Did the DNC really ignore FBI warning

[Laura PourMeADrink]

On hacks? And RNC didn't and protected their emails? That is what reince said

[Zoonart]

1. Does it mater?

Does it matter if they weren't paying attention? Does that make it okay for Russia to hack them and release the personal information?
Hmmmmmm.... college girl goes to a frat party and gets a little drunk.... she does not pay attention to the guy putting ruffles in her drink.Is it okay to rape her?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

2. of course not duh. just wanting to

Know if true.

[Zoonart]

5. Okay

Why ask this question? It is not relevant. We have to stop asking what the Democrats did wrong and start formulating a plan to fight this.
We don't have the leisure for a postmortem. As seen this week... the Rethugs are starting to take the train apart with lightning speed and we are already behind the curve. No time to play catch-up. Democrats and resisters need a plan NOW!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

13. Listen - I can ask whatever I want. And it is not your job to tell

me what is relevant or not. Thanks.

[Zoonart]

14. SORRY

You are right.

[MaeScott]

16. Probably had a feeling about Comey and Co diddling in their data.

[pintobean]

7. That's a really bad analogy.

[Zoonart]

8. I disagree

It's blame the victim.

[shraby]

3. The intelligence report said the republicans were hacked too.

[Igel]

4. Yes, no, maybe.

What little evidence we actually have would indicate that the RNC was also the subject of spear phishing attempts. However, when they say "we weren't hacked" that appears to be true. The two statements *can* both be true (even if a lot of people assume that all hacks must be successful or that "to hack" means "to try to hack."

There's an assumption that the RNC was hacked and the Russians sat on that information, but the only evidence we have for that is that the DNC was hacked and their data was dumped (after all, if the superior DNC was hacked, surely the lesser beings at the RNC couldn't have avoided it, I guess).

Were the attacks from the same people? Too little info. The Friday report indicates hundreds of organizations were the subject of hacking attempts. Keep in mind, most email is not that useful from 5000 miles away.

But if you know what a spear phishing attack is you know that "protect their emails" is too strong a word. You have your employees "protect their emails" by simply not clicking on the malicious links or images. It's an easy enough "protection," it just requires a bit of foreknowledge and self-discipline.

Every week I'm the subject of phishing on my work email and my personal emails. Every week at work somebody needs to have their computer wiped and their drive reformatted. I clicked on the wrong thing once and my computer was locked by ransomware. Fortunately I had just backed up my computer that morning. No problem. Just irritation. But if it had been a different kind of malware, or if I'd clicked on that same malicious link at home, I'd be up to my neck in crap. The IT people at my ISP and at my place of employment do what they can, trying to detect and eliminate malicious email and spam, but ultimately it's each individual's job to avoid being spear phished. When my friend John Smith emails me and says, "Hey, check out my new page at http://fuckyouAmericanShit.I'm-with-Putin.ru" I'm not stupid enough to say, "Ooh, I have to click on that now!" and go to that page. Sometimes they're (slightly) more clever than that; sometimes they make it look convincing. I get lots of Fedex messages that have nothing to do with Fedex.


Did the DNC ignore the FBI warning? Yes. I listened to an interview on NPR where the DNC IT guy said that he got several calls from one person over the course of many weeks saying he had evidence that the DNC was hacked. The person claimed to be with the government. The IT guy wasn't sure he was from the government, finally did a quick, cursory check of the DNC systems and found nothing suspicious, and figured if it had been real the government person would have made a big deal over it. In other words, the IT guy said, in essence, "They didn't convince me that this was real and important, and so it's not my responsibility. I did my job, I'm the victim here."

Other organizations said that it was likely that people were attempting to hack the DNC. It's unclear what, if anything, they did about it. Esp. since they were hacked twice, by different groups, a year apart, and the data dribble from their servers continued for months after the second successful hack, and for well over a year from the first.

[FarCenter]

10. ++

[Laura PourMeADrink]

15. Thank you so much for your response. It is interesting that there is

no evidence that the RNC was hacked. Or evidence that there was attempt. RNC pushing a great mis-information campaign over it. How superior they were to avoid it. What a bunch of bullshit.

I work at a bank and last year a clerk clicked on a link and hackers held all of our shared files for ransom. Every hour, the price went up. The bank finally paid it and got our files back - but we were fortunate enough to have an ethical hacker - most are not.

I have been curious about our DU hack too. Whether the FBI knows about it and if it was connected to the DNC hack. But, like you say, wide effort.

[fescuerescue]

20. fwiw...

That's not an ethical hacker.

That's ransomware, and most of it comes out of Russia. Nothing ethical about it.

(Ethical hackers are people who hack professionally, as a way of determining if a system is vulnerable and with the cooperation of the owner of the end system)

[SammyWinstonJack]

6. Well if the repukes say it, it must be true..guess their great defense

didn't work so good, since the RNC was also hacked. How convenient for them to leave out that fact while victim blaming .

[Ilsa]

9. I wonder if the timing of the FBI's warning might have coincided with

the bogus bait-click emails saying an attempt to sign in had occured and that they should click on this google link to reset their passwords. The hackers may have been waiting for such an opportunity.

[IphengeniaBlumgarten]

11. FBI's notice to the DNC was perfunctory only

What I recall is that someone in the FBI called the DNC helpdesk and told them about the hacking attempts. The FBI agent did not contact DNC information systems staff, and no one was sure if this had really been the FBI or some sort of prank. This was an overly casual approach and perhaps deliberately so.

[WhiteTara]

12. You don't think Rancid Penis is a truth teller

do you? He opens his mouth and lies come out.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

17. Of course not - but he said it with such certitude, and Chris Wallace

allowed him to say it. Typically, he's actually pretty good at pushing back when people say things that aren't true.

[meow2u3]

18. I don't think the FBI ever warned the DNC

They were in too deep with the Trumpanzees and the russkies.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

19. Given the whole Comey saga from July onward and apparent "tightness" w/Guiliani

It seems like their caution in dealing with FBI was warranted- if true (don't place too much trust in what Priebus has to say ever).