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FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 02:56 PM Dec 2016

Democrats are trying to figure out what to do next

But while some Democrats read up on struggling white working-class voters and consider a strategy that prioritizes pocketbook issues over identity politics, others point to data suggesting a more complicated understanding of why Clinton failed to win in the former Rust Belt states.

An examination of the exit polls in three key states that helped swing the election Trump's way revealed that the economy was by far the most important issue to votes. But among those who reported the economy as their top issue — at least in the abstract — believed that Clinton had a stronger message.

In Michigan, 52% of voters said economy was "most important issue facing the country," compared to 60% of voters who said thing about the economy in 2012. This year, Clinton won by 6 points among people who reported that the economy was the most important issue, while Obama only won the issue by 3 points.

In Pennsylvania, Clinton won by 4 points among the 56% of voters who reported that the economy was most important issue facing the country. In 2012, Romney won by 5 points among the 61% of voters concerned most about the economy.

The results were even more stark in Wisconsin. While about the same percentage of voters said the economy was the "most important issue facing the country" in 2016 and 2012 — 55% and 56% respectively — Clinton won those voters by 11 points, while Romney won the issue by a single point in 2012.

Matt McDermott, a senior analyst at Whitman Insight Strategies, acknowledged that while Democrats "need to do a better job" of connecting with workers concerned about economic and personal finance issues, "it's not the reason Hillary Clinton lost this election."

http://www.businessinsider.com/democrats-trump-econmic-issues-polls-2016-12

Possibly it is not about economics at all and the voters rejected Democratic core values and who we are as a party.

That is a harder problem to solve.

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Democrats are trying to figure out what to do next (Original Post) FarCenter Dec 2016 OP
They better get a copy of the Koch bros playbook so they can fight back! kimbutgar Dec 2016 #1
It is out in public already--called "1984." nt tblue37 Dec 2016 #6
What is the matter with these buffoons..!!! pangaia Dec 2016 #2
Theres really nothing to figure out. J_William_Ryan Dec 2016 #3
Democrats have to learn bdamomma Dec 2016 #4
It's important not to accept the wrong diagnosis. kentuck Dec 2016 #5
Who's "we?" gulliver Dec 2016 #7
Eliminate the FBI, Putin, Voter suppression, and flood cable news with surrogates 24/7 during world wide wally Dec 2016 #8

kimbutgar

(21,177 posts)
1. They better get a copy of the Koch bros playbook so they can fight back!
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 02:58 PM
Dec 2016

Surely some smart Democratic hacker can get a copy to distribute to the dems and the media who will report it.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
2. What is the matter with these buffoons..!!!
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 03:07 PM
Dec 2016

No wonder they can't win shit.
They have to THINK about what to do?

Just go out there and SCREAM the fucking truth..
YELL AND SCREAM and don't stop!!!



bdamomma

(63,917 posts)
4. Democrats have to learn
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 03:25 PM
Dec 2016

to fight dirty, like the filthy repigs. We are not unscrupulous like the repigs. they always think about themselves and $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

and fcuk everyone else.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
5. It's important not to accept the wrong diagnosis.
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 03:29 PM
Dec 2016

In my opinion, this election was not about any issues.

It was about hatred and division and name-calling and ridicule. And Donald Trump was able to appeal to just enough of these voters to give him a small majority in several key states. They hated Hillary and they hated Obama. That was all the information they needed to vote for Trump.

The Republican Party set the table and Donald Trump served up a big dish of hatred and fake promises and was able to take advantage of the many years of Republican bullshit.

gulliver

(13,186 posts)
7. Who's "we?"
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 03:44 PM
Dec 2016

"We" need to create a "we," not just try to conjure one up with saintly lip service about togetherness. I think rallies are our only hope so far. Not "Bernie" rallies or rallies for any one person. Rallies to get to know who we are. We need food, drink (including moderate amounts of booze), talk, and entertainment. The Internet is the "destroyer of worlds" when it comes to communication. We aren't going to be able to online this.

world wide wally

(21,751 posts)
8. Eliminate the FBI, Putin, Voter suppression, and flood cable news with surrogates 24/7 during
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 04:25 PM
Dec 2016

the final 2 months of the election.
In the meantime, constantly challenge his mental capacity and whether he is working on behalf of the American people or Putin.
By the time 2018 gets here, people should associate Republicans with Putin.That worked pretty well with Hillary and some mystery crime.

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