"Do we want Trump to fail?"

[kpete]

https://twitter.com/Marmel/status/811701394860163072

[still_one]

1. That is the problem with the media in general, they intentionally avoid context, which Steve Marmel

quite eloquently provided.

The people who trump has made part of his team tell you exactly where he is coming from on the issues.

So yes, I too want that racist, sexist, anti-environment, bigoted agenda to fail miserably

[brer cat]

5. It's a trap.

"Don't you want to make America great again?" "Have you stopped beating your wife?" Loaded questions seeking entrapment. He did very well to provide the context and take the wind out of their sails.

[still_one]

72. Of course it is a trap, you're right

[progressoid]

62. It's like the one question I hate getting from pollsters.

"Do you think the country is going in the right/wrong direction?"


Without context, the answer is meaningless. I might think the country is going in the wrong direction for a completely different reason than a tea bagger.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

78. I take surveys on YouGov and every time they do that I put comments on at the end of

the survey saying just that.

I say that your survey results are useless unless you allow input as to why. I say I will not criticize Obama in your surveys because you may interpret it to mean I think he's too liberal as opposed to what I actually think.

Now, I want to say the country is going in the wrong direction, but without the chance to make it clear that I feel that way because of Trump and other conservatives, I'm not sure how to answer now.

Once the Megalomaniac in Chief is sworn in, I'll have no problem saying the country is fucked.

[JawJaw]

83. Heheh!

Yeah, that old 'word-mincer' can stay safely tucked away in the kitchen drawer until our nightmare is over!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

77. Fail WORSE than miserably!

[liberal N proud]

2. Trump wants America to fail

The republican leaders in Congress want America to fail.


It is how they will kill all social programs; social security, medicare, FEMA, Department of Interior, EPA, Labor, Education and others.
It is how they will replace a democratic government with a totalitarian system.
It is how they will build the military to obscene levels.
It is how they will finish off the last of the middle class, creating two class society with extreme poverty across the nation.
Then they can force everyone to work for pennies.

[Auntie Bush]

16. They won't have to FORCE anyone to work for pennies

The people will Love to get a job paying pennies! How else will they be able to put food on their table...if they haven't already burned it for firewood.

[liberal N proud]

31. By force, I was thinking along that line

No choice will be the new way.

[lark]

43. Hammer meet nail.

Beautiful succinct summary of his "killer" plans.

[Angry Dragon]

61. you are so right

[bucolic_frolic]

3. a most important exposition to print and carry

to be shared far and wide, something to print and carry, to memorize

[SylviaD]

4. I want Trump to quietly resign the presidency...

...and Mike Pence to quietly decline the presidency.

That's what I want.

[Auntie Bush]

17. We'd all love that!

And put president Hillary in office...while we're wishing.

[brooklynboy49]

26. I want a unicorn!

n/t

[SylviaD]

85. Your sarcasm is NOT appreciated. nt

[hunter]

57. I'd take a Gerald Ford.

Let Trump self-destruct after Pence goes down in flames.

It seems likely there's a lot of crap in Pence's closet, otherwise he wouldn't be Vice President.

The Republican party is held together by dirty secrets, blackmail, and policies of Mutual Assured Destruction.

That's probably how Dennis Hastert got to be speaker of the house. The Republican Party could keep him on a tight leash because they knew he was a child molester.

[cstanleytech]

68. I want them not to be the clusterfucks that I think they will be of the two I think yours

is the most likely.

[niyad]

73. I want trump and pence and ryan and the whole motley crew in jail.

[lastlib]

6. Eugene Robinson (Wah. Post):

"I Hope He Fails"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/where-i-wish-president-trump-failure/2016/11/14/5f2b0926-aa90-11e6-977a-1030f822fc35_story.html

[brooklynboy49]

28. Love Eugene Robinson

Spot on, as always.

[Cosmocat]

7. Its pretty simple - if Trump "wins" this country gets fucked

All of this POS 70+ years have been about him being one huge suck - everything is about him, and he will stop at no means to fuck people over to benefit himself.

That only 1/3 of this dumb ass country sees that doesn't change the reality.

He is only for HIMSELF.

So, any person with the first fucking lick of sense wants him to fail.

[maddiemom]

9. Only one third of the country sees that?

I beg to differ. One half of the country is probably a conservative estimate.

[Cosmocat]

11. The math on November 8th was pretty clear

1/3 of us see this shit clear as day and want no part of it.
1/3 of us are right wingers and get off on it.
1/3 of us are either "independents" or apolitical and either just don't care or are swayed enough by right wing bullshit to accept it.

This is one of those things that democrats, progressives, liberals need to wrap their heads around.

The jackasses have been running around unchecked for over a quarter century now with democrats twiddling their thumbs outside of having two superstar personalities run for POTUS.

With conservatives having a free reign to spout of complete nonsense for going on three decades we have completely lose the "middle." See, republicans with 2/3 power at the state level.

[FailureToCommunicate]

8. By all the reasons Trump secured the Presidency, the country HAS ALREADY

failed. It is up to us, the living, to be (once again) dedicated to the work of repairing our country.

[Cosmocat]

12. Yep

unfortunately "we" remain subject to the majority of stupid around us.

WE may see this shit clear as day, but 2/3 of the country does not.

[Stellar]

10. McConnell said he wanted Obama to be a 'One term President'

Was that question posed to him as they stood uniformly in Obamas way to everything Obama tried to do during our economical melt down.

To hell with Donald Trump, his cabinet and baskkket of deplorables. I hope they fail and I'm not afraid to say so.

[Cosmocat]

15. At a bare minimum democrats

need to, for fucking once, not bend over and vote with this ass holes.

There is a LOT of bad shit coming, they need to own it 100 percent.

[lark]

44. With Chuck Schumer in charge in the Senate,

this is exactly what you can expect to see. He will stab us in the back repeatedly, is what I think.

[Cosmocat]

47. the likely scenario

This is how democrats have done their part in last three decades to allowing us to get to this point.

[Bucky]

13. I want America to thrive. I want Trump to do good & right things

I want his malice to fail. It ain't personal. I want him not to do things that will harm American families

[spanone]

14. i hope his message of hate, misogyny and racism fails miserably. this is not a 'normal' election

[Proud Liberal Dem]

18. Depends on the definition of "success"

Which I'm reasonably assured has almost nothing to do with the general welfare of the American Public. I suppose that I would hope that Trump is successful in the way that ensures that we aren't annihilated in a nuclear conflagration.

[world wide wally]

19. Dear America,

This is another fine mess you've gotten us into

[turbinetree]

20. The one question that was missing do you support a serial predator

No I do not support a serial predator, pathological liar, fraud, narcissistic, megalomaniac authoritarian, racists , bigot fascist, and the "man" that he nominates to the U.S. Supreme Court is an illegitimate justice and his ruling should be null and void and fU Mitch McConnell and your treasonous team of fascist, if you didn't hear, here it it is again FU.

And also to your theocratic church members and appointees that he is going to put on the judicial benchs, FU

And Oh by the way f*** him and the horse that everyone of the right wing republicans rode in on, everyone one of them, and yeah, not only should they fail, but they eat s*** and should bark at the moon


He is not our president, by the votes cast, he is a LOSER 62 million deplorable jerks

[Paladin]

21. Wake up, Democrats. Trump isn't set to improve on inauguration day.

He means to take this country into the toilet. He's crazy, and his followers are too stupid to see what's coming, so it's up to us to do what we can to stop it. Whatever it takes.

[lancelyons]

24. i agree

I think he could take the country into the toilet and his followers will just say that the toilet is the best place to be. And that the media and left are lying about how great it is to live outside the toilet.

[democratisphere]

22. When you alienate more than 50% of the countries population

you are governing, you have already failed.

[lancelyons]

23. I do want him to advance the country.

Certainly I dont like many of the republican ideas but I am all for making the country better and to that end I hope he succeeds.

- I want my 401k to remain strong.
- I want to keep my job
- I want to have social security when I retire in 15 years.
- I dont want us in any wars
- I want my childrens lives to have many opportunities.


These are the core for me. Sure I want everybody to get along, to not have hate crimes because of your skin color or to be treated differently because of your religion and sex. But the ones above are more central to me and I hope those stay strong.

Would I love for those to stay strong while Trump and the republican imploded because of their bigotry and hate and misguided ideas, of course.

[cheyanne]

25. Trump will fail in HIS objectives whether we want him to or Not.

It's like a kid asking for the moon: yes, he will fail to get it . . .

His ideas of "winning" and "failing" are a small child's: what he wants is by definition "good" and what he doesn't want is "bad".

We know he will fail in "unifying" the country (i.e. suppressing opposition).

He will fail in creating new jobs and economic growth (i.e. by cutting taxes on the rich and improvishing the workers).

He will fail in securing peace (i.e. dominating the world by aggression and fear).

We can only fight to protect our democracy against his kleptocracy and protect the world against his fellow dictators.

[NNadir]

27. America has already failed by putting Trump in office. With due reservations about Godwin's law...

...there are plenty of people who should have failed for the betterment of the world at large.

This is a man who is committed to destroying the future entirely.

In a Democracy, such as this is at least partially a democracy, one gets what one deserves. Our country has committed a crime by installing a destructive and unstable freak, a racist, a misogynist, a thin skinned psychopath without a trace of humanity or ethics.

We deserve the failure we are going to experience.

The only good thing about this situation is the US capacity to find and bring forward great leaders after a fall, Lincoln after Pierce and Buchanan, FDR after Coolidge (a right wing hero) and Hoover.

Let us hope for that chance to succeed, some great leader to undo the damage Trump is sure to do, ironically to the uneducated deplorables who "elected" him, but let us fight this failure out of the box as much as we can, to at least minimize what will surely be outrageous destruction.

[no_hypocrisy]

29. If this country fails under Trump, it depends how far gone it is.

Obama inherited a failed country from * and restored it and without the help of a single Republican.

FDR inherited a failed country from Hoover and restored it.

Failure is a relative term. But if Trump "succeeds", we may not have a democracy at the end of his term.

[Hoyt]

30. Want him to fail at deportation of Latinos, hate legislation, big tax cuts, etc. But, otherwise, no.

Unfortunately, I think he will fail us.

[SamKnause]

32. Yes, I want Trump to fail.

I want the Republicans policies and agendas to fail.

They represent the 1% and do damage and destruction to the 99%.

I want them to fail miserably.

[hughee99]

33. If you read this thread, you can actually see many of the same arguments the republicans

made when we said they wanted America to fail because they said they wanted Obama to fail... but it's different now because Trump!

[ret5hd]

34. So you consider Obamas and Trumps policies are equivalent?

[hughee99]

35. No not at all.

It's just interesting to see the symmetry. The fear we have of Trump is not unlike the fear they had of Obama. Their fear was ridiculous and unfounded because they're wrong, but ours is fine because we're right. 8 years ago, you needed to respect the office and if you wanted the president to fail, you were "against America". Now, some of the people who made that argument decided it's no longer convenient and have started making the exact opposite argument, but it's different now, because we know we're right and they're wrong.

[Bradical79]

38. That's a stupid oversimplification

Lets say my neighbor and I are afraid of each other. My neighbor is afraid of me because I have a different skin color. I'm afraid of him because he told me directly that he's going to burn my house down and murder my family. On a surface level, you could simplify it as "we are afraid of each other". But if you look at any kind of context, it's pretty clear there's a clear difference here.

It's the same thing here. One side is afraid based on vaugue or false irrational reasons. The other side is afraid because Trump has a concrete history of fucking people over, has made direct threats to our lives, and associated with/hired people even more threatening.

[snort]

39. Yup

[hughee99]

42. I'm not saying everyone made this generalization, but many did.

Eight years ago, when Obama won, many people on our side made the argument that the "office" should be respected and that we should all want the president to do well because it's in everyone's best interests. Certainly, that seems to be a logical argument. It was made in vague terms rather than specifics, because it makes people look like they're standing on a principle rather than just making the case because our guy was in and their guy was out.

Republicans said they "hoped he failed". Now they could have meant much the same thing as in the OP, but people here tried to frame this argument as hoping America failed. Anyone who wasn't rooting for president Obama was rooting against America.

Now the country has elected a republican jackass and those who may have appeared to stand on principle 8 years ago, when it was convenient for them, are nowhere to be found. The framing of the argument equating support for the president and the country is no longer convenient, so it's time to stuff it away in a trunk for the next 4 years until it will likely get dusted off and brought back in Jan 2021. At the same time, there's some republican somewhere dusting off his old arguments that he hasn't been willing to use in the last 8 years since the last time "their guy" was in office, but we both know the republicans will be saying that hoping for trump to fail is hoping for America to fail and trying to frame the argument the same way we have been.

But thank you very much for making my point... THEIR fears are irrational, ours are not, so it's completely different. Everyone's fears seem rational to the person who holds them.

[ret5hd]

40. Symmetry, yes. Alike, no.

Their "fear" of Obama was not based on fear of his policies truly destroying the country. In fact, much is not "fear" at all. Frustration maybe, but not "fear". From the pols and rich, frustration of their inability to gut ACA, Medicare, Medicaid, SS, etc and grab those last evasive dollars with their bloody red hands. There was no "fear" of the country collapsing into chaos or tragedy. Those fears simply weren't there. Nobody truly thought that ever-so-slightly more stringent air/water regulations were going to strangle the country and plunge it into a dystopian hellhole...they might truly disagree but did not "fear". The same can be said for policies regarding inheritance taxes, unemployment insurance, and myriad others. If there was any "fear" it was fear that these policies would prove popular and effective, thus subjecting any of their future pronouncements to deeper scrutiny.

Amongst us hoi-polloi, those who are neither rich nor powerful, there was no widespread fear of nuclear destruction. There was true fear of losing a job (and all that can accompany that situation). A truly respectful fear that is. A fear all of us may have felt, coal miner or no. But a "fear" of BLM? No. A "fear" of clean water regulations? No. A "fear" of Grandma getting too much healthcare from Medicare? No. A "fear" of political correctness? No.

I submit that the fears of Trump, while symmetrical, are objectively different than the fears of Obama/Clinton/Dems-In-General. The fears of Trump are based on "the world", fairness, sustainability, equality.

Theirs, amongst the pols and rich, are based on simple greed. The hindrance we are to their squeezing the last of our dignity from us till we fall to our knees pleading for any small crumb of sustenance. Amongst the more common (but Republican) folk, theirs is a more personal fear. Jobs, identity, a place in the world. But they don't "fear" not being able to call a Black "that word". It pisses them off, but that's not fear.

I know I know...way too rambling and disjointed. But I think you get my drift.

Geez, Bradical79 said in 1/4 of the words what I was trying to say.

[hughee99]

46. Their fear was absolutely based on a fear of his "policies" destroying the country.

Look, if republicans knew a good idea when they saw one, or understood the real, future implications of actual policy proposals, they wouldn't be republicans. To a republican, a regulation that says you can't put sewage in the drinking water may (using their logic) lead to some situation where the government starts stealing your own well water and selling it back to you. Also, I think there's this idea on both sides that THEIR president is all powerful, but OUR president can't do anything without approval.

Some progressive pundit who once attended an Obama luncheon says they should confiscate all guns, and all the sudden, there's a fear that Obama will implement that policy. You and I may not consider that rational, but they did. Some conservative pundit suggests that the president will censor and "disappear" anyone who speaks out negatively about his administration, and people here are talking about it like it's just weeks away. I don't consider this a rational fear either, but there are people here that seem to have it.

[3catwoman3]

63. This is about so much more than the difference beween...

...Democrats and Republicans.

This is about the difference between decency and depravity.

[gopiscrap]

36. Yes

[Gothmog]

37. Trump's policies are bad for America

Yes I want these policies to fail

[Scurrilous]

41. K & R

[louis-t]

45. No we don't want him to fail. We just don't want him to

destroy civilization, the planet, North America, the east coast, or D. C. WE don't want him to wreck the economy again, but he will. The ideology hasn't changed.

[pressbox69]

48. Simply because we don't want fascism and racism to succeed.

[ffr]

49. I want tRump (Drumpf) to succeed. Then I can hold his feet to the fire.

When he inevitably goes down in flames as the Worst President Ever. And that's saying a lot about his incompetence. Just look at GWB, the current title holder and poster boy for incompetence.

[NastyRiffraff]

50. ANYONE who paid attentio to Dump's campaign

will want him to fail. EVERY ONE of his policies, such as they are, are based on racism, xenophobia, mysogyny, hatred of LBBTs; in other words, hatred. EVERYONE should want him to fail, and fail badly, humiliatingly.

His Cabinet and WH staff choices alone should warn us of the very real dangers ahead. YES, I want him to fail.

[MrPurple]

52. Dems need a serious wave election in 2020 to undo the gerrymandering

I shudder thinking how much the orange nightmare is going to gut the EPA, climate change, the deficit with tax cuts for the wealthiest, unnecessary military spending.

The only silver lining would be if he manages to become so extremely unpopular that it generates a significant wave election for the Democrats in 2020, so that they take back a lot of state legislatures/governorships. Then, with the 2020 census, they could undo the shit gerrymandering that has left the Rethugs in control of Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Florida, even when they get fewer votes.

There's no way Trump isn't going to be a disaster. The important thing is that in 2020, Americans on both sides of the aisle view him as one.

[stonecutter357]

53. "Do we want Trump to fail?" A Massive Heart Attack will do.

[lillypaddle]

54. Besides ...

doesn't matter my or anyone wanting, he will fail because he is a fucking moron.

[Cattledog]

55. YES!

[MFM008]

56. YES

and he will.
If maggot can be counted on to do anything its to make himself rich
and FAIL at all else.

[LisaL]

58. It doesn't matter what we want.

[zentrum]

59. Pence is just as bad.

….in terms of policy. And he would be next in line.

I want Trumpism to fail.

It's catastrophic.

[Warpy]

60. I want him to lose his fingers in a golf course ball washer accident

No more Twitter, no being able to punch in those nuclear codes, no more pointing that finger to scold the rest of us.

[Ocelot Aardvark]

64. In a Word: YES!

You got some nerve linking Twump's failure with the country's failure.

If the INSANE-ORANGE-MENACE succeeds, that is when the country will fail.
I will do everything in my power to prevent Twump from succeeding in anything and everything he does.

Furthermore, I will give the SLOBBERING-GROPING-GOON the same measure of recognition and respect that he,
for 8 years, gave to President Obama … ZERO!

[gopiscrap]

84. welcome to DU

[MarinCoUSA]

65. YES! And I DO NOT want to have a beer with Orange Pustule Hitler either. Ever! LOCK HIM UP

Every fail by Ornage Pustule is a win for the country

[judesedit]

66. Fantastic post! My sentiments exactly. Gerrymandering is the only reason that asshole is where he is

It would've been any ReTHUG. It was carefully choreographed over years. Let's watch them as they screw their own mothers and children. The poor things have to live with this tragedy now for years to come, along with the rest of the sane and insane.

[lunatica]

67. Today I woke up thinking this exact same thing

If he does something to mitigate Climate Change and creates jobs in renewable energy alternatives for millions of people I hope he succeeds. If he does the opposite I hope he fails.

Simple.

[adigal]

69. Absolutely! Block him on everything, total fail!!! Nt

[jmowreader]

70. It's not a question of wanting Trump to fail

He's going to. The question is, HOW is he going to fail? There are two options.

The first and most desirable is Trump failing in a way that improves, or at least doesn't harm, the country - he can't repeal Obamacare, he can't ban abortion, he can't defund public education.

The other? He gets what he wants, those things blow up in his face, and he takes the country with him.

The Republicans WILL go nuclear and kill the filibuster. Bet on it. When they do, the Democrats need to stand very firmly AGAINST every damn thing Trump wants. The GOP must own the devastation they are about to create.

[Paladin]

71. Yes. (nt)

[oberliner]

74. This is what Rush Limbaugh said about Obama

Limbaugh's excuse for hoping Obama fails -- 'Dems did it too' -- is baloney

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x429835

[Skittles]

75. TRUMP HAS ALREADY FAILED

he's supposed to bring us together but after losing the popular vote by THREE MILLION VOTES, he goes on a "victory tour"

FUCK YOU DONALD FUCKING TRUMP

[fleabiscuit]

76. Cone on 2016, you still have a chance at a small redemption. nt

[DallasNE]

79. That Will Happen Without Any Help From Us n/t

[world wide wally]

80. Yeah, sure. You betcha!

[Raine]

81. I wish him as much success as the reTHUGS wanted Obama

to have as president..

[Buckeye_Democrat]

82. Fail at destroying all civilization on Earth? Yes, I want him to fail at that...

among other things.