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Swede

(33,270 posts)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 03:28 PM Jun 2012

Karla Homolka lives in Guadeloupe and has three children, new book reveals

Tanned, slimmer but still wary of strangers, Karla Homolka now has three children and lives in Guadeloupe under the name Leanne Bordelais, says a new book by journalist Paula Todd, who met the notorious former convict at her new home.

The book is the first confirmation of previous, sketchier news reports that Ms. Homolka married her lawyer’s brother, gave birth and moved to the French Caribbean island to escape public scrutiny.

She had lived in Quebec following her 2005 release from a 12-year sentence for her role in the lurid sex killings of two Ontario schoolgirls and the drug-induced death of her sister Tammy.

Ms. Todd wrote that she found Ms. Homolka in a small apartment with her new spouse, Thierry Bordelais, and their three small children, a girl and two boys.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/karla-homolka-lives-in-guadeloupe-and-has-three-children-new-book-reveals/article4360378/

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Karla Homolka lives in Guadeloupe and has three children, new book reveals (Original Post) Swede Jun 2012 OP
Imagine being one of her children -- shudder. mainer Jun 2012 #1
Sounds like a person who paid their debt to society in full, MadHound Jun 2012 #2
The fact she offered up her sister to a know rapist unreadierLizard Jun 2012 #3
Well, I understand that, MadHound Jun 2012 #7
She turned on Bernardo,when it turns out she was the killer. Swede Jun 2012 #8
It doesn't matter what deal was made. MadHound Jun 2012 #11
Actually, no. unreadierLizard Jun 2012 #13
Ah, so some guy who got drunk, peed in public, and was seen by a minor should be castrated MadHound Jun 2012 #17
I didn't say that. unreadierLizard Jun 2012 #21
Actually you did, MadHound Jun 2012 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author randome Jun 2012 #51
Anyone torturing and murdering kids shouldn't be out and about. Swede Jun 2012 #14
Well, the fact of the matter is that in the eyes of the law, justice was served MadHound Jun 2012 #19
That's your opinion ---> that justice was served. tabasco Jun 2012 #43
You seem Boxcar Willie Jun 2012 #47
Well that does not sound like such a bad idea pennylane100 Jun 2012 #46
She should STILL BE IN PRISON. unreadierLizard Jun 2012 #10
In your opinion. MadHound Jun 2012 #15
Your utter obeisance to the criminal justice system is laughable. tabasco Jun 2012 #44
Why didn't she get a life sentence then? treestar Jun 2012 #28
She made a deal with the prosecutors before they found the tape showing her as the killer. Swede Jun 2012 #29
Presumably the prosecutors did the best they could treestar Jun 2012 #31
and enjoying the torture of the kids. Swede Jun 2012 #34
treestar: yes, the reason this is an issue is because the deal preceded the tapes alcibiades_mystery Jun 2012 #52
But the crown wouldn't cancel the deal. rocktivity Jun 2012 #40
canada typically goes a little lighter on sentencing Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #45
Wow. Guess the mental illness claim worked for him there treestar Jun 2012 #48
The girls died while Bernardo was at work,yet she is the one that got the sweetheart deal. Swede Jun 2012 #5
It's funny, because before Bernardo met Holmolka he had killed no one unreadierLizard Jun 2012 #6
She paid her debt to society, MadHound Jun 2012 #9
She's a triple murderer that squealed on Bernardo to get light sentence. Swede Jun 2012 #12
Post removed Post removed Jun 2012 #16
You're perpetuating the stereotype unreadierLizard Jun 2012 #18
Ah, so now you are saying that liberals should be just as bloodthirsty as RWer's. MadHound Jun 2012 #23
I am not advocating anything of the sort. unreadierLizard Jun 2012 #24
No, because those right wingers treestar Jun 2012 #32
I think anyone torturing and murdering kids should not be free. Swede Jun 2012 #20
But she is free, she has paid her debt to society, MadHound Jun 2012 #25
Do you have kids? She tortured,then murdered children. Swede Jun 2012 #26
Bernardo must be trying to get his sentence reduced then treestar Jun 2012 #36
He kidnapped,raped & tortured these girls,cut up their bodies and dumped them. Swede Jun 2012 #37
But less guilty than she, per the argument treestar Jun 2012 #49
Evidence was hidden from the court for her sentencing muriel_volestrangler Jun 2012 #30
She served out the sentence treestar Jun 2012 #33
Out of bounds personal attack. Please edit. nt msanthrope Jun 2012 #22
She didn't pay her debt to society in full... Spazito Jun 2012 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Jun 2012 #50
A true beast. russspeakeasy Jun 2012 #4
She served her time and should not be hounded. mysuzuki2 Jun 2012 #35
The moral of this story rocktivity Jun 2012 #38
I always thought she was a battered spouse proud2BlibKansan Jun 2012 #39
That's a matter of opinion. unreadierLizard Jun 2012 #42
 

MadHound

(34,179 posts)
2. Sounds like a person who paid their debt to society in full,
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 03:33 PM
Jun 2012

And is trying to live a normal life. But the press simply won't leave her in peace.

Perhaps they should stop hounding a woman who has paid her debt to society. Or does the Canadian press track down every single person that serves their sentence?

 

unreadierLizard

(475 posts)
3. The fact she offered up her sister to a know rapist
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 03:34 PM
Jun 2012

and helped Paul Bernardo rape and murder other girls means to me, she should die. But since we have no death penalty, she should be in jail for the rest of her days.

 

MadHound

(34,179 posts)
7. Well, I understand that,
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 03:39 PM
Jun 2012

But the fact of the matter is that a court found her guilty, sentenced her to jail for the amount of time it thought just, and she served her sentence in full. She paid her debt to society. No matter what you think, or what I think, she doesn't deserved to be hounded for the rest of her life, never being able to live in peace. Doing so isn't justice, but just another form of vigilantism.

Swede

(33,270 posts)
8. She turned on Bernardo,when it turns out she was the killer.
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 03:41 PM
Jun 2012

The Crown made a deal with the devil,a devil that does not deserve peace.

 

MadHound

(34,179 posts)
11. It doesn't matter what deal was made.
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 03:43 PM
Jun 2012

The fact of the matter is that she paid her debt, and she doesn't deserve to be hounded by the press for the rest of her life.

Let me guess, you're one of those people who think that anybody convicted of a sex offense should only be allowed to live under an overpass out in the middle of nowhere.

 

unreadierLizard

(475 posts)
13. Actually, no.
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 03:44 PM
Jun 2012

They should be sterilized to start, and placed under heavy restrictions.

They show no mercy to their victims, why should society show them any mercy?

 

MadHound

(34,179 posts)
17. Ah, so some guy who got drunk, peed in public, and was seen by a minor should be castrated
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 03:48 PM
Jun 2012

Glad you're not on the bench.

 

unreadierLizard

(475 posts)
21. I didn't say that.
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 03:50 PM
Jun 2012

I'm talking about hard-core sex offenders like Sandusky and the like. Persons who have beyond a reasonable doubt been proven guilty.

 

MadHound

(34,179 posts)
27. Actually you did,
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 04:00 PM
Jun 2012

"They should be sterilized to start, and placed under heavy restrictions." in reference to sex offenders. No initial differentiation between "hard core" or other sex offenders, not initially.

So, now that you're backpedaling and trying to establish a line of demarcation, where is that line? Would you allow for the fact there are indeed some sex offenders who have changed, or would this be another blanket rule of yours?

Response to unreadierLizard (Reply #13)

 

MadHound

(34,179 posts)
19. Well, the fact of the matter is that in the eyes of the law, justice was served
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 03:49 PM
Jun 2012

She paid her debt and has a right to her privacy just like you and I.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
43. That's your opinion ---> that justice was served.
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 05:02 PM
Jun 2012

You seem to have a problem with other people having opinions.
 

Boxcar Willie

(75 posts)
47. You seem
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 06:48 PM
Jun 2012

to have problem with justice system? Please address that. Justice served > anybody's opinion

 

unreadierLizard

(475 posts)
10. She should STILL BE IN PRISON.
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 03:42 PM
Jun 2012

Except she lied about her role to get a deal, then Paul Bernardo spilled the beans on her and revealed everything.

I would have revoked her deal right there, but for some stupid reason the Crown didn't.

I'll just say this - I won't shed any tears if anything happens to Karla.

 

MadHound

(34,179 posts)
15. In your opinion.
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 03:45 PM
Jun 2012

In the eyes of a court of law, she got the sentence she deserved, justice was served, and she has paid her debt. Whatever else you think, that is where she stands in the eyes of the law. Are you putting yourself above the law? If so, you are no better than she or any other murderer.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
44. Your utter obeisance to the criminal justice system is laughable.
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 05:06 PM
Jun 2012

You: "Every act by every court in the world has been utterly flawless and just, because it had the clerk's stamp on it."

PATHETIC.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
28. Why didn't she get a life sentence then?
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 04:10 PM
Jun 2012

The fact is that she did not.

We can have our opinions about cases, but the system decides.

Swede

(33,270 posts)
29. She made a deal with the prosecutors before they found the tape showing her as the killer.
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 04:17 PM
Jun 2012

She tortured then murdered children,the deal was not justice.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
31. Presumably the prosecutors did the best they could
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 04:20 PM
Jun 2012

Some people never get caught.

A tape showing her as the killer - there was really evidence that clear?

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
52. treestar: yes, the reason this is an issue is because the deal preceded the tapes
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 01:33 PM
Jun 2012

She had already made her deal and put it all on Bernardo. Then, tapes was found that literally showed Ms. Homolko intimately involved in the killings. But that was after all the deals had been worked out and they were not retractable, as I recall.

The difference between the clear evidence of Ms. Homolka being a cold-blooded torture-killer and the way she portrayed herself to get her deal is what is at issue. Had the Crown or anybody had access to those tapes prior to dealing with Ms. Homolka, she would be essentially locked under the prison like Mr. Bernardo.

rocktivity

(44,577 posts)
40. But the crown wouldn't cancel the deal.
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 04:37 PM
Jun 2012

Last edited Sun Jun 7, 2020, 09:30 PM - Edit history (6)

And they wouldn't even have found the tape if Bernardo hadn't told them where it was.

If the tape had turned up AFTER the trial, I'd say, "Double jeapoardy, rotten luck." But what the Crown should have told her is "You lied to us, we can prove it, the deal's off -- you're not leaving here until you're in a body bag!"


rockivity

treestar

(82,383 posts)
48. Wow. Guess the mental illness claim worked for him there
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 12:10 PM
Jun 2012

Amazing he is out. He did worse than the guy who shot at Reagan.

Swede

(33,270 posts)
5. The girls died while Bernardo was at work,yet she is the one that got the sweetheart deal.
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 03:37 PM
Jun 2012

3 murders under her belt,she deserves no peace.

 

unreadierLizard

(475 posts)
6. It's funny, because before Bernardo met Holmolka he had killed no one
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 03:38 PM
Jun 2012

he was still a rapist, but I think Karla encouraged him to start killing.

 

MadHound

(34,179 posts)
9. She paid her debt to society,
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 03:41 PM
Jun 2012

Do you also think that other people who have paid their debt to society should be hounded by the press? After all, there are plenty of other murderers, both in the US and Canada, who paid their debt to society and are now walking the streets. Should we have the press hound them as well?

You are advocating a form a vigilante justice.

Swede

(33,270 posts)
12. She's a triple murderer that squealed on Bernardo to get light sentence.
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 03:43 PM
Jun 2012

The video tape they found was of her murdering and torturing these kids,she deserves no peace.

Response to Swede (Reply #12)

 

unreadierLizard

(475 posts)
18. You're perpetuating the stereotype
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 03:48 PM
Jun 2012

by RWers that liberals care more about criminals then they do victims.

 

MadHound

(34,179 posts)
23. Ah, so now you are saying that liberals should be just as bloodthirsty as RWer's.
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 03:52 PM
Jun 2012

Be careful that you're not turning into that which you hate.

I'm not perpetuating anything except the rule of law. You are the one who is advocating vigilante justice.

 

unreadierLizard

(475 posts)
24. I am not advocating anything of the sort.
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 03:54 PM
Jun 2012

All I am saying is that this monster should still be in jail. Justice in the eyes of ALMOST EVERYONE was not done.

She lied to get where she is. She should still be in jail.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
32. No, because those right wingers
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 04:22 PM
Jun 2012

are complaining about the system allowing criminal accused's rights to counsel, speedy trial, and that evidence obtained in violation of the law not be used against them.

Here you are simply disagreeing with the workings of a functioning system. It's like saying OJ is guilty, though he was was acquitted. We can say that, but no punishment is to be imposed on him for the murder for which he was acquitted.

This person did the time the system gave her, so it's over. You can complain it's not enough, but it was the punishment imposed by law.

Swede

(33,270 posts)
20. I think anyone torturing and murdering kids should not be free.
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 03:49 PM
Jun 2012

I hope she never has a minutes rest.

 

MadHound

(34,179 posts)
25. But she is free, she has paid her debt to society,
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 03:55 PM
Jun 2012

And frankly, under the rule of law what you think doesn't matter, but rather what the court decides. So I suggest this, go down and hassle this woman, try and not give her a moment's peace, and see just how fast you wind up in jail for trespassing and other laws pertaining to her right to privacy.

Swede

(33,270 posts)
26. Do you have kids? She tortured,then murdered children.
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 03:56 PM
Jun 2012

WTF dude?

These girls were murdered by Homolka,not Bernardo.

Swede

(33,270 posts)
37. He kidnapped,raped & tortured these girls,cut up their bodies and dumped them.
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 04:32 PM
Jun 2012

I don't think he will get a lighter sentence. They died while he wasn't there,but he's guilty,just the same.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,337 posts)
30. Evidence was hidden from the court for her sentencing
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 04:18 PM
Jun 2012

Video tapes, which, if they had been available at the time of her plea bargain, might have ensured a murder conviction for her.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2010/06/16/f-bernardo-homolka-timeline.html

You repeatedly say "she has paid her debt to society" as if there is some quantifiable harm done to society that is definitively and perfectly measured by a court, and which is then undone by someone being in prison for the given length of time. That's actually a silly concept; someone who steals may be able to 'repay their debt', but rapists and murderers cannot. They harm individuals, and that cannot be undone.

The video evidence sounds enough for people to have genuine concerns that she has children of her own - her previous behaviour with her sister shows that a blood relationship wasn't enough to stop her.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
33. She served out the sentence
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 04:24 PM
Jun 2012

Imposed by the courts. Nothing else can be done. While people are sometimes wrongly jailed, others are wrongly let go. Look at how many people are certain OJ was guilty even though he was acquitted.

Spazito

(50,404 posts)
41. She didn't pay her debt to society in full...
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 04:44 PM
Jun 2012

she fucking lied about her involvement in the deaths, all three of them, and it came to light when videos of the horrid abuse and murders were found, sadly, they were found only after the prosecution made a deal with her. She is as heinous a monster as her husband at the time was and he is locked up for life as a dangerous offender as she should have been.

Now that she is found again, I hope the press hound her every minute, every day so the freedom she gained through abject lies isn't freedom at all.

Response to MadHound (Reply #2)

mysuzuki2

(3,521 posts)
35. She served her time and should not be hounded.
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 04:27 PM
Jun 2012

BUT I hope someone is keeping an eye on her and her children.

rocktivity

(44,577 posts)
38. The moral of this story
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 04:34 PM
Jun 2012

If your fiance confesses that he or she has the hots for your younger sister or brother, it's the fiance that you should dump.

At least the Canadians don't have to worry about her anymore.


rocktivity

proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
39. I always thought she was a battered spouse
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 04:35 PM
Jun 2012

Yes she should have served more time in prison but he was the mastermind and he beat the shit out of her to get her to help him.

 

unreadierLizard

(475 posts)
42. That's a matter of opinion.
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 04:49 PM
Jun 2012

A lot of Ontarians, myself included, that she lied about all the whole "He beat me" just to make herself sound sympathetic and that she was the real mastermind behind the murders, not Bernardo.

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