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http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/313194-graham-republicans-gleeful-about-russia-election-interference-areSo I guess we know where dt stands.
Graham: Republicans happy about Russian meddling are political hacks
By Mallory Shelbourne - 01/08/17 09:00 AM EST
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) on Sunday ripped Republicans who are "gleeful" about Russias meddling in the U.S. election, saying anyone who isn't condemning the meddling is "a political hack."
Most Republicans are condemning what Russia did. And to those who are gleeful about it you're a political hack. You're not a Republican. You're not a patriot, Graham said during an appearance on NBC News's Meet the Press with Chuck Todd.
On Friday, the Intelligence Community released a declassified report that concluded Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign before the election in an effort to help President-elect Trump win.
We should all Republicans, Democrats condemn Russia for what they did. To my Republican friends who are gleeful, you're making a huge mistake," Graham said.
Graham added that he hopes Trump, who signaled in his campaign that he would work for a better relationship with the Kremlin, takes advantage of the chance to make Russia pay a price for trying to meddle in the election.
Trump has criticized the Intelligence Community for its various assessments over Russias cyber activities. Trump said early Saturday in a tweet following the report that hacking did not affect the election outcome.
Intelligence stated very strongly there was absolutely no evidence that hacking affected the election results. Voting machines not touched! he wrote on Twitter.
Graham also said he was perplexed by Trumps rhetoric on Russia.
I don't know what drives him on Russia, but I do know this. That if our policies don't change vis a vis Russia, the worst is yet to come. And the Congress is going to have a different view on Russia than the president-elect does, he said.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)Thanks for mentioning reality, Lindsey, but you are waaay late.
Decent folk have known that the Republicans have been HACKING at honesty, integrity, fairness and basic American values for 25 years or more.
Baitball Blogger
(46,715 posts)I've been trying to get that off my chest for some time now.
Kolesar
(31,182 posts)blueseas
(11,575 posts)Agreed!
Hugin
(33,148 posts)Ayn Rand (Who Paul Ryan is a big fan of BTW) was a child of expatriot Russian Czarist Aristocrats.
"Ayn Rand born Alisa Zinov'yevna Rosenbaum, (February 2 1905 March 6, 1982) was a Russian-American novelist, philosopher, playwright, and screenwriter. She is known for her two best-selling novels, The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged, and for developing a philosophical system she called Objectivism. Educated in Russia, she moved to the United States in 1926. She had a play produced on Broadway in 19351936. After two early novels that were initially unsuccessful in America, she achieved fame with her 1943 novel, The Fountainhead.
In 1957, Rand published her best-known work, the novel Atlas Shrugged. Afterward, she turned to non-fiction to promote her philosophy, publishing her own magazines and releasing several collections of essays until her death in 1982. Rand advocated reason as the only means of acquiring knowledge, and rejected faith and religion (Take note Evangelicals ). She supported rational and ethical egoism, and rejected altruism. In politics, she condemned the initiation of force as immoral, and opposed collectivism and statism as well as anarchism, and instead supported laissez-faire capitalism, which she defined as the system based on recognizing individual rights. In art, Rand promoted romantic realism (If you want to know what these look like see any painting of Hitler or Trump). She was sharply critical of most philosophers and philosophical traditions known to her, except for Aristotle, Thomas Aquinas, and classical liberals.
Literary critics received Rand's fiction with mixed reviews, and academia generally ignored or rejected her philosophy, though academic interest has increased in recent decades. The Objectivist movement attempts to spread her ideas, both to the public and in academic settings. She has been a significant influence among libertarians and American conservatives."
More (If you can stand it) Here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayn_Rand
It looks like we're going to try Objectiveism for a national philosophy with a little help from Putin... Even though it has been thoroughly debunked as a way to run any society.
It came to me last night why there's a segment of Republicans who are A-OK with the Kremlin Koup.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)I am not sure 99.999% of those on the right have thought it through that much.
Hugin
(33,148 posts)Economics Schools in many public universities.
"that various Koch foundations had funneled over $665,000 into the Competitive Enterprise Institute over a number of years. A further check at Guidestar.org showed that the Claude R. Lambe Foundation, controlled by the Koch family, gave the Ayn Rand Institute $50,000 in total for tax years 2009 and 2010.
The widest gulf between Rand and her devoted Tea Partiers is on the issue of God. Weiss says: She hated religion, especially Christianity. But faith in God was the essence of life to a great many in the Tea Party."
http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/02/27/ayn-rand-the-tea-partys-miscast-matriarch/
So, while I agree the day-to-day baggers and Trump himself (who can't see past his own ego) may not realize the source of the philosophy they have been brainwashed to follow over the past 30 years is Rand. Ignore Objectivism's influence on the top tiers of the current GOP leadership at your own peril.
Hugin
(33,148 posts)arithia
(455 posts)That Lindsey Fucking Graham is a voice of reason?
PatSeg
(47,468 posts)from just a few years ago. I am loving him more and more every day. Not only is he rational and sane, sometimes, he is funny as hell. Whatever happened to him, I hope it is contagious!
colorado_ufo
(5,734 posts)His ears became attuned to bullsh_t and his eyes were opened to the end game of his associates. He realized that history could conceivably put his name with those who caused our country's downfall, and that this downfall could really happen.
world wide wally
(21,743 posts)Remember when Trump humiliated Graham and gave out his personal cell phone number?
I don't think Graham liked that too much.
colorado_ufo
(5,734 posts)I remember when he tried to pretend that he would support trump on some late night show, but he just couldn't sustain it. Turned into a very funny joke.
Generator
(7,770 posts)Action of course is what matters. And staying out there and saying it over and over and over. I find it hard to believe he will actually put country before party-that would include losing his job-that's always the big OH NO-with these cretins.
PatSeg
(47,468 posts)People often reach a point in their lives where they really have nothing to lose. McCain probably knows he's seen his last senate campaign and Graham probably either doesn't care or knows his seat is secure.
I always thought that there was a line that people just wouldn't cross, but evidently that doesn't apply to the majority of republican politicians. I think there are a few exceptions however.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)Metro135
(359 posts)MONTHS "investigating a stupid private email server but THIS gets swept under the rug.
talking-liberally
(43 posts)This piece of pukish rationalization is the last line from a NY Times article "Whats the Big Deal? Ask Trump Voters on Russia Hacking Report".
I'm reading "Hillbilly Elegy". JD Vance points out that for these people, denial gets them through their unsatisfactory lives. That's the only way I can make any sense out of a vehemently anti-communist party cozying up to a communist dictator. I think these *rump supporters would literally cut off their nose to spite their face, if it was successful in angering those they feel have better lives than they do.
I believe principled republicans are of the same thoughts as Graham. It's the ones who hate their lives but are unwilling to admit it that would join forces with anyone, including martians, if that is part of the process of demeaning those that have a better life than they do.
This observation is not meant to let them off the hook. It's just part of my journey in figuring out how the GOP has gotten people to vote against their own interest. The Dems have to come up with a response to this malignancy and part of that process is "figuring out what is going on".
MissKat
(218 posts)Yesterday at a meeting of local Democrats I urged everyone to read "Hillbilly Elegy."
How do we deal with people who don't understand that democracy IS NOT a spectator sport? How do you deal with people who say, "Why should I vote? No one in my family does."
How do we deal with people who think Trump is the smart one because he is rich? They think Hilary is stupid because she spent all that money on education and she talks funny.
How do we deal with people who-- if they do vote-- don't care if they vote against their own self-interests?
I'm beginning to think we need to buy up all the vacant Catholic neighborhood schools and re-open them as Democratic Charter schools where we emphasize civics and civic responsibility. We need gamers who can come up with a way to make politics a game for kids to get interested in. We need kids to understand that this country is on its way to "The Hunger Games."
Fox and Fiends has convinced the numb nuts that GUB-MINT is the boogey man hiding under the bad and that damn GUB-MINT gives money to "those" people. (Hint, the ones who ain't the same as us).
So we start charter schools ourselves and raise a whole new crop of leaders. I love public schools, but they've been corrupted and contaminated by idiots.
Ok. Read Hillbilly Elegy. We'll talk some more.
talking-liberally
(43 posts)All good questions MissKat. I don't have the answers either. The conservatives have come up with an answer and it's worked. I used to write it off as something I could joke about and disregard but, because I'm concerned about my kid's future, it's now a real question that can't be ignored.
I think that there is a way to appeal to these people. George Lakoff ("Don't Think of an Elephant" has made a case for how much time and money the conservatives put into this, starting in the early 70's. They've found issues, angles, spins, and language that brings in all aspects of the movement together on moral terms (what they see as moral). Liberals tend to think that quoting a statistic once will convince people. Conservatives know that it has to be said over and over and over and over again, and even a lie will become the truth.
I just saw an article describing how the issue of breaking up monopolies could achieve a lot of liberal goals. Maybe that's a viable avenue.
I'm relying on people who are a lot smarter than me for the solution. I'm just trying to present the question.
mcar
(42,333 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Is Trump the last straw for a segment of that Party that the party has gone too far to the right?
GETPLANING
(846 posts)decades ago, and shifted their focus to simply winning elections on a strategic basis, by whatever means necessary. There are examples of Republicans resorting to acts of treason, such as Nixon sabotaging the Paris peace talks in 1968 and again in 1980 when Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush conspired with Iranian extremists to delay the release of 52 American hostages to assure President Carters defeat, but never in my wildest dreams did I expect Republicans to allow another nation, especially Russia, to interfere on their behalf to win an election. It is treasonous. It is putting party over country, and that is the same as overthrowing a democratically elected government.
We live in a country that has had it's legitimate government (The People) overthrown in a coup. That's not hyperbole, either.
myohmy2
(3,163 posts)...I can see the beginnings of the impeachment coalition...
Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)WTF???