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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 09:15 AM Jun 2012

Why the U.S. Olympic Committee Cracked Down on a Knitting Group

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-06-22/why-the-u-dot-s-dot-olympic-committee-cracked-down-on-a-knitting-group


As it did for the 2008 and 2010 Olympic Games, the online knitting group Ravelry plans next month to host its own Ravelympics, in which thousands of knitters attempt to complete an ambitious project—such as knitting a hat for the first time, or finishing an entire blanket—during the two weeks the Games take place. They form teams and challenge each other to events such as “scarf hockey” and “sock put.” Often people knit their Ravelympic projects while watching the real Olympics on television. As long as a craft is completed, each Ravelete, as the participants call themselves, wins a virtual medal. “The idea was that these amazing events would inspire us and motivate us in our own projects,” says Kimberli Smith, 47, the Ravelry member who first conceived of the Ravelympics.

The first year the knitting games took place, more than 2,000 people completed close to 8,900 projects. This year, more than 7,500 people have signed up. On July 27, the 2012 Ravelympics kicks off with a marathon knit-off during the opening ceremonies of the 2012 London Games. At least, that was the plan. Earlier this week, the U.S. Olympic Committee (USOC) sent the 2 million-member knitting group a cease-and-desist letter, asking them to stop.

“We believe using the name ‘Ravelympics’ for a competition that involves an afghan marathon, scarf hockey and sweater triathlon, among others, tends to denigrate the true nature of the Olympic Games,” the USOC wrote in the letter. “It is disrespectful to our country’s finest athletes and fails to recognize or appreciate their hard work.”




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Why the U.S. Olympic Committee Cracked Down on a Knitting Group (Original Post) xchrom Jun 2012 OP
I'm on Ravelry, have been in the Ravelympics from the beginning, and I'm disgusted. knitter4democracy Jun 2012 #1
If they're so damn worried about "denigrating the games" WolverineDG Jun 2012 #3
Exactly. knitter4democracy Jun 2012 #4
Yeah Stargazer09 Jun 2012 #12
Would that be "denigrating the games" like in plastering your logo A Simple Game Jun 2012 #7
And diapers. knitter4democracy Jun 2012 #25
+1 proud2BlibKansan Jun 2012 #19
I'm on Ravelry, too Stargazer09 Jun 2012 #10
I don't either. knitter4democracy Jun 2012 #23
The OOC is a predatory organization which has bankrupted many cities KurtNYC Jun 2012 #29
Doesn't the Knitting Olympics, as organized by Stephanie Pearl-McPhee and her friends, Bette Noir Jun 2012 #30
Yes, it does. knitter4democracy Jun 2012 #35
I'm on Ravelry, also, and couldn't believe it when I read Casey's post. Arkansas Granny Jun 2012 #36
Same reason the Olympics will never be held in Seattle WolverineDG Jun 2012 #2
I was just thinking about how Seattle must be their personal nightmare area then. Lionessa Jun 2012 #22
Oh my! What did the Olympic Committee have to say to the City of Olympia, then? 1monster Jun 2012 #26
Next thing you know, Olympia Dukakis will get a C&D letter, too. knitter4democracy Jun 2012 #27
They're trying to stop a knit-a-long? surrealAmerican Jun 2012 #5
+99999 eShirl Jun 2012 #16
My thoughts, exactly! Stargazer09 Jun 2012 #21
Yeah, the Brits on Ravelry have been posting some of the insanity happening over there. knitter4democracy Jun 2012 #28
Yes, it's legal. Thank Ted Stevens. knitter4democracy Jun 2012 #24
They manage to take it even further than that at timse Posteritatis Jun 2012 #32
wow.... what can you say? justabob Jun 2012 #6
I recall when they similarly cracked down on Saturday morning's Laff-a-Lympics Orrex Jun 2012 #8
oh they really did? I must have blocked the memory! eShirl Jun 2012 #15
If the full word was used, Stargazer09 Jun 2012 #17
That's a solid and balanced viewpoint, and I concur Orrex Jun 2012 #34
There was a similar case with baseball teams malthaussen Jun 2012 #9
This sounds reminiscent of when ASCAP sued the Girl Scouts over their campfire songbook. HooptieWagon Jun 2012 #11
Horse Dancing "Denigrates the True Nature of the Olympics" IMHO MagickMuffin Jun 2012 #13
Today, Ravelry; tomorrow, Laff-a-lympics? eShirl Jun 2012 #14
LOVED that as a kid. marmar Jun 2012 #18
What a wet sock he is. Lionessa Jun 2012 #20
Have any of the host cities not lost money from sponsoring Olympics? jerseyjack Jun 2012 #31
I can't think of any. knitter4democracy Jun 2012 #37
LA in 1984 may have come out a bit ahead Retrograde Jun 2012 #39
Now I'm really happy that I'll be going backpacking for most of the time the Olympics are staged. HuckleB Jun 2012 #33
wtf? HiPointDem Jun 2012 #38
That's as if the Super Bowl organizers complained about the Puppy Bowl. LiberalEsto Jun 2012 #40

knitter4democracy

(14,350 posts)
1. I'm on Ravelry, have been in the Ravelympics from the beginning, and I'm disgusted.
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 09:25 AM
Jun 2012

I understand having to protect a trademark or losing it, but they're trying to protect part of a word. We didn't use the entire word, just "ympics," and I don't think that's enough for them.

So, they go after an international social networking site with 2 million members with all of that publicity and marking potential instead of seeing if they can get us to pay for licensing rights or paying to use the logo or do anything that would better their brand (what with judging scandals, doping scandals, people still ticked off over professionals being allowed to play).

Morons. They've apologizes twice, and one of the main guys went around on Twitter writing individual apology notes, but they're still telling our site's owners they have to change the name. The site owners are at TNNA (The National Needlework Association's huge June conference where all the fall yarn and pattern lines come out), but we're all hoping this will be settled by next week.

There's serious talk of a boycott, though most are saying they don't want to hurt the athletes. There's also talk of getting Colbert involved by sending him socks because the knitters are harming the Olympics. I might participate in that one.

WolverineDG

(22,298 posts)
3. If they're so damn worried about "denigrating the games"
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 09:40 AM
Jun 2012

they'd start banning professional athletes again & crack down harder on dopers.

knitter4democracy

(14,350 posts)
4. Exactly.
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 10:01 AM
Jun 2012

They had the chance to better their brand and instead went to Crazytown and insulted 2 million crafters from all over the world.

Yes, they apologized, but in their first apology letter, they asked us to send them free handknits. Um, so which is it--do we denigrate the Games, or do we not? Morons.

The USOC won't get any of my money this year. I'm not going to go out of my way to support sponsors like I usually do, and I definitely won't be getting any merchandise this year. Screw them.

Stargazer09

(2,132 posts)
12. Yeah
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 10:36 AM
Jun 2012

I read that first apology, and I think it made things worse.

Someone wrote that insulting over two million people (worldwide!) was the wrong way to encourage people to watch the Games, and the sponsors' ads. I completely agree. I was looking forward to watching the Olympics this summer, even though I prefer the winter sports, BECAUSE OF THE RAVELYMPICS!

Now, I am waiting to see what happens. If the USOC keeps being stupid about this, I will probably just skip the Olympics.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
7. Would that be "denigrating the games" like in plastering your logo
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 10:20 AM
Jun 2012

all over beer bottles, soft drink bottles, chips, and pretzels?

Yup, that is so much classier.

Is Romney still in charge?

knitter4democracy

(14,350 posts)
25. And diapers.
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 11:06 AM
Jun 2012

You can get official Olympics Pampers diapers for your baby to use and then toss into the trash. That doesn't denigrate their brand in any way, not like people knitting Olympic rings necklaces and hats.

Stargazer09

(2,132 posts)
10. I'm on Ravelry, too
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 10:28 AM
Jun 2012

I think the USOC made a stupid move. And I don't buy the "summer intern messed up" excuse, either.

knitter4democracy

(14,350 posts)
23. I don't either.
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 11:01 AM
Jun 2012

Apparently, their standard form letter is pretty insulting. Makes sense considering RMoney used to be with them.

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
29. The OOC is a predatory organization which has bankrupted many cities
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 11:32 AM
Jun 2012

by schmoozing the local politicos and then soaking the taxpayer for Velodromes that will never ever be used again. The cities bare all the costs of hosting but the OOC cuts them out of the TV money that would pay for some of that pricey infrastructure.

Montreal went broke hosting the games and still has a tax on cigarettes to pay for the stadium (and keep it from collapsing) even though they lost their baseball team and the stadium is now of no use. Sarejevo uses their Olympic stadium as a graveyard. Atlanta is likewise still paying for hosting. And I have no idea what became of the Velodromes in these cities (you can't host without a velodrome).

Scandal after scandal, Salt Lake City insider real estate deals and prostitutes....they should give the Olympics a re permanent home and stop bankrupting major cities around the world. If they are truly concerned about the integrity of their athletic brand then maybe they should stop selling their logo to McDonald's (who's ad show what seem to be Olympic athletes chasing french fries).

Other entities using "lympics" btw:

Scooby's All-Star Laff-A-Lympics
Hunger-Lympics
Cookie Dough Lympics
Faux-Lympics
Caveman Ugh-Lympics
(Gold) Pan-O-Lympics (a gold panning competition)
Rugrats Lympics
Willy-Lympics
Cat-O-Lympics
Ivy-Lympics
E-lympics
Agrilympics
Choco-lympics
Gamer-lympics




Bette Noir

(3,581 posts)
30. Doesn't the Knitting Olympics, as organized by Stephanie Pearl-McPhee and her friends,
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 11:50 AM
Jun 2012

predate Ravelry?

I knit a king-sized lace bedspread out of vintage Italian mohair during the last Winter Olympics. In what way does that belittle the effort of the athletes involved in the large-muscle Olympics? I daresay my finger muscles worked as hard as their leg and shoulder muscles.

knitter4democracy

(14,350 posts)
35. Yes, it does.
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 01:04 PM
Jun 2012

Apparently, they didn't go after her, probably because it was obviously not for a commercial purpose, her servers are in Canada, and it was too small.

Ravelry is a commercial enterprise, it's quite a bit larger, and its servers are in the US. Add in all of the companies advertising on the site using the Ravelympics as a marketing tool or even citing the Olympics, and then you have something anyone protecting trademark would take a look at.

I still think they were short-sighted. Look at how much money Stephanie helped raise for Doctors Without Borders, and just think of how much money they could have raised if they'd talked Casey and Jess into charging a dollar a ravatar with the official logo on it or something like it. Big-time money.

Morons.

Arkansas Granny

(31,522 posts)
36. I'm on Ravelry, also, and couldn't believe it when I read Casey's post.
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 01:05 PM
Jun 2012

Of all the things to crack down on as far as "denigrating" the Olympics, I would have never thought of going after needlework. It would be different if we were making items with the Olympic logo on them and selling them, but that's not the case.

WolverineDG

(22,298 posts)
2. Same reason the Olympics will never be held in Seattle
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 09:38 AM
Jun 2012

The IOC **demanded** that everything named "Olympic" be renamed.

knitter4democracy

(14,350 posts)
27. Next thing you know, Olympia Dukakis will get a C&D letter, too.
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 11:07 AM
Jun 2012

I mean, if they have to strenuously defend their trademark . . .

surrealAmerican

(11,362 posts)
5. They're trying to stop a knit-a-long?
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 10:03 AM
Jun 2012

These people are nuts. Is their copyright of the word "olympics" even legal? Surely the name pre-dates their organization.

Stargazer09

(2,132 posts)
21. My thoughts, exactly!
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 10:53 AM
Jun 2012

Ravelry has people from all over the world using it, although the owners are Americans. Several of us pointed out that the USOC doesn't own the word worldwide.

Some of the Brits were saying that their Olympic committee has copyrighted "2012," so I guess things are a bit worse over there.

knitter4democracy

(14,350 posts)
28. Yeah, the Brits on Ravelry have been posting some of the insanity happening over there.
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 11:09 AM
Jun 2012

People getting kicked out of their flats for the summer, handmade seat cushions for the athletes (that they want) now not going to the athletes because a sponsor needed that booth, crazy legal stuff over the trademark, and worse.

knitter4democracy

(14,350 posts)
24. Yes, it's legal. Thank Ted Stevens.
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 11:03 AM
Jun 2012

The name pre-dates it, but they have sole trademark rights in the US, and they are very good at protecting that trademark.

Well, at least in others using it. Scandals on the inside, corruption, and all kinds of mess at the games, not so much.

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
32. They manage to take it even further than that at timse
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 12:20 PM
Jun 2012

There was one case of them going after a company awhile back because it had five circles in its logo and they claimed ownership of any such logo.

Greek restaurants in cities where the Olympics are held are usually required to change colours and sometimes names for the duration of the games, too.

Orrex

(63,218 posts)
8. I recall when they similarly cracked down on Saturday morning's Laff-a-Lympics
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 10:24 AM
Jun 2012

Blue Falcon and Captain Caveman were so disappointed.


Honestly, could there be a shittier move than this? Do you really think that an athlete's performance or experience is cheapened by the fact that somebody somewhere made a hat? Really?

What a bunch of assholes.

Stargazer09

(2,132 posts)
17. If the full word was used,
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 10:49 AM
Jun 2012

I could understand their concern. Yes, the Olympics are a big deal, and yes, they probably should be considered to be the top level of international sports competitions. I get that.

I read somwhere that the USOC cracked down on some group that publicized a "Gay Olympics," and while I disagree with them doing so, I can understand that they have to protect their "Olympics" copyright. "Laff-a-Lympics" and "Ravelympics," on the other hand, aren't the same thing.

Orrex

(63,218 posts)
34. That's a solid and balanced viewpoint, and I concur
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 12:56 PM
Jun 2012

I'm not thrilled that the Olympic Committee grants itself sole access to the word, since the word predates their involvement by several millennia, but I can see what they're getting at. And you're right about altered or truncated versions of the word; I don't see why these should likewise be under the control of the committee.

malthaussen

(17,209 posts)
9. There was a similar case with baseball teams
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 10:27 AM
Jun 2012

... telling Little League teams to stop using their names. I think it goes deeper than "taking one's self too seriously," or even "protection of trademark." I think it is an expression of the greed and self-centeredness that has overtaken our society, and I think it is also sending the subliminal message that even in entertainment or play, we should be dutiful, obedient consumers and only partake of what is provided us by (over)paid "professional" purveyors, and not presume to seek to invent our own games.

The Olympics is a stellar example of this attitude: a competition that used to be about amateurs, now dominated by professionals. The Olympics have been a joke for decades, IMO, but a profitable joke, there is no disputing that.

-- Mal

MagickMuffin

(15,949 posts)
13. Horse Dancing "Denigrates the True Nature of the Olympics" IMHO
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 10:37 AM
Jun 2012

I mean come on Horse Dancing! I don't see anything remotely sporty about it

If they could promote the knitathon and call it a sport they certainly could benefit from it. They could even promote the events so that the finished projects could go to those less fortunate.

knitter4democracy

(14,350 posts)
37. I can't think of any.
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 01:05 PM
Jun 2012

Everyone's lost money. Big-time. Kind of begs the question of who's getting rich, then.

Retrograde

(10,142 posts)
39. LA in 1984 may have come out a bit ahead
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 03:26 PM
Jun 2012

but they made a point of using existing stadiums and other venues and not building anything new if they could get away with it. One of the venues they used was Stanford Stadium, 400 miles north of LA: great for me since it was the only way I was going to see an olympic event.

I don't think any of the subsequent olympics went this route.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
33. Now I'm really happy that I'll be going backpacking for most of the time the Olympics are staged.
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 12:26 PM
Jun 2012

I think we'll have to make shirts that say Pack-A-Lympics for our trips.

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
40. That's as if the Super Bowl organizers complained about the Puppy Bowl.
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 08:11 PM
Jun 2012

It should be beneath the dignity of the US Olympic Committee to make a fuss about this.

But I suppose these are corporate appointees who have too much time on their hands. Maybe they should take up knitting.

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