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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPlease! I'm "effing" begging you. Stop watching the MSM
All of it! They gave us Trump and each second of watching them rewards them.
There are so many threads like
Matthews said this...
Did you see Rachel...
Chuck Todd had this...
Mika and Joe defend...
Just fucking stop it!
Take the time you spend watching MSM and use it to contact The Ohio State University and ask them why their major sports are broadcast on radio stations that carry Limbaugh, Hannity and the rest of the cookie-cutter racists. Hell..Ask all D1 schools the same fucking question.
If you must watch morning blow our the other fucking "potato chips for the brain" infotainment shows, do so only to publish a list of advertisers to contact and stop soliciting.
Hell, I'd pay money to anyone who could develop a program that instead of skipping the ads, only showed the ads. Would make it more efficient to figure out who gets not one penny of my money or one second of my time.
This is fucking war!!! The MSM are the fucking enemy. Stop giving them the time of day
sheshe2
(83,791 posts)elleng
(130,974 posts)HoneyBadger
(2,297 posts)and boycotting the Superbowl. I do not watch network tv ads.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,855 posts)It has become a pretty common occurrence with so many radio stations owned by ClearChannel/iHeartRadio now.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,855 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Just watch that.
And Antiques Roadshow.
HeartachesNhangovers
(814 posts)Generator
(7,770 posts)made themselves collaborators to the end of our democracy by hiring known propagandists from Fox "news" I will never watch them again. I boycotted for a year or so after Bush won and defeated Kerry. But this time i am making myself stick to it. And if Bill Maher has Republicon apologists on his show-I am not watching him either. Enough.
BadgerMom
(2,771 posts)NBC-Universal allows Trump to remain an executive producer on The Apprentice. They are dead to me in all of their forms.
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pintobean
(18,101 posts)maxrandb
(15,334 posts)Even tonight there is a thread here titled; "OK, Greta wasn't that bad"
I mean holy fuck!!!
It's all become potato chips for the brain. Every last show, when you boil it down it's just infotainment. Might as well watch Inside Addition or entertainment tonight
pintobean
(18,101 posts)along with the people you mentioned in your OP.
The MSN would include all cable and network news, along with every major newspaper,news magazine, and news website. Hell, with LBN's guidelines, DU might be considered the MSM.
BigDemVoter
(4,150 posts)He is/was a fucking Republican Congressman from. . . . Florida, I think? He's awful. That fool with whom he broadcasts his horse shit is equally stupid. What's her name? Isn't it Mikah or something along those lines?
Why would ANY progressive watch this fuckery?
Nictuku
(3,614 posts)... it is the only thing on at that time in the morning when I get up (3:00 am Pacific Time). Not even Washington Journal is on yet (I didn't always have to get up so early and that was where I used to get my headlines because they do read headlines from newspapers on that program).
I'm then gone for 13 hours and when I get home am too tired to consume any news. My other outlet is here (on my breaks at work), or listening to Randi's podcast on my way home.
If I could find anything else to watch in that 30 minutes that I have when my alarm goes off and I have to actually get up, I'm up for suggestions.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)ReRe
(10,597 posts)Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)onecaliberal
(32,864 posts)LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)and thee has GOT to be something we can do about it
pintobean
(18,101 posts)nt
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)but it seems you are stalking me from another topic.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)I was in this thread before you. I noticed another silly comment and responded to it. You seem to really want to control people and force them into your line of thinking.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)Did I say to throw people off of DU? Nope. But did it stop you? Nope. Talk about wanting to control people....
pangaia
(24,324 posts)😉😎😎
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)sometimes though....
pintobean
(18,101 posts)"there has GOT to be something we can do about it" too?
I don't watch the crap, myself. But I have no desire to try to force others to be like me. DUers have always discussed what's happening on cable 'news'.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I'm yet looking for anyone attempting to force others to be like anyone or anything. However, if that wee bit of creative fiction is necessary for your bias to continue healthy, vibrant and unwounded, more power to ya!
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Jetboy
(792 posts)The next second I spend worrying about what some corporate paid shill has to say will be the first in a very long time.
brooklynite
(94,598 posts)The MSM isn't pro-Trump; it's pro-ratings.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)is where it's at. At least on GOT they kill off all the aholes in super nasty ways that we can only dream about in the real world.
Stonepounder
(4,033 posts)Although I do try and get my news. I watch Stephen Colbert and Seth Meyers. I can usually get a pretty good idea of the latest happenings from them.
SCantiGOP
(13,871 posts)Don't want to argue, and I do see your position, but I can't buy into shutting myself off from the world that everyone else sees.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)to discern fact from opinion.
I don't watch Fox News propaganda or AM Joe because of the excessive demonstrable lies, but there are facts buried everywhere in M$M, and to just turn it over to the rightwing propaganda machine with 'the left' checking out is only feeding the beast.
CNN and afternoon/evening MSNBC are still watchable. So is BBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, PBS. If we stop watching, they will all follow the Fox News model - which remains #1 in cable news - since "we" don't watch the "other" news.
When we subscribe to and support the Washington Post and the New York Times - and Vanity Fair! - we send a message. "This is the news and opinion we want to hear."
If the Wall Street Journal gets all the subscribers, that's all we get.
crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)I only watch news programming when staying at hotels.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,370 posts)Then it's OK, right?
How much do I love being told what to do, think, watch or feel by other DU'ers?
Lots
Kilgore
(1,733 posts)liberal N proud
(60,336 posts)UTUSN
(70,710 posts)SlimJimmy
(3,180 posts)hunter
(38,317 posts)I generally read our local papers and their websites for local news, and the BBC for national and international news. Their biases are fairly consistent and easily accounted for.
I also read quite a few more specialized science and technology websites and journals.
My television only plays movies. That's all it does. No cable, no satellite, no broadcast, and best of all, no advertising. I like to find DVDs in thrift stores, and recent movies show up on Redbox soon enough. I'm also becoming an aficionado of Netflix. One of our kids is an enthusiastic fan of lower to medium budget movies and television series, especially the screenwriting, and it's rubbed off on me.
I feel like I'm pretty well informed. But I don't know any of the newscasters people talk about here. Greta, Rachel, Tweety, huh???
UTUSN
(70,710 posts)opposition sources are not able to detect the bias. In fact, doing the detecting is the basic reason for monitoring those. This has been said many times over the DU years: "Hold your friends close but your enemies closer."
The flip side is not to only hear what we want to hear. That's what most Faux Propaganda Network fans do, is to patronize the outlet that tells them what they agree with.
It's opposition-research, watching out for what "they" are up to and therefore figuring out how to counter them.
It's critical thinking - processing what's being put in front of us and separating what is b.s.
There's a short story somewhere that I can't find anymore by Romain ROLLAND from during and about the rise of Fascism, in which a highly cultured, educated, High Art fellow, a professor, is totally shocked and appalled when he realizes what is happening with the coming establishment of horrific barbarity. So he shuts himself up in his estate with his paintings, music, books. Solitary confinement in his world the way he wants it to be. That's about what the head-in-the-sand is about.
hunter
(38,317 posts)I was having an increasing number of wtf? moments in casual conversations with right wing Catholics and Evangelicals. They were acting like Trump was God's Chosen One. That didn't come from television, that came from their church communities.
Another ugly batch of Trump supporters were the naive Libertarians on technical boards, the vast majority of them affluent white guys who are EXTREMELY uncomfortable around women and minorities, to the point they will harass any who step onto their turf.
The biggest threat to our democracy is these affluent white guys, those who voted for Trump, and those who couldn't bring themselves to vote for Hillary Clinton.
I think the Democratic Party needs to be the party of EVERYONE else, even if it means supporting candidates who are to the right of the average DU poster. The party also needs more women, especially women who can connect with the concerns of "red state" women voters.
My own views are radically socialist, and I'm an environmental extremist. (I think the interstate highway system was one of the great catastrophes of the 20th century and I loathe automobiles and airliners...) Nevertheless I enthusiastically supported Obama and Clinton. My voting is entirely practical. Here in the U.S.A. I'll never be able to enjoy the representation of a politician who shares my views.
I don't need to watch television news to come to any of these conclusions.
UTUSN
(70,710 posts)based on who you interact with.
Anthony BOURDAIN had a show on "Rome" in which he featured a woman who is totally world-weary, blasé, turned off by politics, who has never voted and never will, and she said that all she cares to know about is what goes on and affects her own neighborhood. Pretty much the same as the ROLLAND story.
Anyway, you and I can't convince each other, we're just clarifying.
On (my) bright side, here you are at DU and this is probably enough for a glimpse into some of what is going on out there, which is fine with me, not that you need my approval or to meet my expectations, haha.
hunter
(38,317 posts)But yeah, I do get glimpses of what's happening on television here on DU. It's the only place I see clever television commercials. It's the only place I see Colbert, or SNL.
The few television ads for Clinton I saw, I saw here.
UTUSN
(70,710 posts)So: Colbert/SNL/Clinton-ads - looks like even here you select what you want. Fine. O.K., as I said (repeating myself), there is no goal here of you and I convincing each other, and when things start repeating, the futility of continuing the non-discussion speaks for itself.
elmac
(4,642 posts)and when I did it was free stream, cut my cable TV a year ago.
SlimJimmy
(3,180 posts)Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Who else will even say that? They contributed to the takeover. However, they are still better than fox and CNN, with their eyelash fluttering Republican panelists, who get equal or more time than real journalists.
Kilgore
(1,733 posts)heh
randr
(12,412 posts)Some very unAmerican people have injected a distrust of information into our discussions in order to distract and divide us.
The twisted values of Trump and the people he has infected with his hatred are the enemy.
Media outlets that spread fake news and spread obvious propaganda are not the MSM, our American press and media.
The world, of late, has become very black and white. The grey area is the swamp. Know what side you are on.
The demoralization of the MSM is part of the problem. The 1st Amendment is our most important right and freedom. We can not allow distrust of this American institution to separate us. The MSM is the exercise of this right and when we deny the validity of the institution we are very close to losing this essential right.
You have a mind, use it. Learn how to listen and make your own decisions based on your principles. Do not think you can gain any ground by beating the messenger.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)to discern facts if one cares to look. Not popular view around here, though.
maxrandb
(15,334 posts)It should no longer be able to hide behind the protections of the 1st Amendment.
Germany had a free press until they didn't. If I recall, it didn't take long for that change to occur.
Refusing to watch, or better yet... Boycotting their advertisers to stop blatant propaganda is essential to preserving freedom of speech...Not destroying it
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)apcalc
(4,465 posts)Bucky
(54,027 posts)All those "fuckings" just make you look hysterical, which undermines the urgency of whatever cause you're talking about.
Thekaspervote
(32,778 posts)Not going back anytime soon! Thanks for posting
Rex
(65,616 posts)That was cable, I actually became aware of the scam the media runs back in the early 1990s. Changed the way I see the world, was forced to look for information and not be spoon fed it by propaganda artists.
FairWinds
(1,717 posts)time for Maxrand to work on his vocabulary.
His (got to be male) language only distracts from his
message - such as it is.
He might want to expend a little effort and give some
real arguments and evidence for his views.
(He might start by reading some McChesney & Solomon - both Bill and Norm)
maxrandb
(15,334 posts)And sometimes I use Boatswain's Mate language.
I am also not advocating "head in the sand" shutting off the world.
I am frustrated by the Dems lack of fight and complacency.
I began warning over 20 years ago about hate radio. I saw it turn my brother from a sane Union family Democrat into a right-wing Rushbot in less than a year.
I have been stationed all over this country. Do you know that in deep blue California on the drive from Lemoore in the central valley to San Diego, there are spots where EVERY AM station you can tune in has Limbaugh and Hannity spewing their racist antidemocratic hate-filled propaganda?
Blue cities that went 70-30 in favor of Hillary have nothing but hate-filled Retrumplican propaganda on their most powerful and influential radio stations. Why do we sit back and allow that?
Universities that are supposed to be bastions of critical thinking and learning broadcast their overly African American athletes sports on stations that spend the other 165 hours a week broadcasting racism hatred and anti-intellectualism.
Sorry if my language sometimes offends. I'm more offended by the lack of fight.
FairWinds
(1,717 posts)thanks for being civil.
I totally agree about Reich Wing hate radio - it has totally
transformed the political culture where I live in north central
Ohio, and not for the better.
Others agree with us - I met a former state senator from Iowa
a few weeks ago who is equally alarmed.
It amazes me that Dem leaders do not take the hate radio threat
seriously - they ignore it at their great peril, and ours too
unfortunately.
Thekaspervote
(32,778 posts)Plenty plenty of news to stream from sources that are real and accurate. BBC, guardian, NYT, here, politisusa just to name a few. The msm plays nice to don the con because it sells. Why would anyone want to listen to that??
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)I haven't watched a "mainstream" news show in ages.
Between online offerings, Free Speech TV, and websites like this one, I think I have a pretty good idea what's going on. I don't need Chuck Todd to spoon feed me his worthless "analysis". In fact, I can pretty much predict what he'll have to say on any subject.
byronius
(7,395 posts)Which is how it should be.
TomCADem
(17,390 posts)I guess Trump has some ideological soul mates DU.
http://www.thewrap.com/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-dishonest-media-new-york-times-twitter-rampage/
Donald Trump stepped up his attack on the media Sunday with a series of tweets accusing the press of protecting Hillary Clinton, writing false stories about him, and even bias coverage of this rallies.
I am not only fighting Crooked Hillary, I am fighting the dishonest and corrupt media and her government protection process, Trump wrote. People get it!
He followed up shortly after with, It is not freedom of the press when newspapers and others are allowed to say and write whatever they want even if it is completely false!
Trump repeatedly called the New York Times failing during the series of tweets, and wasnt shy about his opinion that the media is covering for Clinton. He sent eight anti-media tweets in a 24-hour period, typically slipping in a Clinton jab in addition to the assault on press.
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)flamingdem
(39,313 posts)and especially Lawrence O'Donnell.
They get stories we wouldn't have otherwise.
Their analysis helps and Rachel knocked Conway off her throne in her interview
still_one
(92,219 posts)essentially just receive the locals. No CNN, no MSNBC, no fox, no CNBC, and couldn't be happier,
I would not presume a value judgement on those who wish to utilize their services
To me it is a waste of time. It is based on sensationalism, exaggeration, and lies.
Each to our own though
Laffy Kat
(16,383 posts)So I have stopped de facto. Unfortunately, I've been watch equally stupid stuff: true crime, etc.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,862 posts)I decided not to get a TV for a couple of reasons. First was that I didn't feel as if I could afford the TV itself, nor the cost of cable. I'd been recently divorced and had limited financial resources. The other reason, that seems trivial but was actually quite important, was that the only place to locate a TV in my new apartment would be directly in front of the only window in the living room. This was in New Mexico, with that very strong Northern New Mexico light, which would have meant keeping the blinds drawn on that window any time I might want to watch TV. Which would have been blocking out part of that window anyway.
The financial reasons really were more important, but I thought of this as an experiment. Something temporary. Even though I'd been without TV four or so previous times in my life, I didn't see this as permanent. In the past I'd always gone back to TV, so no doubt I would at some point this time. Well, to be honest, the earlier longest no TV period, some six or so years, had only ended when I moved in with the man I eventually married (and the divorce from whom led me to this latest no TV experiment) who had a TV and an early version of cable.
I don't want to be totally trashing TV. There are lots of good things to watch, even if you and I differ about what's good.
But here's the essential point. If you have regular TV, whether by cable, satellite, or one of the marvelous antennas or boxes so readily available now, you are locked into their system. You watch when they broadcast. So okay, you might have some recording system, but trust me, you are still locked into their schedule.
I'm not totally cut off from what's out there. I watch on the internet. I have Hulu, Netflix, and Amazon, and I'm sure I'm missing several other excellent sources of shows. PBS is pretty good about putting shows up on their website. And in truth, there are very many excellent shows out there, too many to keep up with no matter how you watch.
But here's the main thing I want to point out. No commercials. None. Zip. Nada. When first relocated, in 2008, I was somewhat astonished at the lack of commercials, especially political ones, given it was an major election year. And I'd been watching normal TV (cable) for a number of years at that point. Wow. How nice. I get to make decisions about who I'll vote for based on what I think of the candidates, not ads telling me that someone I might otherwise vote for has been torturing hamsters since 7th grade.
Another interesting point. For a long time, whenever I was in a hotel room (and I'm in one at least three times a year, often more) I'd turn on the TV and see what was on. I found I was made crazy by the advertising. So much so, that at least a year ago the TV in my room became invisible. I simply didn't turn it on.
As for breaking news, no problem. Whenever I see something like that, such as the recent shootings at the Fort Lauderdale airport, I simply Google TV stations in that city. Usually at least one is live streaming their coverage, which is often much better than what I'd get on CNN or any of the other networks. The point is, I don't miss any real news. And I'm not sucked into things like wall to wall coverage of a relatively trivial event.
Oh. And I read books. What a novel concept.
So my advice to anyone who cares: cut the cord. Get rid of cable or the satellite or whatever. DO NOT think of it as permanent. Think of it as an experiment (as I did). If you're happy without, great. Continue that. If you are miserable without, go back, and no apologies to anyone.
GusBob
(7,286 posts)Did they ever find the WMDs they were so breathlessly sputtering on about?
That and reality shows got me off the idiot box
Haven't missed a goddamned thing
To each their own though
TomJulie
(98 posts)All these MSM is now so depressing. My wife and I pick and chose what we want to read or watch from the Internet.
Cha
(297,317 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Alternative news is not the answer. As we saw, there's tons of fake news out there, being spread around the Internet.
Instead of boycotting MSM, we need to watch it with care and check it ourselves.
We need to watch everything we can and work to sort it all out.
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,841 posts)I'd add, not only fact check the MSM but hold them accountable when they lie or get lazy.
Iggo
(47,558 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)Nevernose
(13,081 posts)If so, I couldn't agree more. MSM, however, includes lots of reputable sources.
geomon666
(7,512 posts)It's nothing but poison and a distraction.
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)is pretty bad.. I'll tune in when I need to - like last night for Bernies town hall forum... good stuff, for the most part.
FreeStateDemocrat
(2,654 posts)It is all about ratings and money so don't be an enabler.
pansypoo53219
(20,981 posts)those dummy vids need to go far & wide.
RealityChik
(382 posts)Not really, but I need frequent doses of pathos to keep from going insane!
The only MSM person I tune in for is Chris Hayes. Otherwise, TV broadcast news is a waste of time. On radio, still love Democracy Now. Used to be a Thom Hartmann fan but now, not so much. He has lost his edge--he doesn't do controversy anymore. On the web, over the last 4-5 years, I even consider Huffpost, BBC News and Raw Story to be MSM. I do love The Guardian, tho.
I use an RSS feed for all my news from dozens and dozens of news websites and blogs. Too time consuming to visit ALL those websites individually every day.
And, of course, DU at least twice daily.