republicans won.
More than two months after the stunning defeat of Hillary Clinton, there seems to be no evidence that Democrats have learned anything. They continue to harp on whatever makes Trump look unpresidential, and while there is unquestionably plenty of material there, it is also clear that there arent enough voters who care about such things to swing an election. If there were, Trump would not have prevailed.
Clinton won the popular vote, and she won it decisively, by nearly three million ballots. That brings us to another thing Democrats havent learned, but need to soon: the necessity of focusing on whats important. In terms of winning and losing, its irrelevant that Clinton won the popular vote. Whether you like our unfair, undemocratic electoral college system or not (for the record, this columnist doesnt), were stuck with it unless we change the Constitution or enough states band together to create a work-around. Its fine that Clinton won by eight million votes in California, but strategically speaking, it would have been far more important for Democrats to turn out another 80,000 votes in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. If you cant change the rules, you have to figure out how to win by the current ones.
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The Tea Party movement that started early in Obamas first term has been decried by the left for its positions and tactics, but the Tea Party undisputedly understood power. It organized, took down hundreds of incumbents at all levels of government, and it became a powerful force that establishment Republicans were afraid to cross for fear of being challenged at the primary level.
Progressives need to take a lesson from the Tea Party if they want to advance their own agenda. Merely being loud and visible isnt going to cut it. They have to organize, and they have to vote in every election: presidential, midterm, primary, and special. Only when they demonstrate a credible threat to politicians jobs will they get what they want. Winning, not whining, is what creates change.
http://observer.com/2017/01/democrats-need-to-learn-how-to-win-elections/
Cliston Brown is a communications executive and political analyst in the San Francisco Bay Area who previously served as director of communications to a longtime Democratic Representative in Washington, D.C. Follow him on Twitter (@ClistonBrown) and visit his website at ClistonBrown.com.
I thought this was a good article although I don't think we are whining if we call out Trump and his minions for their hypocrisy. Yes we went through a period of disbelief and major disappointment, but all I hear now is how do we turn this around instead of in-fighting.
Republicans band together for their greater good. The Tea Party was disruptive to the Republican Party, but in the end they joined forces and presented a somewhat unified front. Rand Paul and Ted Cruz may have been the exception, but on the larger issues they acted as one, to oppose Obama every inch of the way and they worked together to build up their grass roots and dominate in local and state elections. Liberals/Progressives continue to fight for their individual pet issues, instead of uniting to beat back the RW hoard.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)for a great many Americans now. To have any discussion about our elections, we have to factor in the fact that about 30% of us are living in a reality unattached from empirical reality and will react according the stimuli given them by their media.
"Voters don't punish bad behavior"?
Then what about the voters who couldn't/wouldn't vote for Hillary because of BENGHAZI or EMAILS?
Ohioblue22
(1,430 posts)about a few things
1 if you want to advance your agenda youre not going to get to by voting for stein or gary jackass
2 fall in line during the general
3 stop saying he lost the popular vote like it matters
4 vote in every election
5 know what kind of id you need and get it
6 learn where to find the location of your polling place and check it on voting day
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)Ohioblue22
(1,430 posts)he said only that he was gonna being them back
crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)That's a pretty strong message if you ask me. It is open for interpretation but most would agree it means bringing this country back to a happier time.
(Of course the 50s was a time of economic prosperity, but for his base, white Christian men, it was a great time).
Ohioblue22
(1,430 posts)isnt that enough to vote for .
Crunchy Frog
(26,591 posts)Ohioblue22
(1,430 posts)they wanted. dont complain when minimum wage goes and social security , medicare . i know ive heard the replies about scaring people into voting . eventually people will tire of standing in bread lines and at that point it will be enough just like back in the 40's
Crunchy Frog
(26,591 posts)"You'll come crawling back to me when you hurt badly enough" is hardly a winning message.
Before that happens, other forces will step in to fill the gap.
Ohioblue22
(1,430 posts)EL34x4
(2,003 posts)They weren't ever going to vote for Hillary to begin with. That's what.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)uniting to beat back the RW hoard." So tired of it. And many are still fighting the primaries! Like, WTF!
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)HassleCat
(6,409 posts)If the Tea Party is our example, we should push populist and progressive issues, and take down weak Democrats in primaries. Not sure we're ready for that.
ranger2
(6 posts)The last thing the Democratic Party needs is its own Tea Party movement. During the primaries in 2010, Republicans had their own Night of the Long Knives in taking out any Republican who was deemed not conservative enough. That turned the GOP into the far-right hate-spewing entity that produced Donald Trump.
"take down weak Democrats" is exactly the same solution as the Tea Party did. The Democratic Party needs to reach out to the center in addition to the left, and we need to push the message that can appeal to all sides of the spectrum: the Democratic Party believes that government has a responsibility to help the people.
All Democrats need to come together during the general, but that is not the same as demanding that all Democrats think with one hive mind, which is what you're advocating.
That message kept people voting Democratic from Montana to New York to Georgia from the 1800s until 2004. We need to be a national party, not a party for the liberal elite.
whathehell
(29,069 posts)That's Repuke terminology....I think you'e actually referring to educated people who can think, although 54℅ of college educated white males did vote for the moron.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Recced.
DinahMoeHum
(21,801 posts)The GOP has developed a genius for falling into lockstep. . .They line up behind their candidate, grit their teeth, and help him win, no matter who he is. . ."
- Playwright Tony Kushner
http://www.motherjones.com/media/2003/11/tony-kushner-radical-pragmatist
gulliver
(13,186 posts)The first thing every single liberal or progressive needs to do is commit to the Democratic Party. We don't expect perfection from our friends if we want to have friends.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)kimbutgar
(21,172 posts)Programmed to get the desired result. I think there was an organized effort by rethug sos to make the votes in rethugs favor.
No it was not a legitimate election it was hacked, suppressed and they cheated.
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)Voting in mid terms, local elections gave them the power base to get where they are now. Standing behind the party at the end of the day. It didn't happen overnight.
Ohioblue22
(1,430 posts)those tools the cons use to deny people (usually dems )their right to vote. like saying you need a specific form of id to vote college id not good but a nra id is good shit like that.
how many votes were declared invalid in michigan how many not counted etc.
but the author is correct dems need to fall in line in the general . the cons did and the dems didnt so here we sit on the outside again
uponit7771
(90,347 posts).... suppression etc.
The overt gerrymandering doesn't help either
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)Much of it self evident...in Jared Kushner's newspaper no less
Stellar
(5,644 posts)Dems need to remember that.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)lie, cheat, steal, disenfranchise.
While we watch and wring our hands.
randr
(12,412 posts)They do not have the capacity for empathy. Their hatred of others has poisoned their hearts.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)Think of the GOP like Bellichek.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)They fund enormous amounts of money from questionable sources, they gerrymander districts, and find ways to suppress the vote. THAT is not democratic. Ensuring people CANNOT vote is the most undemocratic thing you can do in an election. They cheat.
treestar
(82,383 posts)and stop them from doing it?
One might be show up in midterms and vote for Democrats to dominate state houses so this doesn't happen.
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)They had to amass the power to implement those policies. Yes, they cheat but it was the culmination of a long process. Our ambivalence, perfectionism, purity tests and narrow self interest have prevented us from coming together. They have been far more unified and ultimately they participate and stand together. They are satisfied to get 70% of what they want if it means they win.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)There has been a lot of talk about that since the election. Some say that you should never criticize any sitting Democrat, no matter what they do, though I think that is an extreme view even here.
So, to that end, Democrats have to adhere, most of the time, to what they allegedly stand for. Part of the reason they lose is because they (not all but too many) do not do that. You cannot be "for the people" and then vote in favor of things that your corporate donors favor, when that is in direct opposition to what voters actually need.
It's this kind of thing that breeds cynicism of voters. And the Tea Party is not what you think it is. It is not grassroots or spontaneous. I don't think we need it. I mean, perhaps progressives can form something cohesive instead of each group working on its pet issue, but not a fake grassroots organization bankrolled by corporations. I would not favor that at all.
Here's an article on the origins of the Tea Party:
http://time.com/secret-origins-of-the-tea-party/
What didnt become public until nearly 20 years later was that these themes of a Tea Party anti-tax, anti-regulation, and antigovernment revolt were then developed almost simultaneously by two of the largest tobacco companiesPhilip Morris and R.J. Reynoldsunder the guise of political and business coalitions to fight excise taxes of all sorts, including cigarette taxes. In successive phases in the 1990s, with the Kochs CSE as its core mobilization network partner, Philip Morris and RJR helped create state-based anti-tax and anti-regulation propaganda campaigns such as Get Government Off Our Back, Enough is Enough, and Citizens Against Regressive Taxation.
Clearly there are other issues progressives need to work on, especially gerrymandering and voter suppression. It seems like it would be enough to solve those two issues to give the Democratic Party at least a fighting chance. Right now, something like 90% of incumbents win, almost no matter what they do so change is incredibly difficult.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)that the voters have their backs. They do not hear enough from voters, and if they hear vote for this or against that or we'll primary you, that does not encourage them to think you are part of their supportive base. Democrats are not rabid enough. The Tea Party does not get its way by sitting on the sidelines complaining that Republicans are not conservative enough.
Jacob Boehme
(789 posts)World Wrestling Federation,
Rush Limp Paw,
Fox News,
Jerry Springer,
and The National Enquirer......
There's no "nice" to be had.
They've had the voices noted above programing them to respond to single syllable commands like:
Hate,
Fear,
Free,
Bad,
Buy,
Beer,
Drugs....
The Deplorables truly are deplorable.
treestar
(82,383 posts)We have to start getting involved, not judging from the sidelines. This Canadian drug thing is already distracting people. If the people there are not liberal enough, you will get people even less liberal if you can't forgive this or that vote.
SticksnStones
(2,108 posts)IMO, It summarizes as though writing Politics for Dummies.
Not very deep dig, or nuanced understanding of all the players roles (repubs stalling tactics, old media and multiplying new digital media sites run amok, conservative talk radio dominance, Russian and other dirty tricks politics, I could go on) and why we are where we are.
I mean really, how many dots are you not connecting or considering to write a line like "Conservatives are much more clear eyed-and that's why they win so often."
But I bet it got a lot of clicks. And that's the goal line now, isn't it?
Dear Cliston Brown: This Democrat doesn't care about your assessment.
EL34x4
(2,003 posts)Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,771 posts)He is now aligned with the RW. Beware the propaganda.
DinahMoeHum
(21,801 posts)On the websites, Kushner's outfit ends with "dot-NYC" NOT "dot-com"
Kushner's NY Observer and the Observer are TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ENTITIES.
See for yourself:
Jared Kushner's outfit:
http://www.observer.nyc/
The Observer that Cliston Brown regularly contributes to:
http://observer.com/
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,771 posts)I see now the Observer is a British outfit.
An observation about the two observers: They both seem to be appealing to an elite audience.
About the Observer
The New York Observer
milestogo
(16,829 posts)so maybe we should nominate him.
brooklynite
(94,642 posts)Initech
(100,088 posts)And they have the power to dismiss any opposing opinion as being part of the "liberal media" - which - news flash - no longer exists! They spent the last 6 years convincing people that Obamacare was the devil, and you know what? It worked! Once again They managed to get people to vote against their best interests. And now that it's about to be taken away and "replaced with something better" (not), they're suddenly in favor of it! The destruction and consolidation of the media began under Bush I and they finished the job under Obama. They won. We no longer have a voice. Literally every single book on every single bookshelf is written by a conservative. Fox News is played in more places than CNN. AM radio is dominated by conservatives. Churches are dominated by conservatives. That's how they're able to destroy us. Until we take back the media, we're going to keep losing our representation at every level. This has got to change.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)it's run by Jared Kushner, son-in-law to Donald Trump
DinahMoeHum
(21,801 posts)Kushner's NY Observer and the Observer are TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ENTITIES.
See for yourself:
Jared Kushner's outfit:
http://www.observer.nyc/
The Observer that Cliston Brown regularly contributes to:
http://observer.com/
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)I still think it's because too many Americans think they're one lucky break away from BEING Donald Trump instead of one lost job away from homelessness.
That doesn't mean the Democratic Party's absolved from looking in a mirror. We ignore and marginalize progressive voices, we don't hire the right people to run the ground game, we're horrible at messaging, we think the Clinton blueprint is going to perform like it did in '92 and '96 forever and, sad as it is to say . . . all of the issues we're better performers at, all of the diversity . . . it hurts us.
Republicans threw out their moderates and became the lockstep, racist pro-wealth xenophobe party. It works so well, we cede 135 votes right off the bat. We're all things to all people . . . some moderates aren't on board with that. In the big tent, there's going to be wars between the actual left and the cast-off moderate Republicans. It leads to votes for third parties that are either more right leaning economically than Republicans or parties with people like Jill Stein ruining them.
We're not a party with a solid economic blueprint, which is what everyone's caring about. I don't think either party is going to help the coming job dearth (which moderates cheer and makes reasonable people see disaster) and that needs to be addressed, but relying on a party that thinks giving more money to wealthy people is a feasible solution . . . it tells me our work is becoming more than we can handle.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)They care about results.
George W. Bush understood this even though he used for the benefit of solely the GOP and not the American people.
Obama did this in fewer areas, mostly in the same direction as Bush, with drones and overthrowing foreign governments.
If he had gone to the limits of his constitutional powers or even slightly past for the sake of the American people, and had dared Republicans (and right wing Democrats) to overturn him, I doubt that they would have.
Trump is probably going to take a dump on all the niceties of process, but solely for his own aggrandizement and that of the wealthy core of the GOP.