At this point, I am disassociating myself from people who voted for Trump.

[MineralMan]

If I know they voted for Trump, they have told me they did. That's the end of the association, as far as I am concerned. If they ask about my cessation of communication, I will tell them why. If they do not, I will simply forget about them. There was no question about who Donald Trump is and what he stands for, long before the election. Anyone who could vote for him despite that is not someone with whom I want to be associated in any way. Trumps racism, misogyny, and other bigotry was right out in the open and was undisguised. It was impossible not to be aware of those things. No, thank you very much.

If a person keeps their vote to him or herself, that's fine. If I don't know, I can't shun that person. But, if a person tells me he or she voted for Trump, that's the end of it. Period. I'm out. I'm done. I'm finished.

[yallerdawg]

1. Never tolerated Republicans.

Now they have jumped the shark!

[MineralMan]

2. I have tolerated Republicans.

I will not, however, tolerate racists and bigots. Nobody should, including Republicans. It is time to take a stand on this.

[stopbush]

4. I seriously wonder how any R gets elected to any office in this country.

These are the people who ruin the economy while stealing wealth from the populace and giving it to the already wealthy, who lie us into illegal wars, who are brazen in their disdain for women and minorities and who are trying to turn the clock back on decades of progress.

You'd think that their track record would scare off anyone with half a working brain cell. Yet here they are in control of everything.

[MineralMan]

8. It's hard to understand, isn't it?

[tblue37]

23. Actually, it is not hard to understand at all.

I posted this comment on another thread to offer some explanation of Republicans' electoral success:

The Republicans play the long game. One aspect of that is the willingness of right wing oligarchs to invest in communication channels and think tanks, as well as funding candidates, activists and activist groups, and party offices at all levels. They fund candidates for every office, no matter how local and insignificant, and those GOP candidates often run unopposed!

Those local and state politicians make their bones, gain invaluable political skills, and establish national profiles, thus becoming familiar to potential voters, many of whom vote largely on name recognition.

Unlike the Democratic Party, the GOP always has a lot of new talent in the pipeline because they actively cultivate their future officeholders, funding them, training/mentoring them, and providing them with opportunities to present themselves to politically active party members and to the general public.

Wealthy right wingers are true believers, willing to keep funding their RW media, even if they take a loss on some of them.

The GOP has most of the billionaires willing to commit to long term funding of political activism: the Koch brothers, the late Richard Mellon Scaife, Sheldon Addelson, Rupert Murdoch, the Mercers (i.e., Cheato's main wealthy supporters), etc.

Juan Cole once wrote an essay about how after completing his PhD he watched his RW classmates get recruited for well paid jobs at right wing think tanks or on Republican politicians' staffs, while he struggled to find any sort of decently paid work.

We have most of the really popular entertainers, but they tend to be multimillionaires, not billionaires, and many of them can barely afford to maintain their own lavish lifestyles and entourages. They donate to some high profile candidates, mostly for national offices, but ignore the need to build party & political infrastructure. They lack the intense political understanding and involvement and the money
to play the long game the way the RW billionaires do.

Usually liberal movie stars or other entertainers, like athletes or musicians, will focus on raising awareness and funding for a pet cause, only turning their attention to elections every four years, and then almost exclusively to presidential elections. Think, for example, of George Clooney's focus on Darfur, except for his Hollywood fundraising parties for Democratic presidential candidates.

George Soros is the main politically savvy billionaire on our side willing to invest in infrastructure for long term goals, but his political attention (and money) is spread around the world, in efforts to promote democratic/liberal goals in many different countries.

[prairierose]

42. Thank you tblue37. This is a very clear, succinct...

explanation of the most important part of the problem on our side. However,the fact that the DNC gave up on state parties and the support of labor is another important part of the problem that needs to be examined and discussed.

[Dustlawyer]

45. The reason for this is that these billionaires do it because it pays their bottom line.

They get reduced regulations and taxes. They also get government contracts out of it. On our side they have to do it because it is the right and fair thing to do.

[tblue37]

66. Precisely. To a right wing oligarch, the costs are like investing in lobbyists or

ad campaigns. In the long run they get a very healthy return on their investment.

[Hekate]

78. Very well laid out and very true. Thx tblue37.

[Act_of_Reparation]

11. There's a simple reason, really.

People are stupid.

Sure, there are a handful from every generation that present honest curiosity about the universe they inhabit, and a handful of genuine geniuses that propel mankind ever forward, but the vast majority of people, irrespective of national origin, are complete morons. They always have been, and always will be.

[Act_of_Reparation]

34. Once, I was optimistic.

I figured there was hope for these people. They were just misled and misinformed. I no longer think that's the case.

I think the majority are completely and irreparably stupid. They've no ambition and no curiosity. Hand them a beer and sit them down in front Here Comes Honey Boo Boo and they're living in their own private Xanadu.

There's a smaller segment who are moderately intelligent. That is, they are curious and have the ambition to learn. The problem with them is that they present an overabundance of opinion or a deficit of discipline, and rather than using their intelligence to follow fact to it's conclusion, instead twist the evidence to validate their preconceptions. This would be the libertarian/conspiracy theory crowd.

It's no accident governments have, since the dawn of time, feared entrusting too much power to the masses. They're impassioned, fickle, and most frighteningly, completely intellectually unprepared to assess most civic issues, let alone decide on proposed solutions.

[7962]

94. Modern TV has ruined millions of minds.

Everyone knows what every Kardashian is up to, yet they dont have a clue who their Senators are

[Act_of_Reparation]

98. A popular sentiment, but I don't think that's the case.

Fifty years ago, it was the dirty hippies. Sixty years ago, it was Rock and/or Roll music. Before that, it was comic books, and before that flappers and alcohol. Every generation looks for some convenient and external explanation for their failings. Every generation comes up with a different scapegoat, and yet every generation has dealt with more or less the same issues. Methinks everyone is looking in the wrong place.

[yallerdawg]

5. My perspective is from the South.

They were racists and bigots long before you-know-who showed up.

A "good" Republican professes they aren't, but votes for a party that does.

[beaglelover]

6. I'd have to disassociate from my entire immediate family. I don't see that

happening. Thankfully, we don't discuss politics when we're together.

[pipi_k]

10. That's one of

the unwritten rules with my family as well.

No religion. No politics.

I don't inflict my beliefs on them, they return the favor.

And that's actually how it is with Mr Pipi's family, most of them. There are too many other interesting things to talk about when we get together.


On Christmas Eve, for example, I had my son almost peeing his pants from laughing so hard at my descriptions of what I have to go through to cut my toenails. Yeah, we're weird like that.

[7962]

95. Thats a GOOD weird!

[FreeStateDemocrat]

7. Morally bankrupt, no critical thinking skills, and usually arrogant about their deplorable behavior!

I am very uncomfortable around people who are willfully ignorant and love their Fox spews.

I am disassociating myself from them (some are relatives) and I have not watched any cable news since election day forward.

I will try to minimize my exposure to the entire side-show for the next four years.

I am hoping for someone to emerge that will save us and while I was not an active supporter before I now see Bernie as the passionate spokesperson for the progressive party.

I trust no Democratic party hack at this point in time but hope that will change and some champions of reason will be coming forth with guts and determination to stand up for the underclass.

[Duppers]

109. Same here.

The very same.

I am very saddened this country is now so divided but I didn't do it, they did.

I've made arguments for just causes with these people and was rebuffed because of their ignorance and hate. They seem unreachable.

To say their actions should be ignored or overlooked is unacceptable. I will not accept anyone with such values, even extended family members. Their values, thoughts, actions must have social consequences. To ignore that is to make their ignorance and hate socially acceptable and make them feel comfortable and I will not do that!

[oberliner]

9. Many Trump supporters aren't racist or sexist.

Bernie SandersVerified account
?@BernieSanders
I do not believe that most of the people who are thinking about voting for Mr. Trump are racist or sexist.

https://twitter.com/berniesanders/status/794941635931099136?lang=en

Also see the other part of HRC's "basket of deplorables" speech:

But the other basket -- and I know this because I see friends from all over America here -- I see friends from Florida and Georgia and South Carolina and Texas -- as well as, you know, New York and California -- but that other basket of people are people who feel that the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures, and they're just desperate for change. It doesn't really even matter where it comes from. They don't buy everything he says, but he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won't wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroin, feel like they're in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-trailguide-updates-transcript-clinton-s-full-remarks-as-1473549076-htmlstory.html

[MineralMan]

13. But Trump is. If you vote for a racist and a bigot,

then you give your approval for racism and bigotry. Who Trump is was known generally before the election.

There are no excuses. Sorry. If you elect a racist and bigot, you have a responsibility for your vote. We all are responsible for the people we elect to office.

I'm not buying what you're selling. Not at any price.

[oberliner]

19. I am just sharing what Bernie and Hillary have said on the subject

I found it persuasive, personally. I don't believe that everyone who voted for Trump is an awful person whom I have to disassociate from. There are definitely some racists and bigots among those voters to be sure, but there are others who are neither.

[MineralMan]

21. Here's the thing: I form my own opinion and

have my own ethical standards. While I listen to others, I am not necessarily in agreement with them.

Did some people vote innocently for Trump? Perhaps, but if so, they did not vote based on real information, but perhaps on slogans and emotions. I lack respect for people who do not vote for people based on thinking and information about those people.

I have a limited set of people with whom I associate. Few of them would ever have voted for Trump. Those few are no longer my associates at this time.

What Bernie and Hillary say is interesting, but is not necessarily how I decide things. I do have a mind of my own, and I use it.

[oberliner]

24. Understood

I think you ought to use your mind to consider that possibility that some people who voted for Trump are not racists and bigots.

If what Bernie and Hillary have said on the subject is not convincing to you, I would ask you to at least take a moment to see if you can maybe find a few Trump voters who are not racist or bigots. Open your mind to the possibility that they exist.

My opinion is that if you were willing to engage in that exercise, there is a chance that you might discover that some such people are out there.

[pnwmom]

37. They couldn't have voted for someone who wants to persecute whole categories

of people without being bigoted themselves.

[oberliner]

50. FDR put Japanese-Americans into internment camps

Would you say that everyone who voted for FDR in 1944 was a bigot?

[pnwmom]

51. I would say that that was a different era and anyone today who would

support such a thing would be bigoted.

In 1944 our whole culture was, but we as a culture have made at least some strides since then.

[oberliner]

56. So the people that supported Japanese internment in the 1940s were not bigoted?

Because it was a different era?

Or are you saying everyone in 1944 America was a bigot?

[pnwmom]

61. They were part of a whole culture that, yes, was bigoted.

But we have moved beyond that as a culture. The civil rights battles of the 60's moved us ahead on that front. We still have a distance to go but we are not as bigoted as a culture as we were then.

[oberliner]

63. What about people who voted for Bill Clinton?

In spite of his stated opposition to gay marriage.

He said this in 1996:

"I remain opposed to same-sex marriage. I believe marriage is an institution for the union of a man and a woman. This has been my long-standing position, and it is not being reviewed or reconsidered."

That was during his re-election campaign.

And, of course, he signed the Defense of Marriage Act a few months before the election.

[Hekate]

81. Poke poke poke. Keep at it till you get the response you want?

[oberliner]

86. I think my point is a reasonable one

I am trying to present as much evidence as I can in support of it.

[pnwmom]

99. That was 21 years ago and we have moved beyond that now too.

Bill Clinton also has.

But even then the DOMA was an attempt to hold off a much worse prospect -- a Constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, which was a real possibility at that time.

[oberliner]

101. Maybe some Trump voters will move beyond their bigotry in 21 years

Maybe we can even help a few of them get there.

[pnwmom]

102. I think many of them are beyond redemption. They have an inflexible, authoritarian

mindset that will not change. We'll see over time.

[oberliner]

115. I agree with you

Many of them are beyond redemption, but, I would suggest that many of them aren't. At least, I hope that is the case.

[nil desperandum]

53. Careful now...

you're starting to make some sense...

[MineralMan]

69. So he did. I wasn't around in FDR's time.

I was born a week before the Hiroshima bomb was dropped, developed under his administration, though. I had a college friend who was born in the Manzanar internment center. I have often condemned FDR for that policy, and will continue to do so. No President in my lifetime has been perfect. Far from it. Would I have voted for FDR? Certainly. Would I still have condemned he internment policies. Yes, absolutely. Did he also do much that was praiseworthy. Yes, indeed, he did.

I do not know of a single thing from Trump that I would not condemn. Not a single thing. There are differences between politicians and elected officials. I'm knowledgeable enough to recognize them. Trump is a racist. Trump is a misogynist. Trump is a bigot on many fronts. He makes no bones about it. How could anyone vote for such a man? I disassociate myself from such people. I know better, and they should, as well.

[oberliner]

88. So you would still vote for someone who put Japanese-Americans into internment camps?

You would be willing to set that aside because of the praiseworthy things that FDR did?

[NastyRiffraff]

60. Dump NEVER made a secret of his many prejudices

including racism, misogyny, xenophobia, anti-LGBT, anti- Muslim, etc. etc. etc. I do have to give that, he WAS honest and open about it. (talk about damning with faint praise). Anyone who wasn't horrified by that is someone to be avoided. If they voted for Dump, they weren horrified; either they endorsed it, tried to excuse it, ignored it, or weren't paying attention.

In any case, people to be shunned, like the Amish do.

[Uponthegears]

76. "I lack respect for people who do not vote . . . based on thinking and information"

Do you seriously think that a huge percentage of voters ON BOTH SIDES do not fall in this category?

A huge swath of voters know ONLY what they are told by their usual media source and by what they are told by us (their politically active friends and those actively involved in political campaigns).

When Trump says Spanish-speaking undocumented aliens bring disease and crime, the only way they know otherwise is IF SOMEONE TELLS THEM. We know what the MSM is worth, so did WE as Democrats get out there and talk about AVERAGE Spanish-speaking undocumented aliens (you know, the millions that are living hand to mouth in sub-human conditions and getting paid sub-human wages so their kids will not starve) that voters see in the media every f'n day, OR did we talk about the exceptions, the ones that fit the white suburbanite definition of successful, the class presidents, the ones shared the suburbanite dream of going to college? Is it the voters' fault for failing to see the value in the lives of the immigrants who struggle and do not meet OUR DEFINITION of success?

When Trump says that Muslims don't share our beliefs and pose a danger to our way of life, the only way they know otherwise is IF SOMEONE TELLS THEM. Did we as Democrats get out there and talk about Islam as one of the worlds great religions, or show the devotion of Muslims going to pray multiple times a day, or about how Islam has been victimized by the West since the end of the first world war, or how every day Muslims are struggling against hate and prejudice every single day OR did we talk about the exception, the Gold Star family, the ones living out the suburbanite values of patriotism? Is it the voters' fault they can't see the same value in the poor, and yes, sometime angry, young Muslim in Minneapolis as he follows a religion which we consistently attack for its failure to live up to Western values and come to the conclusion that Trump might have a point?

How about those black kids who weren't class president, or innocent bystanders? When Trump talked to voters about the murder rate in Chicago, or "supporting the police," and how we need MORE law enforcement and HARSHER penalties, did we get out and talk about WHY so many of those people who look like me find ourselves at the wrong end of a gun? Did we talk about the Michael Browns who are constantly getting shook down by cops just looking for an excuse to haul them off to jail or shoot them dead in the street? How about the ones who live without hope, the ones whose lives were ruined with felony convictions by the time they were teenagers? Did we as Democrats get out and talk about them OR did we limit our discussion to how our heroes, the ones that even suburbanites will applaud and identify with, still suffer discrimination? Is it the voters' fault they latch onto "tough on crime" and "broken society" rhetoric when every day the MSM is talking about the Chicago murder rate?

Even when the conversation turned to misogyny (which seemed to be the focus of most of the post-election campaign), did we talk about what every woman faces every day, or did we talk about Trump's disgusting behavior all the time unable to explain why we don't find every person with a history of sexual aggression unqualified to be president? Is it the voters' fault they can't distinguish Trump from the multitude of men who have run for president and won despite histories of sexual aggression, discrimination, and disrespect?

There are a ton of Trump voters who are just flat out morally decrepit. I join you in saying that I want nothing to do with them. However, to shun voters for voting out of ignorance when we failed to educate them, is simply hiding our own failures. It's like the parent who shuns the child they raised.

The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars . . .

[Bayard]

27. YES, YES, YES!!!

I've tried to put forth some of those ideas on other threads, and got flamed for it. If all of this quote had received ANY exposure before the election, it could have turned out far differently.

[Bettie]

32. They are certainly not only OK with it

but embrace the sexism, racism, homophobia...you know, it would be easier to list what they aren't against.

They love rich, white men, especially if they "speak plainly" about their disdain and hate for other groups of people.

[pnwmom]

35. Bernie's wrong about this. Anyone who's willing to support a racist,

sexist, homophobic, anti-Semitic and anti-Islamaphobic person like DT is also willing to sacrifice those people -- which is deplorable.

[Maru Kitteh]

80. Oh bullshit. They voted FOR racism and misogyny making it a

distinction without a goddamn difference. They are not nice people, or good people or even STUPID people. Trump made no secret of who he was. Screw Trump voters AND their apologists.

[oberliner]

87. Some of them are nice people or good people

Some of them are stupid people. Some of them are awful people

I know folks in every one of those categories.

[Maru Kitteh]

89. Good people do not vote for Grab 'Em By The Pussy sexual assulters. Period.

They are not good people. They sure as hell aren't NICE. But since you're a white male it doesn't affect you, does it. That's rhetorical. No need to answer.

[oberliner]

90. Yes, they do

For you to say every one of the 60 million people who voted for Trump, among them Latinos, African-Americans, women, etc., are all bad people is preposterous.

[Maru Kitteh]

105. No. They don't. For you to say that people people who vote for pussy-grabbing racists are GOOD

people is preposterous.

[oberliner]

114. Of course they do

For you to say that every single one of the 60+ million people who voted for Trump is a bad person is preposterous.

[cwydro]

91. I do too.

And I'm a gay female.

But don't get in the way of the hate.

[dionysus]

116. You think roughly half of voting americans ate just plain evil?

[maxrandb]

12. Dropped several friends and I'm sorry to say my brother too

It's not like these folks were just walking down the street one day, tripped, fell into a voting booth and accidentally hit their head on the Trump button.

Voting for this "waste of skin" took action and forethought. It was premeditated, and all the "I'm not a this", or "I'm not a that" rings hollow when you consider that voting is NOT passive.

Regardless of whether you're a racist, bigot, misogynist, hate-filled POS, or just simply a MORON, I don't care to associate with you.

[Bettie]

33. It is like when someone says

"I'm not a racist but..." you know that the next words out of their mouth will be virulently racist.

That is who voted for Cheetolini. The people who say "I'm not a (fill in the blank), but (insert hateful message about said group)" are his base and they are not good people.

I'm related to a whole lot of them and I will never, ever trust them to do the right thing again. Some I will be forced to interact with, but politeness is all that is required of me and all that I will ever give to them again.

[Bettie]

55. So, have you often heard those words

"I'm not a racist but..." followed by anything worthwhile?

Or are you just sayin' that the Trumpkins are "good people" who voted their "conscience" and believe in "equality for all", but without the "political correctness" (you know, that whole bothersome treating people with respect thing).

I'm tired of sucking it up and being the nice one. All it gets me (and Dems overall) is a kick in the teeth.

Why keep doing the same thing if it always ends up the same?

[sarah FAILIN]

14. I made a huge announcement that they were all obviously lacking a moral compass

I said I refused to associate with them and good bye. It felt damn good except for the part where I can't rub it in their faces when I'm proven right, but I can handle that.

[MineralMan]

16. I'm not much on rubbing people's faces in things.

I can simply disassociate myself from them. If they ask me why, I will tell them. If they do not, then I'm unconcerned about them.

I do not have to associate with anyone. I choose those with whom I associate. It is that simple, really.

[7962]

97. Love that screen name! nt

[berksdem]

15. I guess I am looking at this from another point of view with respect...

I have associates that voted for the Orange Cheeto but I refuse to write them off. I think it is very easy for us, as Dems, to write people off as racists and/or bigots - and I completely understand the point. For me it is about making them understand what they did to America and themselves when they voted Trump. Most of the Trump folks I know are decent hard-working people that would invite any person of color into their home. They simply overlooked Trump's bigotry b/c they felt the status quo government was not working in their interests. I live in Central PA where manufacturing jobs are gone and unless you are a college grad with a decent job things are not that easy. In short - these people were conned and not everyone that gets conned in this world is stupid or deplorable. Misguided and uneducated? Absolutely...

My course of action is to work harder in our grass roots group and continue to fight for what is right. During the election I witnessed more Trump/Pence groundwork than HRC. Frankly, it was like the campaign just did not spend any time in the area which was disheartening. Trump/Pence bus was in my town yet you rarely had anyone/anything that gave presence to HRC. I was voter #131 on election day and there was not a single HRC sign at the voting poll in the early morning. Not until noon was their anyone at the polls for HRC.

Writing off every Trump supporter is just creating more of a divide. Do I want to be their best friend? Hell no... I have a lot of anger/frustration as I can't imagine why anyone would vote for Trump. I have lived in a largely Republican area for years and have witnessed the battle cry against HRC for years. I knew this was coming and worked hard to change the outcome of the election but feel depressed that, in the end, it did not matter. As always people vote with their money in mind which will turn out to be Don The Con's biggest con on the working class.

It sucks and I understand that people want to disassociate with Trumpers and I feel the same way. Some people were just fooled and now we are going to pay the price.

[MineralMan]

18. I will be happy to answer questions from people I

no longer associate with. I will explain my reasons, clearly and succinctly. Most will not ask, though. If they know me, they will already have their answer. If they do not know me at that level, then virtually nothing is lost.

I'm simply going to stop dealing with people who would vote for such a man to be President. It will cost me nothing to stop. I work for people on a contract basis. Most of them, I do not know well enough to know their political beliefs, and my association with them is at a distance and non-personal.

[berksdem]

29. yes, and I do not disagree...

there is a larger group that I will also move-on from as well as I don't know them all that well. I coach ice hockey for a rural high school team and listening to the parents speak about politics is enough for me to quit at times. These are the type of people that I truly just walk away from b/c I don't want to get caught up in the discussion. In reality, they know my beliefs and try to bait me into discussions... most of these discussions are as intelligent as a group of children on the schoolyard.

I was speaking more for the people that I actually considered "friends" and there are only a few. I am lucky enough to live in a upper-middle class neighborhood that does have a lot of Democrats. Although, nearly everything surrounding us is Red... Again, I agree with your premise and do not fault anyone for thinking this way. I have run the gamut of the emotional scale over this election and think I am just numb at this point. Not only am I worried about the country I am also worried about our own party. We need a voice right now and we need to defeat this man....

[lunatica]

20. I don't blame the people who voted for Trump

I blame the 44% of Americans who didn't vote. I have co-workers who 'just couldn't bring themselves to vote for Hillary'. Why? Because they 'didn't trust her'.

I've lost all respect for them.

As for the Trump voters. I don't like them, will never like them, but I don't think they have the power that the 44% of non voters have.

[MineralMan]

22. Non-voters have never had any respect from me.

I don't believe there are any among people with whom I associate. Non-voters are pretty much non-persons when it comes to my thinking about people. It's such an easy thing to do, and so important, that I simply can't even understand a person who does not participate in elections. They make no sense at all to me.

[berksdem]

31. very good point...

I have heard this one a bunch as well... these people aggravate me more than anything!

[The Polack MSgt]

25. No Trump voters - No Stein Voters

I'm pissed at anyone who stayed home as well, but I can't really cut them off the same way.

If someone actively helped Trump win, they are obviously hostile to my wife (an immigrant) and don't care that my children are going to lose their health care.

How can I speak or associate with anyone who doesn't give a rats ass whether my children live or die?

Yes that includes some relatives, as well as some people who I thought were life long friends from my years in the service. It's sad, but I'm not feeling a bit of guilt over this.

You actively voted to cause harm to those I love. Fuck you and your "reasons".

I didn't declare myself your enemy - You did it to me

[JustAnotherGen]

44. This right here

I didn't declare myself your enemy - You did it to me

What the apologists in America - and even right here at DU want us to know - is that we are supposed to be weak simpering idiots who have 'feelings' for the Trumpsters.

What they should use THEIR mind to understand is - we aren't idiots. We aren't the weak ones. We aren't going to suck Trump Fans you know whats.

They declared war on us - they can go fuck themselves.

[WhiteTara]

26. I ask and if they say they did

I withhold money...i.e, no job or sale for them. Wait staff also get the same treatment. I tell them I am preparing them for POS reign.

[ileus]

30. Somehow I doubt they will care.

[MineralMan]

70. You may well be right, but I DO care.

[hunter]

38. I was surprised a few days ago...

... when my red California white working class pickup truck driving gun loving nephew lit off against Trump.

He graduated from a "Christian" high school and basically told his Trump-voting evangelical Christian acquaintances and former friends to go fuck themselves.

He didn't just burn his bridges, he blew them up, severely wounding a few stubborn evangelical Christians who were still trying to "save" him.

Part of me was a little alarmed, I hope there are no repercussions at his work and I have my own sordid history of blowing up bridges behind me, but another part of me was proud.

If there is any group I do not understand it's the Christians who believe God wanted them to vote for Trump.

[ffr]

41. Find out what caused his rebound, model it, test it, and market it.

I'll be your first customer. I could use about 5 gallons. Name your price!!!

[Hoyt]

39. Good point, anyone who is proud of voting for Trump is truly a Deplorable.

[AtheistCrusader]

40. This is not a strategy to win. Us vs Them is a tool of the divisive right, and I won't use it.

We need to be the ones to help, to hold out a hand, so these people can see who actually gives a shit, because the time will come when they will realize Trump doesn't give a shit about them.

I'm not closing my doors to anyone. A Trump voter is a resource to be mined for future elections.

[dawnie51]

43. Exactly my process too......

I find that I hope it never comes up. People I had always assumed were nice people and now, after I know this, I can't ever look at them again. I just can not. Maybe I'm super flawed too. But I'll take my flaws over these uninformed racists any day.

[Tatiana]

46. I'm doing my best. In-laws are not welcome back into my home, sad to say.

These people need to pay a penalty -- they need to have a consequence for their awful behavior.

By voting for a racist, misogynistic moron, my family members and co-workers have basically said they don't care about me or people like me anyway.

I feel like California right now -- I'm standing in opposition to everything Trump and his administration represents.

[HoneyBadger]

74. Would you disown your kids over it?

And therefore grandkids of course

[Tatiana]

107. Yes. It's a huge mistake in judgment.

Just as I would disown a son that abused a woman or a child that pledged allegiance to the Nazi party.

I'm not saying everyone has to make that choice, but it's one tool that I feel can be used. Just yesterday, my husband told me that his mom was thinking about some of the last comments I made to her and if she had known everything that has come out about Trump she "might have done" voted differently. Now I haven't seen anything new about Trump that has come out since voting day.

I think it's her guilt. She feels guilty because she knows she voted for the wrong candidate. I want her (and my other in-laws) to sit in that guilt for a good long while. Maybe the next time they vote, they'll make better choices.

[SammyWinstonJack]

47. K & R

[byronius]

48. It is an absolute deal breaker.

Never been this black and white.

[cwydro]

49. Will they know they've been shunned?

Is this like the Amish "shunning," or will they not even notice?

[MineralMan]

71. I can't say. If they ask me why I'm no longer

having anything to do with them, I will explain. Many will neither notice nor care.

[lambchopp59]

52. I don't have to dissociate myself. The Trumpeteers amongst my family and acquaintances

dissociated themselves from me 8 years ago from the moment I asked them to cease sending me preadolescent level, blatantly racist and/or patently false memes about the Obamas.
I attempted to bridge simple civility with them. But rather than ceasing only the slanted crap, they either cut off all communications, some started sending me anti-gay hateful crap as a personal attack, so I had to block everything from them.
The likes of the Trumpeteers have proven to me they are willing to cut family ties to defend their bigoted bullshit. Newer acquaintances and co-workers I've met have only brown-nosed the supervisors they know don't share their confabulatory entrenchment, but avoid making close associations with equals who don't share these goofball notions.
Frankly I'm saddened to see our social ilk as democrats further separating ourselves however, this last round was so blatantly, disgustingly lowest denominator of hateful pandering on their part that I can no longer blame abandoning hope of civility.
I'll add this note about Trumpeteers who decided to make cutsie memes about being amongst the deplorables:
This time the likes are especially deserving of that label. There is nothing "adorable about deplorable", period.

[mnhtnbb]

54. I started disassociating when "friends" identified themselves as proud

to be deplorables. I want nothing to do with people who are proud to identify with a racist, misogynistic, bigoted,
ignorant, narcissistic pathological liar.

My brother and his wife voted Trump. I've had no communication with them since. Sent a holiday card/letter,
but didn't personalize it at all. It's been a long time coming, actually, since there's a lot of history for my brother
being very selfish and inconsiderate.

My husband has a bunch of family who are Trumpists. I keep them as "friends" on fb because he insists--but
I have them blocked so only look at their walls occasionally to see what's going on. No change, really, for me,
as I don't communicate with them.

[mountain grammy]

57. I feel the same way.

I don't go out to "happy hour" anymore because the trumpers are there and the bar owner is a trump asshole, so I've decided not to line his pockets. I live in a tiny town.. there's nothing to do all winter but shovel snow and socialize once in a while, but it's all good. I'm saving the money and sending monthly donations to PP, the ACLU, and a few other favorite causes.

Fuck happy hour.. I'm not that happy anyway.

[Throd 2.0]

58. I'm not going to do that.

The majority of people in my town voted for Trump and they are not monsters. I don't think it would be healthy to always have at the back of my mind "hmmmm, did he or didn't he vote for Trump".

[hatrack]

106. They voted for one . . .

Actually, they voted for a whole cabal of sociopathic, ideologically gangrenous monsters.

But they're "good people".

OK.

[BlueMTexpat]

59. Me too.

This includes family members, although those few who voted for Trump were ones I already avoided for other reasons.

Now it's final.

[nil desperandum]

62. No doubt

that will help them vote Democrat in the 2018 elections.

I know I'm a low count poster who mostly posts in religion forums so I'm trying to tread lightly here, but it used to be a progressive trait to be comfortable patiently explaining to the opposition why they were wrong and how their actions hurt the nation and to do so until they either saw the light or gave up in trying to defend their bigotry and they moved on quietly into the shadows where it's still important to shine a light on them.

I realize some Trump voters are serious assholes, but people with whom I've established some sort of honest relationship are people I feel I can speak to and as this presidency progresses there will no doubt be a host of opportunities to illustrate exactly why they were wrong and hopefully convince them that their vote was a direct support of those wrong moments.

I will concede for the true bigots nothing you or I say will alter their mindset, but I am hopeful that some can be shown the light and convinced to vote and think differently moving forward.

My apologies if I've offended.

[oasis]

64. If they voted for anyone but Hillary, or did not vote. They get the

cold shoulder from me.

[Dan]

65. what is really sad

Everything about Trump is about conflict.

He has the everyone fighting each other.

Just about every Cabinet pick of his - will generate conflict, not only here, but internationally.

He is destroying everything decent or worth keeping.

I have a friend that voted for Trump because she hated Hillary. Now, for the first time since we were children, we are once again worrying about the potential of nuclear conflict. Her answer or response is - trust in God to take care of us - and she doesn't watch the news because she doesn't want to hear anything bad. A refusal to accept responsibility for their actions.

I honestly don't know if we (everyone) will survive Trump, because he has the nuclear codes - and if things get bad for him, the possibility of being removed from office - I have to question will he unleash hell on earth. There is nothing in his personality that indicates that he cares about anyone but himself.

So, those that support the GOP - and their stated ability to control him - well, as they butt kiss him now, we know that was always a lie.

I don't know, I guess the only positive is that I hope that I live one second longer than the last Trump voter so as to enjoy their plight - before my journey to hell.
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[rtracey]

67. I did

I did the day after the election. Not only the voters, but Fuckump, the congress, the Senate, the Supreme court, everything that will be touched by Fuckump. I WILL do the following....

1. I will NEVER listen to what he says when sworn in, because he will immediately lie to the US people upon swearing to the constitution.
2. I will NEVER watch another network news broadcast on ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, FOX, CNN. Every station lied and gave Fuckump as much free time as possible.
3. Depending on who and what transpires in the next 2 years, will tell me to either quit the democrat party and become independent, or stay in our party. I need to be resold on the lefts values. I have always called myself a Kennedy Liberal, but my party has let me down.
4. The only info I get is on here, and after the Hillary bashing/Bernie or bust bullshit, even AFTER the nomination was set, I may begin to distance myself from ALL left and democratic forums. Votes are votes, anyone not voting for Clinton voted for Fuckump, even if the vote was for Stein, Libertarian, or just absent.

I'll come up with more at a later day.... MineralMan.....I'm with you....

[La Coliniere]

68. Understandable

Unfortunately I also am keeping a distance from Trump supporters. I had worked out at the same gym for over 10 years, but after the election I decided that I no longer wanted to engage in any political discussions with gym members who were Trump voters, of which there were many, so I started working out at a different gym where I can exercise without distractions. Before the election I had many lively political discussions with both Trump and Hillary supporters almost daily. I seldom would initiate the conversations, but would respectfully and enthusiastically give my 2 cents when asked. As usual, I argued using facts, Trump voters spewed Fox News talking points. I've known many of these guys for years, many of them police officers or COs, and I can tell you that most, but not all, are unapologetic racists who also supported the monster Carl Paladino (the idiot who recently made news because of the racist comments he made about the Obamas - I live in Buffalo, NY). After the election I knew that my discourse with Trump voters would potentially become volatile, so I decided to ditch that scene and begin fresh at a new gym. I have also declined holiday party invitations from relatives who supported the Orange Carbuncle. I'm lucky that my significant other and immediate family are all solid progressives who voted for Hillary. I have nothing but disdain for those who helped usher in this era of uncertainty and danger. If and when buyers' remorse sets in for them, I will not lend a shoulder to cry on. They should've known better.
I just want to add that through empirical personal evidence, (and through what statistics are showing), I believe this election was not about the economy or jobs, it was a cultural election based on racism, misogyny, homophobia, xenophobia, and a bewildering hatred of Hillary Clinton that was the result of 20 some years of unsubstantiated lies about who she was. Every Trump voter I know (more than 20) has a great job or is living off a pension they are receiving because they were members of a strong union, such as the teamsters or auto workers. You would think they'd know better, but fear of losing white privilege was a powerful motivation in getting them to cast votes against their own self interest.

[Bayard]

72. Just Curious

Does anyone have a child that voted for Trump? Have you frozen them out?

[MineralMan]

73. I have no children.

I decided not to in 1965.

[ReformedGOPer]

83. My 29 year old son did.

But I refused to let him speak about anything political during the past holidays. The little I did speak to him about, it was obvious he was a low information voter (although he doesn't think so) He told me at Thanksgiving that Trump did release his tax returns but the media hasn't reported it. At that point I realized for the sake of peace, to stop trying to enlighten him. He wouldn't have any of it.

[Gothmog]

75. Same here

[Maru Kitteh]

77. "There was no question about who Donald Trump is and what he stands for, long before the election."

Thank you MM. I know you won't be around any more today - and I'm so very sorry to hear about your family tragedy today - but I did want to say thank you for this post. It speaks for me.

I do not care to coddle, excuse or ponder the feeeeeelings of deplorables who knowingly chose to vote in favor of "mexicans are rapists" and "grab 'em by the p*ssy." As you said so well, I'm out. I'm done. I'm finished.

[MichMan]

79. Would those who agree feel the same if Hillary had won?

I must say I would never go to the lengths that many here have stated to completely disassociate with family, friends, and acquaintances based on them voting for Trump. While we are all distraught over the outcome, I just can't see ever going to that level with people I have known for many years.

How do you all plan to deal with co workers? You have to work with them on a daily basis or look for employment somewhere else.

For those who do feel this way, would you have had the same reaction of Hillary had won? After all, the same people voting for Trump would have still be categorized as racists, homophobes, bigots, sexists etc. regardless of the outcome.

[delisen]

82. Understandable. We are over 300 mil;at least 30 mil are authoritarians by personality

When authoritarian people feel there is too much freedom and too little structure they react by lashing out and trying to create their version of order-which often entails destroying the freedom and rights of others.

I think Clinton was right about the number of deplorables-about half the Trump voters. I don't think they are amenable to reason. I think they actually may feel better when other people begin to set boundaries on their behavior. It provides structure.

[rug]

84. Real life does not have an Ignore List.

[Midwestern Democrat]

85. Well, almost all of my closest friends are conservative Republicans - I'm not throwing away 20+ year

friendships over an election.

[rtracey]

111. and

and you shouldn't. It is all preference to what we, (as in our own individual) beliefs are. I have zero conservative friends, and majority of my friends voted democrat. I have several family members who are conservative, but they tend to attempt to "fix" me from my Kennedy Liberal beliefs, so cutting them off is really not a problem.

[AmericanActivist]

92. Same here Mineral Man. nm

[Angry Dragon]

93. You need a 'Trump Free Zone' t-shirt

[MadamPresident]

100. I'm not but they're doing it to me on social media.

Who would have thought it was the big, bad Trumpers who actually need the safe spaces?

[lunasun]

103. No trump voters in my immediate circle but I am still pissed at those who couldn't vote for Hillary

Actually all stay at home voters but I won't stop talking to them
however I will remember and not forget thier purity or apathy did nothing to help stop trump.

One is already walking around saying don't blame me I didn't vote for trump.
Yes, I had to retort , but you didn't vote to stop him being elected either.

I have no use for bonding with any trump voters before or after the election and I assume based on thier election rhetoric that it is a mutual stance

[BigDemVoter]

104. Same here.

I am DONE. Luckily I live in the bluest city in one of the bluest states, so I have little contact with any of those morons, but there ARE a few here, although they don't like to admit it. . .

But. . . . I didn't grow up here. I grew up in Hellville, Red State. Most if not all of my former classmates voted for that thing. As I hadn't kept up with many of them, I didn't really have to cut off contact, as it was a rare occasion that I would ever speak with them anyway. Nonetheless, I want nothing to do with them. If you vote for a Nazi, racist pig, you're not a friend of mine.

[jimlup]

108. I'm 100% with you on this

I unfriended several on facebook on November 10th or so. Further I can't bring myself to associate with Trump people. If someone at works starts spouting about it (fortunately, rare where I am) I just leave the room.

[heaven05]

110. yep, done that

one associate of 20+ years, history. And can't understand why I'm this way. Did the vote for the new fuhrer because he didn't like HRC's central american politics and actions.......I told him pre-election that type of thinking would pale to insignificance if the new fuhrer got in....now he's second guessing himself....I told him to f*** off!!!!!!!!!!!

[usaf-vet]

112. At this point, I am disassociating myself from people who voted for Trump..AND

AND who crammed the vote for Hilary, vote for Hilary down our throats. The people (DNC) and their local lackeys who killed Bernie's chance for real change. They know who they are and they will never be trust by me again.

[MineralMan]

113. I see. Well, OK then...