****BREAKING****Sen Amy Klobuchar (D-Patriot) "...the elections were not fair..."

[uponit7771]

Just now on MSNBC 4:34 pm central

exact wording: ".... any influence from a foreign intety makes an election ... NOT ... fair..."

and since voter suppression played a factor it was not free either.


Great someone isn't going to normalize Benedict Donald !!!



FUCK BENEDICT DONALD !!!

[pbmus]

1. Someone is sane on the hill

[yeoman6987]

13. Why didn't she vote no then on electoral college?

She had a perfect opportunity to do so. Now it's nice but damage is done.

[elleng]

26. My question too.

[MotorCityMan]

67. Ditto

[Chasstev365]

27. Beat Me To It!

Agree totally : 12 noon Eastern time was the time to object!

[2naSalit]

30. There are other

methods of handling this, I'm thinking.

Was talking with a good friend with connections to intel and he agrees that my speculation is more likely. Don't broadcast your arsenal before unleashing it is all he said and I agree.

[Fast Walker 52]

33. I doubt she was a Trump elector... why would she vote for him?

or you mean at the vote today?

How did that go-- even Dems voted to ratify the electoral college?

[yeoman6987]

35. Yes. The dems all did in the senate

3 in the house said hell no but since no democratic senator was willing, trump was voted in easily. Only 1 democratic senator needed to say no and the whole trump nightmare would be over. Even Biden after no democratic senator would vote no said, it's all over.

[Fast Walker 52]

47. oh, right, I forgot about that weird rule...

Is that like a filibuster or what?

[Crash2Parties]

63. It's an opportunity to debate each EC vote individually if need be.

But really it would've been a chance at getting a lot of this out in the open.

[Equinox Moon]

34. Was voting for HRC the wrong vote?

Senator Amy Klobuchar is from Minnesota and all 10 electoral votes went for HRC. Or are you referring to something else? Actually, I don't know whether she was an electorate or not?

[yeoman6987]

36. This was the whole congress voting today

3 house democratic reps said no. Not one Democratic senator would say no. Biden was so beside himself. If 1 senator would have said no. Trump would not have been named president. Lost opportunity. They even ignored Hollywood and the stars pleas for just one senator to say no. No one did. So her words now are meaningless except for maybe media seeing it and reporting it.

[Equinox Moon]

37. I need to go find this information about the vote today

How utterly disturbing! Why Oh Why did they not stop it?!
Even Bernie and Elizabeth Warren?

Democratic leadership seems to be lacking courage. I will find something to read about this, but it sounds awful on face value.

[yeoman6987]

40. I think they were afraid of backlash. Go figure.

[Equinox Moon]

41. I found a full AUDIO podcast report on today's vote

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028440468

This was really good to listen to. It is from www.BradBlog.com

[yeoman6987]

42. Thank you. I will listen. I am most curious about it.

[Equinox Moon]

44. It is very good and well worth your time.

[stevenleser]

71. Do you remember the last time in 2004? It was a 4 hour debate that did nothing.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/06/electoral.vote/

The normally perfunctory ceremony of counting and certifying Electoral College votes was delayed for about four hours as Democrats unsuccessfully challenged Ohio's votes for Bush.
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Alleging widespread "irregularities" on Election Day, a group of Democrats in Congress objected earlier Thursday to the counting of Ohio's 20 electoral votes.

The challenge was defeated 267-31 by the House and 74-1 by the Senate, clearing the way for the joint session to count the votes from the remaining states.

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The objecting Democrats, all of whom are House members except Boxer, said they wanted to draw attention to the need for aggressive election reform in the wake of what they said were widespread voter problems.

I'll bet few even politically active and aware people remember this.

[brush]

76. A little late. Why didn't she stand with Rep. Maxine Waters yesterday in protest?

Every Dem in the House and Senate should have stood in objection.

I'm really disappointed with the tepid, beating around the bush, lip service from the top Dems.

They know the election was stolen with the help OF A FOREIGN POWER.

[femmocrat]

2. But she could have protested the electoral vote today.

And she did not. No senator did.

[triron]

5. I think she wimped out.

[ananda]

18. I think they all wimped out.

If our Dems actuallly had a backbone, we'd
be living in a much better country.

[slumberland]

17. Any theories about why?

Why were all of them silent?

[triron]

21. No good idea.

Maybe they either don't want to rock the boat
or figure in would be fruitless.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

22. Must be fear of rocking the boat, because at this point,

It's last ditch or die....in that position, "fruitless" wouldn't sway anyone's actions.

So they chose to die....the slow death of fear.

Thanks a lot Dems.

[SammyWinstonJack]

25. Maybe because Biden told them it is over?

[elleng]

28. He told them it was over after they should have spoken up.

I have no answer. Left message for Senator Cardin yesterday.

[slumberland]

31. They (we) had nothing to lose.

At the very least, the upset created by throwing it back to Congress might have delayed choke-on-it Wednesday, coming up.

They literally cut off their mics!

[elleng]

32. :-(

[Richard D]

50. My theory

The hacking by Russia went much deeper than we are being told. So deep that there is dirt collected on every political figure that would be released if the objected. Coup.

[stevenleser]

73. Sure, see my #71 above. It would have been a useless and worthless exercise. nt

[stevenleser]

72. See my #71 above. That would have accomplished nothing.

I'll bet 95% of DUers don't even remember that footnote to 2004.

[brush]

77. Nah, if every Dem in the House and Senate had stood with Rep. Waters in protest . . .

it would have accomplished a resounding "Hell no." It would have prolonged the debate and the media would have been forced to cover the Dems rejection of the Putin/Comey aided presidency of trump. Even if it was just symbolic it would go a hell of a long way to show solidarity with the people out here who are feeling cheated.

Our leadership is lacking. Even the protest king Sanders just sat on his hands.

[femmocrat]

78. I agree.

Silence = complicity.

[Zoonart]

3. Thank You

Thank You Senator! Thank you for leading.

[Skittles]

4. PREACH IT

THE ELECTION WAS BULLSHIT

THE RESULT WAS BULL-FUCKING-SHIT

[Stellar]

6. Ish Don the Con didn't want to be formed in the mind of Americans.

[riversedge]

7. I was listening to her just now. She has always been upfront about the elections. She said

something similar not to long ago.

[WhiteTara]

8. But she remained silent today.

That normalized this horror show.

[uponit7771]

9. This is also fucked up, they should've said something even if they were outvoted

[WhiteTara]

10. I think we are doomed.

There is no one to stand between the public and the tyrannical maniacs who want to take it all.

[Laurian]

11. The only thing I can figure is that if the EC vote had not been

certified today, it would have been thrown to the House where Trump would surely win. That procedure might have lent more credence to his "election" than allowing the current mess to stand as it is.

This election has enough deviations and questionable circumstances that it will never be accepted as the true will of the people.

Sucks that nothing will be done about it, but the questions remain (and get stronger daily, it seems).

[uponit7771]

12. +1

[Rollo]

29. Yes, but...

Throwing it to the House might superficially look like a parliamentary system, when prime ministers are elected by parliaments, not by direct citizen vote.

However, it's rather apparent that even with a GOP dominated Congress, Trump would not have won a parliamentary election. For one think, he'd have to have been an elected member of Parliament. For another, the GOP leadership was not too thrilled about the prospect of him winning anything. But now that he's promoted himself into the top spot, the GOP leadership has fallen into line. More or less.

I wonder if Trump is going to rename his personal security detail "The Praetorian Guard"...

[Cracklin Charlie]

15. Maybe not normalized.

Maybe there is more they want us to see?

This is so weird.

[slumberland]

19. Agreed!

Maybe it's a test to get people to volunteer for the Mars one-way mission, which suddenly looks much safer.

[uponit7771]

38. +1, hopefully

[stevenleser]

74. If it would have done something, I would agree, but see my #71 above. nt

[Cracklin Charlie]

14. Thanks to Amy!

Can we get a statement from Tammy Duckworth?

[Gothmog]

16. K&R

[SaschaHM]

23. She's been on my 2020 list since the election.

[Sherman A1]

24. A bit late on that

Conclusion..........

[Initech]

39. This is not normal!!! Trump should not be allowed to take office!

[AgadorSparticus]

43. She AND EVERY CRITTER on the hill should be far more vocal

They should ALL be outraged and ALL should be getting their pitchforks out. ALL of them. Even the Republicans. This is NOT partisan politics.

[uponit7771]

45. Vocal in like willing to burn shit down... Not just talk

[uponit7771]

53. yes, they all should be ready to do somethin strange

[Mister Ed]

46. What makes it all the more encouraging is the fact that Klobuchar is no firebrand.

Progressives here in Minnesota have tended to view her as disappointingly mild, with perhaps too much of a "go along to get along" philosophy.

It's very good to see that even our more moderate Dems will not "go along" with the travesty that has occurred, and will not allow it to be normalized.

[Fast Walker 52]

48. so why didn't the great Bernie Sanders vote no?

[raging moderate]

49. Could they know something they can't talk about?

This reminds me of that Bush selection. Is the GOP holding some threat over their heads? There is a been-threatened feeling to them.

[turbinetree]

51. All it would take was one Senator to voice there objection to the electoral vote

being protested by the Congressional Democrats in the House and "not" one Senator said one word to have this debate not one, to discuss the report and what happened in the states and the voting not one voice.

And this was on the day that the semi-declassified report came out, these people didn't read the twenty-five page report?
BS

http://crooksandliars.com/2017/01/according-declassified-report-russians

A foreign state actor (Russia) and elections boards being hacked, and then having corrupt state governments like Michigan and there BS and PA and there BS ( they knew and still know what happened)

Amazing--------------------------normalization of BS for a f***ing transition or "power"


What am I missing from my civics class .........................

[MineralMan]

52. Please correct the spelling in your title.

It's Klobuchar, not Klopuchar. She's one of my Senators. Thanks.

[uponit7771]

54. done :-)

[BlueMTexpat]

55. This seems appropos

in connection with this post.

[uponit7771]

56. Bookmarked !!! Thx !!!

[Scurrilous]

57. K & R

[FairWinds]

58. Well, I agree with her comment . .

that, " .... any influence from a foreign entity (sic) makes an election ... NOT ... fair..."

But I have yet to hear ANY of the DC elites draw the obvious parallel and note
that it is also not fair for the US to intervene in other countries' elections.

Which it does routinely.

Folks, this is American Exceptionalism in action - and it is not pretty.

Veterans For Peace

[uponit7771]

59. Conclusion already drawn; Russia maintained access to state and local election assets seeing they

... were openly working to get Benedict Donald elected that's bad enough including conspiring to do so.

Raising the specious bar to above that is a distraction at best.

Also

We did it too is a distraction and a poor one at too, that doesn't mean that we accept results from the interference of Russia because the other people we supposedly interfeared with accepted theirs

[FairWinds]

62. When you use the phrase "supposedly interfeared (sic!)"

it shows that you are blind to reality, and don't spell that great either.

Here is the LA Times - good article
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-us-intervention-foreign-elections-20161213-story.html

But I guess you are correct that I am trying to "distract" you from your
exceptionalist illness.

To reject exceptionalism is to accept the humanity of non-USAeans, and grant
that they have as much right as we do to organize and run a polity.

Veterans For Peace

[uponit7771]

70. Another distraction, it doesn't matter if we did or didn't interfere with their elections we don't

... accept interference in ours

PERIOD

[FairWinds]

79. Very typical exceptionalist mind set . .

you cannot even consider the possibility that other
countries and peoples are of equal worth.

I suggest you do some traveling. As Mark Twain put it . .

“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness,
and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad,
wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired
by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.”

And what do you mean that "it doesn't matter"?
We've hosted two Chilean exchange students in our home,
and I can assure you that US GROSS interference in their
elections matters a great deal to them.

[RiverStone]

60. Then we should anole the results and have a do over!

Fat chance eh?

[uponit7771]

61. Some rich dem can sue for a free and fair election, ... yeah... fat chance

[flamingdem]

65. How about Soros?

Just kidding, civil war would ensue

[uponit7771]

69. Good point, but looking at things we're already in a civil war cept this time conservatives got ...

... another nation to help them BEFORE they fired a bullet.

[flamingdem]

64. Yay Amy

Thank god she's speaking the truth

[avebury]

66. K&R nt

[spanone]

68. K&R...