OK, riddle me this .. regarding Sanders.

[ananda]

Why are the biggest Dems and the supposedly liberal media
suddenly attacking Bernie Sanders?

This .. makes .. no .. sense.

Trump, Putin, and the GOP need to be attacked every damm hour!

But not our good guys!

[SHRED]

1. Many here are still fighting the primaries

It's sad.

[LiberalLovinLug]

34. Even though they won

Which is petty AND sad.

[brer cat]

46. And some who lost.

[LWolf]

60. Yes.

Except that they didn't really win. Their primary win led to the GE loss, and they will never accept that, so they need a scapegoat.

[ananda]

72. This makes sense.

But it's so divisive and harmful.

Even Obama's doing it.

We need officials like Sanders and Warren helping us
fight our battles, standing together!

I think that even Clinton would get behind them,
at least I hope so!

[m-lekktor]

79. I thought Obama blaming Bernie supporters for his shitty ACA was off the rails whack.

The DEM party is a fucking mess.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

84. In Obama's defense, he did no such thing.

That was bullshit spin by bitter losers looking to make Bernie supporters a scapegoat for our loss.

These bitter losers, ironically, don't mind twisting President Obama's words and furthering repig spin that the ACA is so unpopular it must be repealed - as long as it helps extract their pound of flesh they feel is their due.

If you read the full quote, you see President Obama is in fact defending ACA against the repig spin that 40% are dissatisfied with the ACA therefore 40% want the program repealed.

He is saying that among the 40% dissatisfied with ACA, are a contingent of people (Bernie supporters) who want the ACA enhanced or strengthened.

Full quote:

"And the third thing is that the polls — whenever you look at polls showing 40 percent are supportive of the law, 40 percent or so are dissatisfied, in the dissatisfied column are a whole bunch of Bernie Sanders supporters who want a single-payer plan. The problem is not that they think it’s a failure. The problem is that they don’t think it went far enough. That it left too many people uncovered, the subsidies were not as rich as they should have been, that there was a way of dealing with prescription drug makers in a way that would drive down those costs. All of those things meant that even after the law was passed, there were still going to be a lot of tough politics."

[Jim Lane]

87. Thanks! Headlines saying Obama "blamed" Bernie were just clickbait. (nt)

[KPN]

50. EXACTLY!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

2. I stand by anybody, within the bounds of reason, who opposes Trump.

Bernie opposes Trump therefore I stand with Bernie.

The larger the Resistance the better.

[ananda]

73. Thank you!

My sentiments exactly!

[baldguy]

3. Because, after Democrats correctly rejected him to lead their party

He's taking up false RW talking points to attack them.

[truebluegreen]

6. Because Some would rather blame others

rather than look at themselves.

[baldguy]

10. Which is precisly what Sanders is doing.

[LiberalLovinLug]

39. So Sanders should criticise himself?

Not even sure what you puritans want anymore. No help or feedback from anyone not in the club, we know that much.

I can only imagine the hate if he had instead won the primary but lost the general.

[baldguy]

45. Yes, introspection should always be a part of a postmortum after a loss. Sanders lost big.

The fact that he continued his campaign after his loss - and continues even this day - can only have helped Trump.

OTOH the Democratic candidate in the general election got the most votes, in spite of those forces arrayed against her. The only reason she didn't "win" is because it was stolen.

[OldYallow]

55. And Taking All Them Wall Street Millions For Speechifying

Didn't play any part at all in Hillary's loss?

It's amazing how many people still don't get it.

We can't "criticize" Democrats actions in any way or we will be banned from DU.

How the heck can we fix our problems when we can't talk about them?

[baldguy]

59. You & Bernie can keep fighting his losing campaign.

[OldYallow]

63. I'd rather start

Winning elections......

[LiberalLovinLug]

90. That's the disconect

Some of you think the things Bernie is STILL fighting for, and HAS been fighting for before the primaries, was just a bunch of campaign slogans. And so you may be confused as to why he is still talking.

Get your head in the game and realize that he does not live in that bubble of trying to say the right things just to get elected. It just happens that many Americans were ready for his message...if they had a chance to hear it. And because his idea are not just temporary slogans, they transcend petty party politics that seem to be all the rage in here. Or if he has the right letter in front of his name.

[Hekate]

74. Wow, OldYallow, you sure seem to know a lot about what it takes to get "banned from DU."

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Actual criticism won't do it. Continual lashing out at all things Dem just might.

[panader0]

44. But equating him with Trump as you did in this post is way over the line.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028440835

[panader0]

49. yer crackin' me up over here baldie

[baldguy]

52. Laughing is Stage 2.

I think you've got the sequence reversed.

[uponit7771]

78. Noting Russia interefered with our elections is blaming others?

[truebluegreen]

86. ...regarding Sanders...." making up RW talking points...."

um, yeah.

[Chasstev365]

4. Bernie was more of a threat to the interests of corporations than Hillary

Hate me all you want, but it's the truth.

Now that people may start waking up to the fact that they got played by Trump, the media will double down on anyone who still believes in the New Deal.

[truebluegreen]

8. Yup. I think Party leaders would rather lose

than win with an actual progressive.

[truebluegreen]

12. Don't be silly. I don't hate you.

I pity you.

[Chasstev365]

13. Ouch, is what I might have said in 5th Grade!

[Chasstev365]

14. Only kidding :)

[ananda]

75. That's the underlying current behind these attacks, probably.

Corporatism is the cancer of this country.

[Kolesar]

5. Peel the Burn!

Who is attacking him?

[otohara]

7. Who Are These Biggest Dems

and why is the supposed liberal media giving him another town hall format tomorrow?
Does he still go on FOX regularly?

So few details in your post.

[Alekzander]

9. Totally agree. What the hell was that thread allowed to run on here anyway & not just once but it

several links on the DU Page?

Bernie ran a really good primary, don't know if he could have won the election or not, past history but regardless the things he said, the issues he covered were all important for the working class & would be good policies. The same with Warren who fights hard for everyone who can use the help.

Have no clue why he is being attacked but they are still doing it here on DU as well. Personally, I supported him & still do but when Clinton was the nominee, supported her.

There is a time & place to move on & unite for our common good.

[ananda]

76. Same here.

Now he's fighting and speaking out against Trump!

I love this!

[flamingdem]

11. Please inform as to the attacks on Bernie?

I haven't seen them - don't know what topics are involved.

I did notice that there was divisive reporting saying that Obama thought Bernie attacked Obamacare too much during the primaries. That looked planted to create division.

Are the attacks related to ACA?

[otohara]

15. Total Bullshit OP

Christ the Dems and the "liberal" media are bending over backwards for Sanders.

[babylonsister]

16. This:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2675405

[flamingdem]

18. Thanks very much. Didn't see that

I'm just not sure Perez is the man for the job.

I wanted to resist Ellison because of the real issue of Jewish support for the party especially financially.

But Ellison has impressed me. He's really sharp and fiery. Perez just seems to bland, but I think he'll win.

[babylonsister]

19. I've always liked Ellison,

and have recently heard Perez. I don't have a dog in this fight; they both seem to have our interests at heart, so may the best man win.

[flamingdem]

21. True, in fact Ellison said he's friends with Perez

and recognizes they would both excel at the job.

[BainsBane]

38. How does that guy constitute the " biggest Dems"?

Peter Rosenstein? I don't think so.

Biggest Dems imply the major figures in the party, like Schumer and Pelosi.

[nini]

17. Almost everything I'm seeing is related to the Russia stuff AND the trumpster in general.

??

[Binkie The Clown]

20. The attacks come from "Party First" people who put the good of the country in second place. n/t

[AgadorSparticus]

22. Trolls sewing discord amongst us. And people fall for it everytime.

[uponit7771]

23. Yes because I hear very few Washington dems attack Sanders

[AgadorSparticus]

25. We just need to move on from all of this.

[BainsBane]

42. It would help to move on

If Bernie stopped chastising Democrats in the press and if his primary supporters would let up a bit. The campaign to annoint him sage and savior is backfiring. People can only take so much.

People who didn't support Bernie in the primary will come around if he can show results, if we see him accomplish something. But do we really need a tribute thread for every single TV appearance?

[RiverStone]

29. Yep! 1+

Agree

[Nitram]

24. Calm down, take a deep breath, get a grip, the "biggest Dems" are not "attacking" Bernie.

Examples and links, please.

[ananda]

80. Yes they are.

Obama just came out and blamed Bernie for Clinton's loss.

This is SO WRONG it beggars belief.

And the Huffington Post also blamed him.

Me -- I think Sanders made Clinton a better person and
a great candidate!

I voted for her with pride, thanks to Sanders!

[brush]

26. And Sanders should do the same instead of his continuing attacks on the party

[nolabear]

27. Show me. Because I'm not seeing that.

Seems to me he's getting air time and press for his actions.

[portlander23]

28. It's not about Bernie, Bernie is a proxy

The progressive wing of the party got active in 2016, and now they want to take over the party leadership. The neoliberal establishment wants to keep control. It's just an intra-party squabble and Sanders makes for a decent proxy for attacking the progressive wing.

[BainsBane]

47. The impression I get from your OPs

Is that it's all about Bernie and only Bernie.

[hollowdweller]

30. Because he's leading the charge.

I don't think it's really liberal democrats.

I mean there's some who just can't get over the election and need to blame someone.

However I think that it's the Russians and Republican trolls because they want to do anything they can to sew division and keep the dems divided.

If they can keep us fighting the primary then they can roll right in.

[MineralMan]

31. Who do you think those biggest Dems are?

Name some major players in the Democratic Party who are attacking Bernie Sanders?

Nobody on DU qualifies, by the way, as a "biggest Dem."

You're making some claims. I'm asking you to back them up by naming names. I'll wait here...

[secondwind]

32. Amen. Enough already.

[BainsBane]

33. Who?

Schumer, who put him in the party leadership? Who is attacking Sanders? I've heard plenty of attacks by Sanders toward Democrats, but you'll have to be more specific about who these "biggest Dems" are and what they are saying.

[mcar]

35. Links please

[boston bean]

36. ummm... what big dems are criticizing Bernie...

I've seen Bernie doing a lot of dem criticizing, though.. please expound.

[jalan48]

37. Bernie's ideas are a threat to Wall Street and the big banks.

The corporate media represents the interests of these institutions and the people who take money from them.

[Historic NY]

56. Well all his supporters that stayed home or wrote his name in sure fixed that..

didn't they, in the end. Suck it up because its going to pretty bumpy. If you couldn't see the forest through the tree's then you'll live with the consequences for the next 4 - 8 yrs maybe even more if the Republicans stay in power. Bernie talks a whole lot.

[jalan48]

61. He should have been giving more speeches to Goldman Sachs?

Oh-right-it's about his supporters and not Wall Street. Time to turn the page.....

[Historic NY]

64. And we saw they were pretty benign in the end.....

didn't we.

[jalan48]

65. Yes-just one big happy party

[elleng]

40. 'Biggest Dems?'

Who, beyond a bunch of DUers? Senator Sanders was selected by Senator Schumer to serve as Outreach guy, right?

[joanbarnes]

41. Sanders: Huge progressive out there fighting EVERY DAY; not hiding in shame like Dems.

[BainsBane]

43. By fighting

You mean appearing on television, I presume.

[ananda]

82. Thank you!

And he has a real backbone.

[Tarheel_Dem]

51. Because many here are trying to ram Sanders down our throats as some sort of "leader" of.....

the Democratic party. I have no intention of being "lead" anywhere by BS, and I hope the Democratic caucus feels the same way.

[bravenak]

85. this

[NRaleighLiberal]

53. here we go again. postmortem forum material (esp many of the responses).

[JHB]

68. +kajillion, MRL

[NRaleighLiberal]

81. .

like groundhog around here...way too often.

[treestar]

54. What attacks?

Maybe because he attacks us a lot?

[brutus smith]

57. Other than Warren,

who else besides Bernie is calling out trump and repubs everyday?

[BainsBane]

62. Shelia Jackson Lee

And a number of House Democrats. http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/no-trump-electoral-college-challenge-233294

Not one Senator backed their motion. Not Warren or Bernie. In 2004, Boxer was the only Senator to object to the EC vote, not Bernie.

[brutus smith]

67. Actually,

it would have been a good time for Schumer to sign the objection and unify the party.

[BainsBane]

89. Perhaps

But your claim that Bernie is the only one fighting clearly isn't true.

[Nevernose]

58. The "biggest Dems" just gave him a leadership position

In the senate.

Obama criticized him on one specific issue, but overall has supported him.

Refighting the primaries, creating artificial divisions amongst Democrats, exploding minor differences, is literally Fascist Putin's game plan.

And DU is getting played.

[malaise]

69. +1,000

I can't believe some of what I read here

[hunter]

70. Sanders was not a unifying force.

The most dangerous force today in U.S. politics are the affluent white guys who don't want to admit women and minorities into their clubhouse. Those are the guys who plotted out Trump's victory.

The Democratic Party ought to be the party of EVERYONE else, and yes this means we're going to have to support a few Democrats who lean to the right of most DU posters. I figure about 40% of U.S. Americans don't recognize fascism and other forms of authoritarianism when they see it. They might even like those they regard as "strong" leaders, even when the roll is played by an actor such as Ronald Reagan, or a venal and narcissistic reality television star like Donald Trump.

Personally, I've always been forced to vote for politicians to my right. Jerry Brown and Barrack Obama are both right of me, and even right-of-center compared to most first world social democracies. But I aggressively support both of them. Sanders is also to my right.

Obama is one of the great presidents in U.S. history, Trump will be one of the worst. Trump makes Arnold Schwarzenegger look like an intellectual, and I say this as someone who suffered through Schwarzenegger's governorship.

[Hekate]

71. I just watched some of the better Sunday shows, and NOT ONCE was Sanders mentioned

They are all over Trump, Trump's fragile ego, and Putin's interference with our election.

Wassamatta?

[uponit7771]

77. +1, bullshit ass'd shit starting OP with ambiguous dem bad folks

[ananda]

83. Good!

I'm hoping these recent attacks will pass like water under the bridge.

[Tarheel_Dem]

88. It was made up, as it often is.

[LiberalLovinLug]

91. Exactly, because his ideas are dangerous to both parties elites

And the corporate press. Just like during the primaries, ignorance is bliss.

[BainsBane]

92. I know

He was only on TV Monday- Sat of last week. The MSM and PTB are obvious terrified of him, between the CNN town Hall and appearances on a number of cable news shows.
They should understand six days a week Bernie coverage is inadequate. The media blackout continues. Imagine having the audacity to cover the Russian hack and incoming president? If they were real journalists rather than corporate lackies, they would devote themselves to Bernie 24/7.