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packman

(16,296 posts)
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 12:00 PM Jan 2017

Fake Olive Oil Companies Revealed Stop Buying These Brands Now

Last edited Sun Jan 8, 2017, 12:45 PM - Edit history (1)



If you weren't aware of it - 70%, yes - 70%- of olive oil sold in the U.S. is fake. Basically, it's the left-overs from quality olive oil sold in Europe and around the globe (Those stupid Americans will buy anything). Get a tanker full of oil, mix this with that type of oil (sunflower and such) and bottle it in a nice jar with maybe a olive pasted on the front - who'll know the difference.

AVOID THESE BRANDS:
•Pompeian
•Bertolli
•Colavita
•Star
•Sasso
•Antica Badia
•Primadonna
•Carapelli
•Mazola
•Felippo Berio
•Safeway
•Whole Foods
•Carapelli
•Coricelli
•Mezzetta

And these are good ones:

•Corto Olive
•Ottavio
•Omaggio
•Bariani Olive Oil
•Lucini
•Kirkland Organic
•Lucero
•Olea Estates
•McEvoy Ranch Organic
•Cobram Estate
•California Olive Ranch

Site gives a simple refrig test for olive oil and more info:

http://www.anonews.co/olive-oil-fake/

Personal Note: Bought and used Bertolli for years , if not decades. On a suggestion bought and used California Olive - God, what a difference. Life's too short, get the good stuff - you're worth it.

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Fake Olive Oil Companies Revealed Stop Buying These Brands Now (Original Post) packman Jan 2017 OP
Bragg Organic is not on the list flamingdem Jan 2017 #1
They're the real deal. tenorly Jan 2017 #123
thanks! flamingdem Jan 2017 #128
Buon Pranzo! tenorly Jan 2017 #144
Neither is MalWart's Daily Chef catmando Jan 2017 #133
I heard about this a few years ago. GreenEyedLefty Jan 2017 #2
I just checked some Cal. Oilve oil at an online store, the harvest date is over a year old. dixiegrrrrl Jan 2017 #59
Oh, I'll make sure to check that next time I'm at the store. GreenEyedLefty Jan 2017 #122
Yes and I thought our goverment cleaned this up. I am rejoining Costco classykaren Jan 2017 #142
Shoot! That sucks! Squinch Jan 2017 #3
Kirkland is Costco Cha Jan 2017 #4
Costco has great stuff. They carry both the California Ranch and their own Dream Girl Jan 2017 #89
Love kirkland and Kerry Gold Butter ! The Best! eom LittleGirl Jan 2017 #140
Kirkland??? But I don't need a 50 gallon drum since I stopped hosting orgies NightWatcher Jan 2017 #5
You don't need virgin olive oil for an orgy Kolesar Jan 2017 #15
Bravo!! Kilgore Jan 2017 #21
nothing about organic...what's the deal? wordpix Jan 2017 #80
LOL DashOneBravo Jan 2017 #35
The best stuff Costco sells comes in 1L bottles not fooled Jan 2017 #72
Never stop hosting orgies IronLionZion Jan 2017 #109
What about Trader Joe's? BainsBane Jan 2017 #6
There's a good article here... C Moon Jan 2017 #66
Great. The Greek is the one I buy BainsBane Jan 2017 #71
Thanks for this info. democratisphere Jan 2017 #7
Thanx! marybourg Jan 2017 #8
Give it the refrig. test packman Jan 2017 #17
Not a reliable test, according to UC Davis: 7962 Jan 2017 #50
Not surprised...the "fridge test" is from (wait for it) The Dr. Oz Show Crash2Parties Jan 2017 #54
Bullshit jberryhill Jan 2017 #97
CA tried to get an official OrwellwasRight Jan 2017 #9
It passed. California Olive Oil Council: trof Jan 2017 #47
Reason #4581 that California is wonderful. More to come over the next 4 years... Crash2Parties Jan 2017 #53
That's not a national standard though. OrwellwasRight Jan 2017 #100
Here's a link: OrwellwasRight Jan 2017 #102
My friend is from Corning, California, which bills itself as the world olive capital. NBachers Jan 2017 #60
Similar things happen in Europe. OrwellwasRight Jan 2017 #101
What about Genco? underpants Jan 2017 #10
Give it the fridge test packman Jan 2017 #19
I was joking. Look at the logo - it was the basis of wealth and cover business for Vito Corleone underpants Jan 2017 #20
HA- Got me - good one packman Jan 2017 #26
Might be a little hard to do... Docreed2003 Jan 2017 #23
Nice Easter Egg from one of my fav movies! Docreed2003 Jan 2017 #25
It's a very fluid business underpants Jan 2017 #67
Genco: An Olive Oil You Can't Refuse Auggie Jan 2017 #85
Don Ciccio didn't like Genco Olive oil so much.... winstars Jan 2017 #98
Kick for my next shopping trip Cracklin Charlie Jan 2017 #11
while tests carried out on olive oil between 2008 and 2010 revealed that many store-vended oils did Kolesar Jan 2017 #12
Not the point - some olive oil diluted still being sold as "Olive Oil" packman Jan 2017 #18
There was no study to see if other oils were being substituted into the olive oil Kolesar Jan 2017 #24
Good to know. I have purchased many of those brands on the no-buy list smirkymonkey Jan 2017 #13
I only use Genco. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #14
Yes! underpants Jan 2017 #22
Bariani is good stuff. The cheap stuff tastes nothing like it. LeftyMom Jan 2017 #16
please dont post fake news. mopinko Jan 2017 #27
It has been verified that a lot of imported olive oil The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2017 #33
that doesnt make this not fake news. mopinko Jan 2017 #37
Did you see some of the other stories They_Live Jan 2017 #36
Some corroboration for the story from a couple of years ago: bhikkhu Jan 2017 #84
This has been out there for a long time, definitely not fake Dream Girl Jan 2017 #90
FYI - The study this is based on is from 2010... ksoze Jan 2017 #28
Hey, didn't he play right field for the Cleveland Indians? Kolesar Jan 2017 #30
Note in the letter - Nowhere did he state the quality of his oil packman Jan 2017 #31
A book came out a few years ago - "Extra Virginity" The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2017 #29
I've got a full bottle of Bertolli to use up. Thanks for the info. It will be the last. Vinca Jan 2017 #32
Before you give up any oil that you really like read Snopes on the matter Maru Kitteh Jan 2017 #48
Thanks - you don't know what to believe these days. Vinca Jan 2017 #57
The label extra virgin implies a quality standard not there so fake works for me George Eliot Jan 2017 #115
I Have to say that something familiar, like Pompeiann you can see it's not quality , but there are lunasun Jan 2017 #34
I thought Pompeian admitted to using a mix of different country of origin OLIVE oils years ago Freethinker65 Jan 2017 #43
The majority of good olive oil is produced in Greece, but purchased in bulk, then bottled Nitram Jan 2017 #38
Absolutely! potone Jan 2017 #130
Oh, man. Some pretty big names there. I buy CA EVOO and/or Avocado Oil. WinkyDink Jan 2017 #39
Whole Foods is listed as failed but... C_U_L8R Jan 2017 #40
It is SNOPES that is being "fake." The articles all make clear it is the label "Extra Virgin" that WinkyDink Jan 2017 #41
The article in the OP is as fake as it gets IronLionZion Jan 2017 #70
The first sentence of the linked article claims it's about not being olive oil at all muriel_volestrangler Jan 2017 #114
I always used Pompeian to oil my oboe. DemoTex Jan 2017 #42
Great euphemism! pinboy3niner Jan 2017 #44
UC Davis sells olive oil Brother Buzz Jan 2017 #45
Thank you! / nt Sunny05 Jan 2017 #46
Good info. Thanks! Bought Bertolli for years as well. paleotn Jan 2017 #49
No. johnp3907 Jan 2017 #51
I didn't know how delicious olive oil really is until I tasted the real stuff mainer Jan 2017 #52
There's a lot of variation in "the real stuff." Igel Jan 2017 #61
This has been circulating for a while matt819 Jan 2017 #55
Discussed 'good' brands here recently, for info: elleng Jan 2017 #56
I buy California Olive Ranch locally, but this olive oil is amazing (and pricey, but amazing): phylny Jan 2017 #58
Based on an NPR article, I switched to california olive oil 2 years ago bhikkhu Jan 2017 #62
And don't keep it in a clear glass bottle marybourg Jan 2017 #73
I buy Lebanese olive oil from my local Arab grocery. brooklynite Jan 2017 #63
Fake news from a fake news site. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #64
Not fake at all. There is a difference between oils. mainer Jan 2017 #69
Fake news is fake. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #118
You should read the article packman Jan 2017 #76
Repeating fake news doesn't make it less fake IronLionZion Jan 2017 #108
I did read the article. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #117
It may be a click-bait site, but the article itself seems adequately backed up bhikkhu Jan 2017 #87
The article is mis-resporting (purposefully) Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #116
when I heard about this I switched to the Paul Newman brand. demigoddess Jan 2017 #65
Anonews is among the fakest news sources out there IronLionZion Jan 2017 #68
Someone perhaps should have read the article packman Jan 2017 #74
I bet you're living the organic dream IronLionZion Jan 2017 #105
the study handmade34 Jan 2017 #112
OP is very different from that study IronLionZion Jan 2017 #113
read the N Yorker article that's linked - news is not fake wordpix Jan 2017 #86
That 2007 New Yorker article is far removed from the OP IronLionZion Jan 2017 #106
You beat me to it. mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2017 #141
Garbage. Scurrilous Jan 2017 #75
Hey, even a broken clock is accurate twice a day - also--- packman Jan 2017 #91
Anonews is garbage and shouldn't be linked to. n/t Scurrilous Jan 2017 #93
Yes IronLionZion Jan 2017 #107
You right deaniac21 Jan 2017 #119
Another article saying much of the same thing mainer Jan 2017 #77
My favorites are both from Spain Ligyron Jan 2017 #78
Great information, thank you for sharing! Unrepentant Fenian Jan 2017 #79
And maybe one of the most comprehensive olive oil info sites: mainer Jan 2017 #81
Yaaaaay for costco. Kirkland brand is always quality. AgadorSparticus Jan 2017 #82
According to the article . . . Metro135 Jan 2017 #83
Calivirgin olive oil mindfulNJ Jan 2017 #88
My everyday olive oil is California Olive Ranch (USA), NCjack Jan 2017 #92
I use Kirkland for day-to-day cooking and sauteeing Retrograde Jan 2017 #110
Mostly false ... GeorgeGist Jan 2017 #94
I just had a teaspoon of Colavita extra-virgin ... HeartachesNhangovers Jan 2017 #95
This is a steaming pile of "Dr. Oz" bullshit jberryhill Jan 2017 #96
Olive oil fakery is as old as the olive oil business Warpy Jan 2017 #99
They are not fake, Sissyk Jan 2017 #103
Not only that, definitions have changed over the years Warpy Jan 2017 #129
I used a LOT of Olive Oil (Italian heritage) HockeyMom Jan 2017 #104
Thanks for sharing this info! deminwi Jan 2017 #111
I use California Olive sheshe2 Jan 2017 #120
I live in Northern California Mr.Bill Jan 2017 #121
I kind of suspected as much bucolic_frolic Jan 2017 #124
Georgia Olive Oil company??? TNNurse Jan 2017 #125
Thanks! I read labels and I got California Olive Ranch last time I bought olive oil. 50 Shades Of Blue Jan 2017 #126
K&R myohmy2 Jan 2017 #127
Thanks. We use olive oil quite often. oasis Jan 2017 #131
Thanks. We need someone to do this for honey, as well. Loads of hfcs and pesticides involved there. Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2017 #132
I've always bought Bertolli because of their more authentic-looking bottles Bucky Jan 2017 #134
I wish I could find an article read about this. Separation Jan 2017 #135
Anyone know the Aldi store brand? forgotmylogin Jan 2017 #136
Snope said this report is false Auntie Bush Jan 2017 #137
First - Snopes is not 100% - Second packman Jan 2017 #139
Carapelli is so bad it's listed twice IronLionZion Jan 2017 #143
good to know! thanks! nt Javaman Jan 2017 #138
What about Stop and Shop brand...LOL TrekLuver Jan 2017 #145
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2018 #146
What do you mean? marble falls Jul 2018 #147
Maybe, !, ))) Yonnie3 Jul 2018 #148

tenorly

(2,037 posts)
123. They're the real deal.
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 09:25 PM
Jan 2017

I'm of Italian descent, and have only rarely gone a day without olive oil on something ever since I can remember.

Consequently, I can smell colza, soy, or (egads!) paraffin in olive oil the instant I open the bottle. While use of such adulterants in olive oil itself is probably more unusual the the article implies, I can tell you that its use in sun-dried tomato jars is indeed very common (Mezzetta and Alessi are probably the worst).

Salute!

catmando

(1 post)
133. Neither is MalWart's Daily Chef
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 02:49 AM
Jan 2017

I just did the fridge test and it never solidified even after 40 minutes.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
59. I just checked some Cal. Oilve oil at an online store, the harvest date is over a year old.
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 02:41 PM
Jan 2017

It is recommended olive oil be used within 18 months of harvesting.

so, that is another thing to check on labels.

GreenEyedLefty

(2,073 posts)
122. Oh, I'll make sure to check that next time I'm at the store.
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 08:53 PM
Jan 2017

I always smell my olive oil when I open the bottle. If it smells the least bit rancid, out it goes.

 

Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
89. Costco has great stuff. They carry both the California Ranch and their own
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 03:14 PM
Jan 2017

Kirkland brand. I have both in my pantry along with Avocado oil. Each bottle will last about 2-3 months we cook a lot and use a lot healthy fats. They also carry Kerry Gold grass fed butter and pastured eggs. They are pricier, but a good value for the money.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
5. Kirkland??? But I don't need a 50 gallon drum since I stopped hosting orgies
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 12:13 PM
Jan 2017

Just checked and we've got California Olive Ranch next to the stove.

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
72. The best stuff Costco sells comes in 1L bottles
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 02:53 PM
Jan 2017

Kirkland Extra Virgin Toscano

Seasonal and in limited quantities. Comes in glass bottles with the harvest date prominently noted.


C Moon

(12,213 posts)
66. There's a good article here...
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 02:45 PM
Jan 2017
http://www.truthinoliveoil.com/2013/08/trader-joes-extravirgins-and-floozies

It seems the one we buy (Trader Giotto's Extra Virgin Olive Oil) has issues.
Others don't.
We now buy the Kirkland brand, although, it's sold in plastic. :O
 

packman

(16,296 posts)
17. Give it the refrig. test
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 12:37 PM
Jan 2017

Put it in the frig. a day - if it turns solid yellow, good stuff. If still liquid, been diluted and fake.

OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
9. CA tried to get an official
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 12:16 PM
Jan 2017

label that they could put on CA grown, processed and bottled oil so that you could trust it. That effort was shut down by the importers.

OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
102. Here's a link:
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 05:02 PM
Jan 2017

A pilot program was ordered to be launched in a bill that never became law:

http://www.eater.com/2016/4/25/11503910/olive-oil-fraud-fda-testing
https://www.oliveoiltimes.com/olive-oil-business/north-america/u-s-congress-directs-fda-to-test-imported-olive-oils/51259

But that's as far as it's gone so far.

Back in 2013, there was an olive oil import control provision that made it into an apropos bill and it was stripped by an amendment sponsored by Rep. Gibson (R-NY).
https://www.congress.gov/amendment/113th-congress/house-amendment/213

NBachers

(17,119 posts)
60. My friend is from Corning, California, which bills itself as the world olive capital.
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 02:42 PM
Jan 2017

She was telling me last week about how the big fake producers are bringing all their garbage olive oil in and displacing the local California Growers. That said, you can stop into some of the local olive product stores up there, and get some truly exquisite local olive oil.

OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
101. Similar things happen in Europe.
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 04:51 PM
Jan 2017

They import junk oil into Greece and Italy and then are able to export it as Italian and Greek olive oil, two of the (formerly) most prestigious olive oil producing regions in the world.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
26. HA- Got me - good one
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 12:50 PM
Jan 2017

That insulted my intelligence and it makes me very angry. Now, who approached you first? Barzini or Tattaglia? That oil would go well with some fishes that sleep in the deep.

Docreed2003

(16,862 posts)
23. Might be a little hard to do...
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 12:48 PM
Jan 2017

Unless the Corleone's are still making it (lol...that's the brand from The Godfather)

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
12. while tests carried out on olive oil between 2008 and 2010 revealed that many store-vended oils did
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 12:20 PM
Jan 2017

... did not meet the criteria set by regulatory agencies for the "extra virgin" label, the testing did not determine that the oils were "fake" or not made from olives.

http://www.snopes.com/food/ingredient/oliveoil.asp

MOSTLY FALSE

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
18. Not the point - some olive oil diluted still being sold as "Olive Oil"
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 12:40 PM
Jan 2017

not that it's "fake", or not made from olives - just doesn't give the true % of "TRUE" olive oil. Like needs a label "60% Olive oil, 40% other oils such as sunflower oil"

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
24. There was no study to see if other oils were being substituted into the olive oil
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 12:49 PM
Jan 2017

The study was whether virgin olive oil was correctly labeled.
"According to snopes"
I had heard about substituted oil years ago in an article I found on the web, but Snopes did not address that.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
13. Good to know. I have purchased many of those brands on the no-buy list
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 12:20 PM
Jan 2017

I would have at least expected that Whole Foods would have decent EV Olive Oil. I plan to complain. When I lived in SF we used to get it straight from the small EVOO producers in wine country. No fancy bottles, but very good. I don't have that luxury here, so I would like to have the option of buying the real thing.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
16. Bariani is good stuff. The cheap stuff tastes nothing like it.
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 12:32 PM
Jan 2017

It's a local product so I've been buying it at the Farmer's Market for years.

mopinko

(70,113 posts)
27. please dont post fake news.
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 12:50 PM
Jan 2017

this is a bullshit, typical fake news story. link to snopes in the thread.
come on now. lets be smarter than that.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,721 posts)
33. It has been verified that a lot of imported olive oil
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 01:07 PM
Jan 2017

does not meet the standard for "extra virgin" and sometimes does include other kinds of oils. The article, as Snopes points out, goes too far with the claim that many of there brands are not olive oil at all, but it's true that the industry has little or no quality control outside California. A better reference, with more to back it up, is the book Extra Virginity:

Amazon Best Books of the Month, December 2011: E.V.O.O. just got a whole lot more complicated. Tom Mueller's Extra Virginity is about as explosive as an expose can get, at least if your subject is liquid fat. The road from tree to table, it turns out, is fraught with corruption, fraud, and laboratory interventions. Mueller shows how and why the trade in adulterated olive oil is about as profitable as the trade in some hard drugs, and with a lot less risk, too. There are equally entertaining detours into olive oil's long history, the politics of regulation and enforcement, and even debates over the best way to taste it (swirl, aerate, spit, or just swig?). All in all, it's a great read not just for foodies, but also for anyone interested in the complexities of global trade and organized crime.

mopinko

(70,113 posts)
37. that doesnt make this not fake news.
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 01:24 PM
Jan 2017

i'm just makin a general comment here that this sort of stuff doesnt belong here. fake news often contains a kernel of truth. we need to be more discerning.

They_Live

(3,233 posts)
36. Did you see some of the other stories
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 01:13 PM
Jan 2017

that are posted on that site? All seems pretty fakey to me, too. Fake Anonymous.

bhikkhu

(10,718 posts)
84. Some corroboration for the story from a couple of years ago:
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 03:00 PM
Jan 2017
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ceciliarodriguez/2014/01/27/can-the-eu-beat-olive-oil-scamming/#7fdb3cd1504c

"Generally, olive oils are mixed with sunflower, canola or colza oil, chemically deodorized and then flavored."

My understanding from light reading over the years is that its standard practice in Europe to heat the pressed product to remove the odor of rancidity. The result then needs to be flavored to reintroduce the expected smell and taste.

US olive oil standards are lower than EU, so they can freely export their worst products here. The best standards I know of are set by the California Olive Oil Council, and I look for the COOC stamp, along with a date of production.

All respect to "let's be smarter", and I try to fact-check things myself. I think one of the problems with olive oil is that there's a great deal of money involved, and many players with their own agendas - not the easiest thing to research.

ksoze

(2,068 posts)
28. FYI - The study this is based on is from 2010...
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 12:52 PM
Jan 2017

The article may be a bit hysterical. Not saying it may not still be accurate, but....

A letter from Colvita CEO on the study:
http://main.colavita.com/a-letter-from-our-ceo/

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
30. Hey, didn't he play right field for the Cleveland Indians?
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 12:55 PM
Jan 2017

anyway:
"The testing methods employed in the report had been rejected as unreliable by the International Olive Council" per Mr. Colavita

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
31. Note in the letter - Nowhere did he state the quality of his oil
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 12:59 PM
Jan 2017

just threw doubt on the testing. He danced around the issue.

Give it the fridge test.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,721 posts)
29. A book came out a few years ago - "Extra Virginity"
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 12:53 PM
Jan 2017

It describes how corrupt the olive oil industry is, and advises buying California olive oil because they have some quality control. I've been using California Olive Ranch ever since I read it. More here: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/08/books/extra-virginity-by-tom-mueller-a-word-on-olive-oil-review.html

George Eliot

(701 posts)
115. The label extra virgin implies a quality standard not there so fake works for me
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 07:08 PM
Jan 2017

If I buy extra virgin. I expect it to be the conventional quality rhat defines extra virgin.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
34. I Have to say that something familiar, like Pompeiann you can see it's not quality , but there are
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 01:07 PM
Jan 2017

esp. branded names on the list -whole foods etc. that although I have never tried them at least sound like they would be striving for pure but obviously not

Freethinker65

(10,023 posts)
43. I thought Pompeian admitted to using a mix of different country of origin OLIVE oils years ago
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 01:46 PM
Jan 2017

And tested out ok. Just checked a small Pompeian bottle in my pantry (needed some prior to a Costco run) and my bottle indicates Tunisia, Greece, and Argentina. I remember reading about huge tankers that would pull up to the Italian coast specifically so production labels could say bottled in Italy! My large EVOO bottle is Kirkland Organic because I had read the report years back.

Nitram

(22,803 posts)
38. The majority of good olive oil is produced in Greece, but purchased in bulk, then bottled
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 01:25 PM
Jan 2017

and sold by companies in Italy and elsewhere. I've been using Oriston brand Greek olive oil with a refillable bottle for a few years now. It just tastes better.

potone

(1,701 posts)
130. Absolutely!
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 12:36 AM
Jan 2017

I only buy Greek extra virgin olive oil and the difference is immediately apparent. It isn't sold in most grocery stores. I get it from a store that specializes in imported foods, mostly from the Mediterranean region. I won't buy Italian olive oil because most of what is sold here is clearly not the real thing.

C_U_L8R

(45,003 posts)
40. Whole Foods is listed as failed but...
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 01:36 PM
Jan 2017

but if you click through to the UC report itself, Whole Foods is not mentioned at all.
http://olivecenter.ucdavis.edu/research/files/report041211finalreduced.pdf
Also note the report is partly underwritten by California Olive Ranch.

We've been concerned about our olive oil and mostly stay away from
mass market brands but a couple of things don't quite stand up to scrutiny here.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
41. It is SNOPES that is being "fake." The articles all make clear it is the label "Extra Virgin" that
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 01:38 PM
Jan 2017

is the fraudulent aspect, not whether or not it is olive oil AT ALL. Consumers want the "EV" as highest quality.

A headline does not an article make, people.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,321 posts)
114. The first sentence of the linked article claims it's about not being olive oil at all
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 06:04 PM
Jan 2017

"70% of Olive oil available in stores in the US has actually been cut with cheaper, nastier oils – meaning its fake!"

followed with "7 of the biggest olive oil manufacturers in the US have been cutting their products with cheaper, inferior oils (such as sunflower oil or canola oil)"

Brother Buzz

(36,440 posts)
45. UC Davis sells olive oil
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 01:50 PM
Jan 2017

Our Estate olive oil is hand-harvested with student volunteers from the only organic grove at UC Davis. This spicy oil has grassy and herbaceous flavors, with a touch of cinnamon. The high antioxidant content is reflected in a healthy bitterness. Try our Estate Oil with crusty bread, baked potato, popcorn, or any other food that will allow the flavors to shine. Only 325 cases produced -- this oil sells out fast!

Size: 250ML
Item: 2046040
Price: $15.00


http://ucdavisstores.com/MerchList.aspx?txtSearch=olive+oil&searchtype=Description&drpsearch2=Description&searchin=All+Merchandise

Their field blends of olive oil are a little cheaper and more plentiful, but not by much.

I will attest the quality of these olives are fantastic because I harvested them for years until they ran me off when they opened the UC Davis Olive Center in the Robert Mondavi Institute for Wine and Food Science. My field blend oil was smoooth, and had a Pippin apple nose, an avocado taste, and a slight hint of banana at the finish; it was to die for.

I loved poaching olives around the extensive campus because the had a lot of totally exotic varieties to select from, unlike the boring Mission olives I find everywhere along the roads. My frantoio really got excited when I brought in my field blend.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
52. I didn't know how delicious olive oil really is until I tasted the real stuff
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 02:20 PM
Jan 2017

I used Bertolli for years because it was conveniently available at the supermarket. Then I splurged and bought an artisanal olive oil from Sicily and ... wowza. All my life, I'd been missing out.

Now I use only artisanal oil for salads and finishing. And California Olive Ranch for other cooking purposes.

Igel

(35,317 posts)
61. There's a lot of variation in "the real stuff."
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 02:42 PM
Jan 2017

Depends how hard you crush and press the olives. The first pressing is higher in flavor, it congeals when chilled, it's darker in color. For some kinds, "chilled" is 68 degrees--so at room temperature the stuff goes translucent.

The last bit you get out, after heating and stirring and finely crushing, is pale, lower in flavor, and doesn't congeal.

But both are from olives, and both are olive oil. They have different purposes. Extra virgin is pointless for soap; it has a much lower smoke point for cooking (in fact, it often tastes bad because all the stuff that gives it flavor and color degrades). The standard, last pressing is like any other oil for salad dressings and pesto.

You pick the kind of oil that suits your purpose. It's like what you get from a cow. There's suet, there are different cuts of beef, and there's milk. You'd never want to make biscuits with tenderloin or rump roast, you wouldn't add suet to your coffee, and trying a nice piece of roast milk with gravy is silly sounding. Pure cream makes good butter, bad cheese. And if you want filet mignon for your chili, you're wasting money.

Most of this is honor talking: No way I'm going to be ripped off, I'm not that stupid. Knee-jerking-off in response to that is a sure-fire way to be able to say, "No, I refuse to be ripped off, but please, trick me using my vanity and pride, I like to be trickled, um, tickled right here."

matt819

(10,749 posts)
55. This has been circulating for a while
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 02:31 PM
Jan 2017

And it's fine as far as it goes.

But there are scores and scores of olive oils available in supermarkets, co-ops, health food stores, etc. There are also olive oil and vinegar stores popping up around the country.

Knowing what not to buy is fine. Pretty much all the name brands in the olive oil market. But knowing what to buy is more of a challenge. This list is okay, but it really doesn't account for what appear to be small, family-owned olive oils, or the olive oils in the specialty stores, or. . . you get the idea. Maybe the analogy doesn't hold, but it may be like craft beers. At a certain point the more successful craft beer makers are no longer very craft-y. And there are some craft beers that are anything but, produced, as they are, by the multinational beer makers and marketed as small town craft beers.

bhikkhu

(10,718 posts)
62. Based on an NPR article, I switched to california olive oil 2 years ago
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 02:42 PM
Jan 2017

That article was about how there were few regulations on the product in europe, and how olives tend to go rancid. In europe the practice is to press all the old and new together, and they wind up with a rancid-smelling oil that they then have to cook to eliminate the smell (which also destroys many good things in the oil). They wind up with a tasteless oil, which is then reflavored with extracts or smaller quantities of good oil...

California has a wonderful olive oil industry and excellent standards; my preference is organic california olive oil. The other thing they said is to look for a bottle with a date, as olive oil goes stale within a couple years.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
69. Not fake at all. There is a difference between oils.
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 02:48 PM
Jan 2017

I know a number of Italian chefs who agree that most olive oils sold in US grocery stores are cobbled together from the worst Europe has to offer.

Not everyone can appreciate the difference in flavor, and if you can't, then you might as well go for the supermarket stuff because it is cheaper.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
76. You should read the article
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 02:55 PM
Jan 2017

It has a link to their source - Not fake news, just repeated news from another link - one should learn the difference.

bhikkhu

(10,718 posts)
87. It may be a click-bait site, but the article itself seems adequately backed up
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 03:05 PM
Jan 2017

How do you call it fake news if it lists and links to its sources, and those sources detail their own sources, and so on? Research it before calling "fake news", or the claim means nothing.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
116. The article is mis-resporting (purposefully)
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 07:18 PM
Jan 2017

the sources.

To top it off, the measure used to test the olive oil is NOT a reliable method.

http://ucanr.edu/blogs/blogcore/postdetail.cfm?postnum=9582

Even Snopes says it's false.

http://www.snopes.com/food/ingredient/oliveoil.asp

And the source is a fake news site with a heavy right wing slant.

IronLionZion

(45,447 posts)
68. Anonews is among the fakest news sources out there
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 02:47 PM
Jan 2017

99% of their statistics are just made up. If you look at their other articles it would become very apparent.

Remember fake news causes real idiots to shoot real assault weapons near real children eating pizza. Please don't share fake news.

IronLionZion

(45,447 posts)
105. I bet you're living the organic dream
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 05:17 PM
Jan 2017

Dreams are not reality

Having the same fake news article on multiple sites doesn't make it any less fake.

IronLionZion

(45,447 posts)
113. OP is very different from that study
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 05:47 PM
Jan 2017

That study is about extra virgin olive oil mixed with lower quality olive oil, not about mixing it with sunflower or soy or any such BS.

It's still olive oil

IronLionZion

(45,447 posts)
106. That 2007 New Yorker article is far removed from the OP
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 05:22 PM
Jan 2017

and doesn't mention any of the brands listed.

We do have an FDA in this country with labeling regulations for ingredients.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,472 posts)
141. You beat me to it.
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 11:31 AM
Jan 2017

The site is anonews.co, not anonews.com. They have a registration by proxy. Look 'em up:

http://www.geektools.com/whois.php

How to Spot Fake News

By Eugene Kiely and Lori Robertson
Posted on November 18, 2016

....

Consider the source. In recent months, we’ve fact-checked fake news from abcnews.com.co (not the actual URL for ABC News), WTOE 5 News (whose “about” page says it’s “a fantasy news website”), and the Boston Tribune (whose “contact us” page lists only a gmail address). Earlier this year, we debunked the claim that the Obamas were buying a vacation home in Dubai, a made-up missive that came from WhatDoesItMean.com, which describes itself as “One Of The Top Ranked Websites In The World for New World Order, Conspiracy Theories and Alternative News” and further says on its site that most of what it publishes is fiction.

There were plenty of threads started at DU based on stories from abcnews.com.co. I was hoping that people would study the URLs more carefully from now on.

The large print giveth, but the fine print taketh away.

Always read the fine print.

Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)
75. Garbage.
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 02:55 PM
Jan 2017

From the folks who bring you this:


Assange Appears on FOX News and Destroys the Russia Hack Conspiracy Theory

http://www.anonews.co/assange-russia-hack/


Media Silent as Obama Signs ‘US Ministry of Truth’ Law to Fund Propaganda Aimed at Americans

http://www.anonews.co/obama-fund-propaganda/


Russian Scientists Produce A Technology That Can Transmute Any Element Into Another!

http://www.anonews.co/russian-scientists-elements/





 

packman

(16,296 posts)
91. Hey, even a broken clock is accurate twice a day - also---
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 03:29 PM
Jan 2017

Someone perhaps should have read the article

and noted what they referenced too -


http://livetheorganicdream.com/fake-olive-oil-companies-revealed-stop-buying-these-brands-now/

Are you saying Live the Organic Dream is fake news ???

IronLionZion

(45,447 posts)
107. Yes
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 05:31 PM
Jan 2017

It is very fake


7 of the biggest olive oil manufacturers in the US have been cutting their products with cheaper, inferior oils (such as sunflower oil or canola oil)


Maybe Trump's FDA would allow them to lie on their labels but not Obama's. FDA has strict regulations for this sort of thing. They have to list the ingredients. It is one of the "job killing regulations" Republicans complain about.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
77. Another article saying much of the same thing
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 02:55 PM
Jan 2017

The most common type of fraud, Campanile explains, is mixing Italian extra-virgin with lower quality olive oils from North Africa and around the Mediterranean. In other cases, a bottle labeled "extra-virgin olive oil" may not be olive oil at all, just a seed oil like sunflower made to look and smell like olive oil with a few drops of chlorophyll and beta-carotene. Major Sergio Tirro of the Italian Carabinieri police, one of the top investigators of food fraud in Europe, showed 60 Minutes' Bill Whitaker just how easy it is to make a realistic-looking fake.

"Olive oil fraud has gone on for the better part of four millennia," Campanile says. "The difference now is that the food supply chain is so vast, so global, and so lucrative that it's easy for the bad guys to either introduce adulterated olive oils or mix in lower quality olive oils with extra-virgin olive oil."

So, what's a foodie to do? Campanile has some suggestions. For starters, he says, look closely at the label. It may have a pretty Italian landscape, but was the oil actually produced in Italy? If so, where? Campanile says he's encouraged when it's from a city in Sicily or Puglia known for producing olive oil.

Since freshness matters, Campanile says, you may want to consider extra-virgin olive oil from California, which can be pressed and shipped more quickly. But if it's Italian you crave, expect to pay more for the real deal. "If you're paying seven bucks or eight bucks for a bottle of Italian extra virgin olive oil," he says, "it's probably not Italian extra-virgin."


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-overtime-how-to-buy-olive-oil/

Ligyron

(7,633 posts)
78. My favorites are both from Spain
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 02:56 PM
Jan 2017

Nunez de Prado and my very favorite - Columela.

Taste and quality can vary greatly from year-to-year and harvest to harvest.

Generally speaking, I find Italian oils too bitter and grassy and I've read it's due to them being harvested too early due to the likelyhood of frost in the Tuscan region. Some pure Sicilian oils can be excellent however.

Like Genco, bwahaha!

Metro135

(359 posts)
83. According to the article . . .
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 03:00 PM
Jan 2017

One sure way to test if a brand is mostly olive oil and not cut with other oils is to put it into the refrigerator and see if it solidifies.

I've done this with Whole Foods "365" brand -- one of the brands to avoid -- and it does solidify.

mindfulNJ

(2,367 posts)
88. Calivirgin olive oil
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 03:10 PM
Jan 2017

is certified by the COOC (California Olive Oil Council), family owned, and is really good stuff. I buy it by the gallon!

http://www.calivirgin.com

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
92. My everyday olive oil is California Olive Ranch (USA),
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 03:33 PM
Jan 2017

sold in North Carolina by Food Lion supermarket; when not available, I get Ottavia (Spain) from Costco. I really like Arbequina varietal from Texas Olive Ranch. When I want a special treat, I get an award winner single-source Greek oil (e.g., PJ Kabos). The Greek economy is still suffering, and buying Greek products (available on internet) is a good way to aid small businesses in Greece. Once you try top quality, it is hard to go back to the cheap supermarket stuff with labels that vaguely describe where it was sourced, processed and bottled.

For an introduction to olive oil varietals and infusions, find an Olive Oil speciality shop in your area. I got my introduction (free samples!) in the Olive Oil Store in Jacksonville, FL. These types of shops have spread everywhere. I now live in North Carolina and get my oils at the Blue Sky Oil and Vinegar shop, Durham, NC. To begin your education, start with American Arbequina and Arbosana varietals. Be advised: it is addicting.

Retrograde

(10,137 posts)
110. I use Kirkland for day-to-day cooking and sauteeing
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 05:36 PM
Jan 2017

and whenever I need a kinda bland oil. For salad dressings and anywhere I want the taste of the oil to come through I use my "good" olive oils - my current fave is from Grumpy Goat, a small California producer that turns up frequently at my local farmers' market (I've never seen it in stores). They carry a few varieties, including a field mix of what they just happened to harvest - it can be rather assertive. California's been producing olive oil since the Mission era, but production started taking off in the 1990s: there are large olive groves in Sonoma county, and in the Corning area. Once you see the distinctive grey/green trees you can easily spot them!

95. I just had a teaspoon of Colavita extra-virgin ...
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 03:56 PM
Jan 2017

and it's tasty. Not the cheapest, but not expensive at Fred Meyer.

Warpy

(111,267 posts)
99. Olive oil fakery is as old as the olive oil business
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 04:25 PM
Jan 2017

Most of the brands you listed as fake are actually olive oil mixed with other oils, with the exception of the Bertolli "lite." The yellow stuff has been chemically extracted from the lees after all the good stuff has been pressed out.

Amphorae from ancient shipwrecks have been found with sealed amphorae containing adulterated olive oil, so this has been going on for a very, very long time. It's not just the US that is suffering, they don't bottle the stuff any differently over there.

The best idea is to find one you like and stick with it. Second best is to not be impressed by fancy bottles. And unless you know a little old guy in Spain, North Africa or Greece who still uses his own press and can visit him once a year to see his olives being pressed, paying through the nose for his product, you are most likely going to be getting a little McOil with your olives.

Sissyk

(12,665 posts)
103. They are not fake,
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 05:03 PM
Jan 2017

Or made from other oils. The problem is with the Extra Virgin varieties.

Here are the conclusions from the study performed at UCDavis.

CONCLUSIONS
Our laboratory tests found that the top-selling imported brands of “extra virgin” olive oil sold in the United States and purchased at retail locations throughout California often failed the IOC’s sensory standards for extra virgin olive oil. Sensory analysis showed that these failed samples had objectionable descriptors such as rancid and fusty. Sensory analysis is a sensitive tool to analyze olive oil quality and is an essential component of the IOC olive oil standards, but sensory analysis should be supported by gas chromatographic analyses and other analytical methods. It is essential to support sensory evaluations by chemical tests for volatile compounds that are known to be produced by lipid oxidation.
Our chemical tests indicate that the samples usually pass the IOC’s chemical tests even when those samples failed two IOC-accredited sensory panels. Chemical confirmation of the negative sensory results were strongest with the German/ Australian DAGs and PPP tests, followed by IOC tests for UV absorption. The IOC and USDA standards would be more effective in assessing and enforcing olive oil quality by including the German/Australian DAGs and PPP standards.
Our testing indicated that the samples failed extra virgin olive oil standards for reasons that include one or more of the following: (a) oxidation by exposure to elevated temperatures, light, and/or aging; (b) adulteration with cheaper refined olive oil; and (c) poor quality oil made from damaged and overripe olives, processing flaws, and/or improper oil storage

Warpy

(111,267 posts)
129. Not only that, definitions have changed over the years
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 11:27 PM
Jan 2017

In the years of hand or animal driven presses, "Extra Virgin" was from the first pressing, with several other grades from there. Now 99% of oil is factory produced from olives from multiple areas around the Mediterranean. Nearly all oil is expelled by rollers and it's all labeled "extra virgin" since it's the one and only pressing, combining several of the old grades. What is left over at the end is chemically treated to produce the pale yellow, "user friendly" stuff that people buy to get the benefits but not the taste.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
104. I used a LOT of Olive Oil (Italian heritage)
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 05:04 PM
Jan 2017

Buy both Olive Oil and Extra Virgin from COSTCO (Kirkland) in those Gallon jugs. Much more economical.

Mr.Bill

(24,300 posts)
121. I live in Northern California
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 08:27 PM
Jan 2017

and many of the wineries around here are diversifying and going into the olive oil business. They started planting olive trees around ten years ago. I don't use much olive oil, but what I do use I buy locally.

bucolic_frolic

(43,173 posts)
124. I kind of suspected as much
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 09:42 PM
Jan 2017

Over the years as the labels indicated blending olive oils from several
countries, the consistency became thinner and thinner, the color was less
green, and the fruity aroma diminished. I said, oh, these other countries must
grow different olives, or process marginal crop.

Then I had a bottle grown in California. It was really good consistency, less
fruity, more earthy I'd call it, and good flavor. I think I had one from Australia too.
Very good.

Anything that's not "extra virgin" can be chemically processed, or from post-first
pressing.

Incidentally, Congress approved the "extra virgin" label as well as the term Canola
oil, or so I read. Canola is really rapeseed oil, just grown in Canada. These foreign
foods just don't seem very well inspected anymore.

50 Shades Of Blue

(10,005 posts)
126. Thanks! I read labels and I got California Olive Ranch last time I bought olive oil.
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 10:09 PM
Jan 2017

Glad to have confirmed that it's the real thing.

myohmy2

(3,163 posts)
127. K&R
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 10:16 PM
Jan 2017

...fake olive oil?...is there nothing sacred anymore...

"Bought and used Bertolli for years , if not decades."

...yep, me too...

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
132. Thanks. We need someone to do this for honey, as well. Loads of hfcs and pesticides involved there.
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 02:36 AM
Jan 2017

I don't see the brands of evoo I usually use on the lists:

Olio beato extra virgin 100% organic
Bragg® Organic Extra Virgin Olive Oil

Did buy and consume a bottle of Carapelli last year. I want my money back. Devious bastards.

Bucky

(54,014 posts)
134. I've always bought Bertolli because of their more authentic-looking bottles
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 06:34 AM
Jan 2017

on the other hand Whole Foods doesn't surprise me at all. It's a totally right-wing company

Separation

(1,975 posts)
135. I wish I could find an article read about this.
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 07:20 AM
Jan 2017

It was maybe a year ago and it was either in Playboy, Maxim, or Popular Science. The gist of the article states the the number 1 counterfeited thing in Italy is olive oil and that it was a huge cash cow for the Mafia in Italy.

forgotmylogin

(7,529 posts)
136. Anyone know the Aldi store brand?
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 09:54 AM
Jan 2017

I don't remember the name. They usually have good stuff, including cheapest cold-press coconut oil without a Sam's card.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
139. First - Snopes is not 100% - Second
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 11:06 AM
Jan 2017

The article posted has a link - go to it - it is reliable and keep in mind what the post is about. The brand of Olive oil you buy may be diluted with other oils and/or may be a mix of olive oils from other countries.

Your friend is missing the point of the post. If you wish to remain skeptical about it, feel free.

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