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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMalcolm Nance (Counter terrorism expert) said on CNN that the next question for DJT
regarding his campaign ties to Russia, "WHAT did he know and WHEN did he know it?"
He said if any intelligence personnel had said what DJT is saying or doing, "They would have their lives TORN APART and examined immediately."
The other intelligence expert panelist (I didn't catch his name) agreed. They both told Carol Costello that DJT's behavior has gone beyond "curious" to "suspicious".
Nance also tweeted regarding James Woolsey:
"Amb Woolsey as former DCI knew it was time to stand with the intelligence professionals. His Honor & Country comes first. Bravo."
Maybe, just maybe this will get legs...please! There isn't much time left!
spanone
(135,839 posts)Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)Film it!
These ratings really will be HUGE!
longship
(40,416 posts)Never call him president. Call him only Drumpf.
calimary
(81,295 posts)trump, donald trump, and The Donald.
And I think a standard question to put to ANYBODY on camera or mic, anchor, reporter, politician, political analyst, pundit, or other talking heads, particularly among the opposition, would be - "how would you react if Hillary was doing this?"
Grins
(7,217 posts)I. Won't. Ever.
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)The segment with Malcolm Nance is the 5th one down from the top.
https://twitter.com/CarolCNN?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Satch59
(1,353 posts)I sit up tall and listen when he's on...
And that is the missing piece: collusion...I think we all suspect this...why can't it be exposed?? Do they have to wait until he's sworn in?
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)He is one cool, calm cucumber. He's definitely not afraid of DJT to be saying these things and asking these questions on TV.
And yes, he DID use the word "collude"!
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)"At any time, did the DJT campaign "collaborate" or "collude" with Russia or Putin?"
YES! That is a very good question! One I believe I know the answer to.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)I have no doubt that the DJT campaign collaborated.
Paul Manafort was an adviser to Viktor Yanukovych
Michael T. Flynn appeared regularly on RT and gave speeches in Russia often
Carter Page became an adviser to the Russian energy giant Gazprom after Putin reestablished the Russian governments majority ownership of the private/public conglomerate and made a trip to Russia in July 2016 right after Trump named him as senior foreign-policy consultant to the campaign
Richard Burt is also a member of the senior advisory board of Russias Alfa Bank ("On Oct. 31, reporter Franklin Foer broke the story that a group of cybersecurity experts had tracked regular internet communications between Donald Trumps organization and Alfa Bank." from fourth article linked below)
Michael Caputo was under contract for Gazprom Media. And one goal of Caputos contract with Gazprom Media in 2000 was to improve Vladimir Putins image in the United States, as he admitted to his hometown paper, The Buffalo News.
The Donald has had ties to Russia for years:
Everything you always wanted to know about Russia and Trump but were afraid to ask (like, whens World War III?)Part I.
Michael Weiss
11.04.16 1:03 AM ET
Michael Morrell, a former acting director of the Central Intelligence Agency, broke dramatically with the protocol of most ex-spies when he used spook parlance to describe Republican nominee Donald Trump as an unwitting agent of the Russian Federation, albeit in the course of endorsing Hillary Clinton for president.
The colloquial term for the sort of person Morrell was talking about is useful idiot, someone enlisted in the Kremlins cause through sympathy, or shared interests, or, indeed, ignorance, without actually intending to be a pawn. But, as Putin certainly knows, the problem with useful idiots is that they tend to be insecure and erratic, whereas witting agents are tutored in how to be disciplined and self-controlled.
Trump is too illogical and self-contradictory to be of much use to a hostile foreign power except as a naturally occurring battering ram against the very institutions and beliefs that power would like to see weakened or destroyed. Trumps opponent (whom Putin assuredly does not want to see inhabit the White House) and U.S. democracy at large are the truer objects of a Russian state-run information and cyber-espionage program. That Trumps vulgar and demoralizing campaign is ripping apart America on the path to making it great again is simply an added bonus for the former KGB colonel.
Without dismissing the gravity of the Trump-Putin alignment, what our reporting makes clear is that the Republican does genuinely admire the Russian, but the feeling is not necessarily mutual. Putin has been discreet, if not cryptic, in his characterization of Trump. (See the next installation in this series for more.) One might say the relationship between the two is that of an amateur authoritarian taking cues from an aloof and bemused professional, but the performance delivered, to any outside observer, looks more like an oblivious farce than a credible imitation.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/11/04/when-donald-trump-was-more-anti-nato-than-vladimir-putin.html
The second in a series of articles examining Donald Trumps alleged ties with the Russian government looks at his not-quite-mutual admiration with Putin.
Catherine A. Fitzpatrick
Pierre Vaux
11.05.16 12:01 AM ET
Donald Trumps oft-stated admiration for Russian President Vladimir Putin isnt just about macho admiration or authoritarian envy. Its more in the spirit of a locker-room rivalry, a matter of camaraderie and competitionand to some extent deterrence. Searching for an analogy, one thinks of the way Russia-friendly U.S. Congressman Dana Rohrbacher once reportedly arm wrestled with Putin to decide who really won the Cold War. (One should note that Rohrbacher lost.)
Trumps frenemy strategyor ambivalence, its hard to know whichmay account for why he went from asking aloud on Twitter in 2013 before the Miss Universe Pageant, will Putin become my new best friend? to saying during the candidates debate on Oct. 19, I dont know Putin. I have never met Putin. He is not my best friendprompting a lot of weepy Putin memes on social media.
While Trumps business dealings with Russia and his foreign policy advisors ties to Russia have been intensely scrutinized by the media and now the FBI, evidence of direct Russian manipulation of Trump with the intent of affecting the U.S. election has been elusive.
The Russian leaderships own statements and the Russian domestic media and English-language propaganda outlets have been easier to document. But even those organs are careful to keep at least a semblance of balanced reporting on the U.S. presidential campaign, while Putin and top officials have repeatedly stressed their neutrality.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/11/05/donald-trump-s-unrequited-love-for-vladimir-putin.html
Despite a lot of boasts and some shady fixers, Trump has spent decades trying and failing to get a foothold in the Russian market.
Michael Weiss, Catherine A. Fitzpatrick, James Miller
11.06.16 7:59 AM ET
Donald Trump's infatuation with Russia goes back more than 30 years, to the glasnost period of the Soviet Union when communism proved no impediment to get-rich-quick artists with loose scruples and gaudy tastes. In 1988 Trump was famously hoodwinked by Ronald Knapp, a Gorbachev impersonator, who stopped by Trump Tower and shook The Donalds hand in what the latter clearly imagined was a rare moment in history, not to mention a wide enough slit in the Iron Curtain for capitalists on the make to wriggle through.
In 1986, Yuri Dubinin, Soviet ambassador to the United Nations, invited Trump to Moscow to discuss building a hotel that could stand as a symbol of the moguls international reach. Trump sought to erect his signature Trump Tower as an unmistakable totem to himself in the once-impenetrable capital of the worlds only other superpower.
And yet, not then, and no since, have we seen a gilded monstrosity rising in above the onion domes of Saint Basils Cathedral. Russia, it seems, has proven too elusive for Trump to establish his highly touted name-brand, even though he and his scions have boasted of the steady stream of rubles pouring their way.
Russia is one of the hottest places in the world for investment, Trump said in a 2007 court deposition (about which more anon). We will be in Moscow at some point.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/11/06/trump-s-russia-towers-he-just-can-t-get-them-up.html
Why do so many of Trumps campaign staffers have dodgy ties to Russian energy companies or Russian state clients?
James Miller
11.07.16 1:00 AM ET
Between the summer of 2015 and the GOP convention a year later, a great many pundits were surprised by the rise of Donald Trump. Although polls consistently placed him ahead of his Republican peers, his style was so vulgar, his policy pronouncements so bizarre, that many pundits dismissed Trumps chances. And still he kept winning.
Then came the drafting of the Republican Party platform by the Republican National Committeea solemn 66-page document stating in a succinct 35,000 words the positions of the Grand Old Party. By all indications, Trump, who doesnt care much for reading, was willing to let virtually all of it pass.
But there was one point in that mass of verbiage where the Trump team fought for a change. It wanted to remove a call for arming Ukraine against Russian-backed militants (and covert Russian troops) and softening language on Russias aggressive actions in Eastern Europe.
Despite the fact that multiple news agencies confirmed the original Washington Post story, Trumps then-campaign manager Paul Manafort repeatedly denied any such thing happened, and witnesses to the change even accused the Republican leadership of trying to cover up the incident.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/11/07/trump-and-russia-all-the-mogul-s-men.html
pangaia
(24,324 posts)It is so difficult to get the truth out because it is so complicated, the people who NEED to hear this don't have the attention span of a castrated billy goat.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)Got to do some real life stuff right now.
Generic Brad
(14,275 posts)But we may get a lot of angry tweets due to asking.
randr
(12,412 posts)DeminPennswoods
(15,286 posts)I think it's an open secret that Trump is extremely indebt to Russian Banks and money controlled by Russian oligarchs, both of which are controlled by Putin. I would not be the least bit surprised to learn that word has gotten to Trump to play ball or Russia will call in the loans causing the financial ruin of Trump's businesses and probably the kids' businesses, too. Trump is 100% for Trump and nothing else so threatening to pull the financial rug out from under him would be a very effective strategy.
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)for his Miss Universe bullshit, would Putin (KGB) pass up an opportunity to bug and do surveillance 24/7 on a
sex-addicted predator? Groper was there without his wife. I would bet the farm that there are tapes of him in very compromising "positions" with underage girls or pageant contestants. BLACKMAIL Donny-Boy?
Ligyron
(7,633 posts)It just proves to deplorables what a stud he is.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)It could really hurt him. People held on to that "just talk" crap because they could not see it or put it into context.
Seeing someone being abusive (and naked) would be a different thing.
Ligyron
(7,633 posts)His tiny hands will never appear on any American's screen.
Besides, Dump is more than willing to do his master Putin's bidding lest his loans are called in or made public.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,432 posts)These speculations aren't far from what you'd expect. Putin is capable of anything, and we know he's ruthless.
The people who will never be caught taking part in this coup are those within the FBI. If there were "ideologues" within the FBI who were "furious" about HRC's presumed immunity from prosecution, who are they? And are they real? Did Comey make up a story about this highly vocal faction of the FBI, or was there actually a faction? Who are they and why were they allowed to express their political opinions within the highly professional context of the FBI? And why would Comey allow them a voice in HIS behavior? Why didn't he put them on notice that he was observing the professional level of their conduct if he, Comey, was so concerned about professionalism? This crap about Comey victimizing himself with all of the "pressure" he received from within his Bureau is a ruse, IMO. Comey made it up. Now he's trying to rehabilitate his image. B.S.
HurricaneWarning
(220 posts)If Comey knew all this crap that was thrown at Hillary was coming from Russia to make Trump look better, he must have known how damaging his comment would have been. The fake news was not having that detrimental an effect, so he threw in something that would! He is just as much , if not more, to blame. The election was rigged.
bdamomma
(63,867 posts)mr. pu**y grabber. Putin got tRump his bitch dog.
JI7
(89,250 posts)the money. and that seems to have always been the case.
Botany
(70,508 posts)..... Moscow and then got some video. Putin also owns Trump with the millions if not billions that
different Russian banks and businesses that have loaned Trump money or bought into his businesses.
blm
(113,063 posts)His enormous ego and his appetite for nonconsensual sex.
HurricaneWarning
(220 posts)I just creeped myself out.
tibbiit
(1,601 posts)Putin has film on him.
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Hamlette
(15,412 posts)and the GOP might slowly peel away from Trump, starting with McCain. If it can be shown that Putin and Trump planned this together, I can't believe it will go over well with most Americans.
Trump will have to kiss Putties butt to keep him quiet.
Coming home to roost, considering how many times we've done this to other countries. Which of course will be Trump's talking point.
coco22
(1,258 posts)kept saying "With all due respect to Trump" what are they afraid of?
genxlib
(5,528 posts)Someone in DJTs inner circle was directly involved with Russia (let's say Manafort) but trump himself was oblivious to it. After all, he thinks so highly of himself he doesn't think he needed the help.
My prediction is that today's briefing is his chance to get on board the bus or go under it. They will lay out the evidence and give him the chance to get out in front of it.
Either announce and denounce your campaigns involvement or continue to play dumb and deflect as the info goes public. Either way is really damaging
CrispyQ
(36,470 posts)They helped get him elected with their 24x7 coverage of every word he spoke, they never pushed for his tax returns, they accepted that stupid letter from his "doctor" without question, there was hardly any talk about the many lawsuits he's involved in. I hate the media & the CBS CEO can go fuck himself with his comment about Trump being bad for America but good for CBS.
colorado_ufo
(5,734 posts)to give his followers time to absorb i8. Too much too soon and they won't believe it and will rebel. He is already laying the witch hunt defense.
lillypaddle
(9,580 posts)I am so sick of seeing his picture, hearing his voice. I may have to just tune out for the next four years, or until his impeachment, whichever comes first. I am just sickened that this POS is going to be POTUS.
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)He has very clearly been what he is all along.
This is about 1/3 of the country being such deranged assists they voted for him and another 1/3 of the country being such hapless dolts they were willing to accept him as POTUS by either not voting hillary or not being bothered to vote at all.
lillypaddle
(9,580 posts)except it IS about him, because he is going to be POTUS.
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)for that reason, but my anger is with the 100+ million asshats in this country that voted for him/didn't bother to vote, and even further, the same basic group of people for voting R/not voting and being OK with Rs being the malicious POS scumbags they are, not just in DC but in most states.
This shit didn't start on November 8th, it has been a nonstop slide since the 90s.
I have LONG moved past being focused on Bush, the endless stream of scumbag senators, congressman, governors, state reps and senators, even the shitbag conservative media profiteers.
This isn't about them, it is about the people of this country who gobble up their bullshit buy the evil liberal boogyman and relentless enable republican fuckwittery, time after time, after time, after time ...
Tactical Peek
(1,209 posts)I would really, really like to have heard that last thing it looked like Nance was about to say at the end.
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)I hope not.
Tactical Peek
(1,209 posts)Love to hear that guy rap it down.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4618684/malcom-nance-trump-vs-clinton
zentrum
(9,865 posts).....up to his neck in debt to Russian Oligarchs for various real estate deals. And Putin wanted Tillerson, the fossil fuel mogul, to help with Russia's main export, which is oil, and Putin got him.
My two cents.
JI7
(89,250 posts)Nance has been talking about this for a while and everything that is happening just seems to prove the things he has been saying to be right.