So... what will happen when Trump fails to deliver?

[LisiFFXV]

This is the big question in my mind. It's not a question of if he will fail to deliver. He will fail. He (and his supporters) entire premise is flawed. White uneducated people in poor socioeconomic situations, despite their belief to the contrary, are not in their condition due to "the other"... but rather due to overall structural economic changes. We are an information economy now; not an industrial economy. They are struggling because they lack the knowledge, skills, and abilities to compete in this type of economy - not because of someone with different color skin. (A situation, which, ironically, both Sanders and Clinton offered them an actual realistic, although not easy, solution for... in their plans to make job training, education, etc more possible for them.)

Trump promised to "bring their [manufacturing] jobs back". This is akin to a politician during the height of the industrial revolution promising to bring back agricultural jobs to farmers on a grand scale. The government simply lacks the ability to do this; only the market can do this... and it certainly will not. Therefore, Trump will fail to deliver in a profound way. In fact, his economic plans (basically handing out cash to corporations and removing all regulations), ironically, will only expedite the steamroll towards information centered jobs.

So, the question on my mind is, in four years, when the majority of his white voters find themselves to be in exactly the same condition (or worse), what will they do?

I figure that there are two likely possibilities. One, they see Trump as his cohorts for the charlatans that they are, and he becomes a one term president... or two, they assume Trump and his cohorts weren't fascist enough and continue to back them to an even greater extreme.

My bet is on option one (a small, but sizeable enough group, turn on him sufficiently to defeat him in the next election). I only see this failing should there be a war or another 9/11 type of event that conveniently leads to a "rally around the president" type of effect.

[TaterBake]

1. The Dumbass Trumpscum Won't Notice

Unless Rush tells them....

[Midnight Writer]

3. I totally agree. Trump will be their hero no matter, and grow into a legend in time.

[Dulcinea]

31. Well...

Trump makes his followers feel powerful. They're mainly poor or working-class white people with little education who have been left behind by globalization. They have no power, & Trump makes them feel like they matter. People don't want a smart candidate; they want one who makes them feel good, & the Orange Circus Peanut delivers every time.

That said, they'll probably turn on him when that ends, and it will. There will never be a wall. New factories may be built, but they'll be staffed by robots & IT people. The days of high school graduates making $20/hr to put things together is over, & will never come back. All those black & brown people who make them so uncomfortable aren't going anywhere. Just wait till no one shows up at Trump's rallies (and there will be more.) Then the fecal matter will hit the fan...when Trump's not loved any more. That's what this is about for him. Attention & adulation.

[BeyondGeography]

2. Thanks, Obama

Things were even more of a disaster than I thought.

[LisiFFXV]

5. For the love of...

The economy improved greatly under Obama. (i.e. unemployment, saving the auto industry, etc.)

That said, the government has only limited control over the economy. The economy has shifted strongly towards STEM. Obama clearly said that many jobs are gone and aren't coming back, and he has strongly encouraged people to obtain STEM skills during his entire 8 year tenure. It is not his (or any other government actors) fault that STEM happens to be where the free market wants to go.

That is the reality. People need to obtain marketable skills. Blaming other groups of people is not going to help you in the end.

[uponit7771]

15. ppp poll 67% of trump voters thought the ue rate increased under Obama

[arthritisR_US]

4. They'll blame it on Obama, nothing is ever their fault.nt

[LisiFFXV]

6. I really doubt it

Most Americans have the memory of a goldfish. How often do you hear Bush being brought up? Obama will be a distant memory in 12 months time. Bank on it.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

11. Suuuuuurrrre.

That's why a third of Louisiana republicans think Obama was responsible for the Katrina fiasco.

Their own fucking state.

[Bettie]

32. Hey, some of them also want to know

why he didn't do anything about 9/11! He wasn't even in the Oval office, that's dericition of duty...of course, he wasn't president yet or even in the Senate, but he SHOULDA DONE SOMETHING!

We're dealing with idiots.

[arthritisR_US]

45. Yep, they live in a world devoid of facts and memes

that repeat their lies.

[HughBeaumont]

35. Some people blame Carter for the Housing Bubble.

The joke is, I'm not kidding.

[tblue37]

7. They will blame Obama and the Dems--and voters will buy the obvious lie. nt

[LenaBaby61]

13. They will blame Obama and the Dems--and voters will buy the obvious lie.

I agree with you.

Not only that, but even if Dems DO gotv, there will have been even MORE damage done by a tRumputin DOJ as it relates to voter suppression/voter disenfranchisement, voter purging, voter cross-checking going on in what's left of Dem strongholds for the mid-terms to get them that vaunted 60 plus majority in the Senate and on 'roids in 2020 to KEEP the White House in their treasonous hands. We'll more than likely have tRump's boy toy putin "helping" his boy tRump in next round of elections in 2 years and especially in the 2020 GE, because that's the year we have our next round of redistricting, and if successful, the thuglicans will practically lock down this country for another 10 years and into the unforeseeable future. You know, hack off a 100,000 thousand Dem voters here, purge 200,00 Dem voters there, close 500 voting places or more over there. Don't investigate reports of voter suppression not if but WHEN reported by Dems in a tRumputin DOJ. Just throw that report into the trash or wink and nod and tell putin tang "We got this," then tell the Dems reporting voter irregularities/suppression etc., "WHAT voter suppression? We see no evidence of that." What to do after THAT? Also sickening is that tRumputin's going to have a shit load of vacancies to fill (Especially in Texas) because there is a judicial emergency to fill these vacancies. Pres. Obama was not allowed to appoint many court appointments due to Senate obstruction/stonewalling, and as tRumputin takes office in 2017 there are 87 current vacancies and 61 judicial nominations before the Senate to fill, and out of those nominations/vacancies only 20 have gotten to a certain level--NO confirmation in sight and it won't be because you know darn well that when it's time for the Senate to vote on their judgeships that have to be filled, tRumputin's choice of judges will take their places and will mostly be confirmed, and we know what KIND of judges will be appointed to fill those judicial emergency appointments.

Yes, thuglicans will of course overreach these next 4 years. However, we'll be under the auspices of a trumputin DOJ, FBI and CIA, andWHOSE gonna stop thuglicans in the Senate, Congress and Presidency? We Dems and progressives are REALLY up the creek with no paddle and no boat this time, out in the wilderness for God knows how long. Cyber-hacking and voter suppression on 'roids, little to NO 4th estate doing any truthful reporting on all things tRumputin, fake news and low-info/racist/uninformed voters who believe pro tRumputin/GOP and anti-Dem/progressive fake news--all of which has massively helped turn the tide in the GOP's, 1%'s and putin's favor.

Yes fight, fight, fight, but we've never been in such a horrible situation as the one that we're in where all 3 branches of government are under the management of crazies and if that weren't bad enough, we now "officially" have a foreign entity via propaganda and cyber-hacking have as much or more input into what goes on in this country as it's citizens.

[Cosmocat]

26. You get it!

This country spent the last quarter century relentlessly indulging conservative fuck wittery. This didn't just happen on November 8. It just was the final, orange haired cherry on the shit sunday to pretty much irrevocably fuck us all.

[yodermon]

8. There will be a massive distraction from all that.

Bush years were a dress rehearsal.

[NCDem777]

9. They'll cry conspiracy as usual

[Willie Pep]

18. That is the big issue.

When you have people who inhabit a world of conspiracy theories they can make up their own explanations for why Trump didn't deliver. They will blame the Democrats, George Soros, communists, aliens, bigfoot, it doesn't matter.

[Cosmocat]

25. Yep

nm

[world wide wally]

10. Ask a Cubs fan

These fanatics are die hards, but the question remains. "Does Trump even need a majority to win again"?

[uponit7771]

16. No, nor does he need an election... we're proper fucked until we get voter suppression reveresed

[HassleCat]

12. He might get away with it.

Reagan did. We'll find out if Trump has that Teflon coating.

[uponit7771]

17. Crap, I thought the UE rate was better at the end of RayGuns first term and that's why he got in goo

...good so it was worse?

fuck

[Spitfire of ATJ]

14. I know someone who threw breakables when they heard the wall wasn't going to happen.

[Arkansas Granny]

19. They won't care. They're so thankful that he saved them from "Crooked Hillary "

and those dirty liberals that they will forgive any of his lies and shortcomings and find a way to blame someone else.

[Cosmocat]

24. Yep

nm

[treestar]

20. I don't think they care about any of their so-called issues

They are just window dressing. All they care about is being jerks to the "lib-tards." Cheering for their side, no matter what.

[Cosmocat]

23. Yep

nm

[DetlefK]

21. Some won't care, some will blame the Ds, only a minority will be angry.

"It's the economy, stupid?"

No.

It never was.

It's simply hate.

[Cosmocat]

22. Yep

Nm

[Locrian]

27. a lot wont care...

https://www.thenation.com/article/this-political-theorist-predicted-the-rise-of-trumpism-his-name-was-hunter-s-thompson/.

Understood in those terms, the idea that Trumpism is “populist” seems misplaced. Populism is a belief in the right of ordinary people, rather than political insiders, to rule. Trumpism, by contrast, operates on the presumption that ordinary people aren’t going to get any chance to rule no matter what they do, so they might as well piss off the political insiders using the only tool left available to them: the vote.

While many commentators say Trump will have to bring back jobs or vibrancy to places like the Rust Belt if he wants to continue to have the support of people who voted for him, Thompson’s account suggests otherwise. Many if not most Trump supporters long ago gave up on the idea that any politician, even someone like Trump, can change the direction the wind is blowing. Even if he fails to bring back the jobs, Trump can maintain loyalty in another way: As long as he continues to offend and irritate elites, and as long as he refuses to play by certain rules of decorum—heaven forfend, the president-elect says ill-conceived things on Twitter!—Trump will still command loyalty. It’s the ethic, not the policy, that matters most.

[TexasProgresive]

28. There will be a diversion ala Reichstag fire, WTC or something else.

Worked for Hitler and baby bUSH will work for the royal 'Rump.

USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!

[C_U_L8R]

29. That's what scapegoats are for

Wanna guess who they are?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. "So... what will happen when Trump fails to deliver?"

Start a war to distract people where the children of the Deplorables who voted for him will form the bulk of the recruits.

[cheyanne]

44. Yes! Manufacture more fear of enemies. Scared people

want a strong leader to protect them. He can manufacture internal scares by race baiting, then crack down on civil rights.

Or he can go international and provoke conflicts abroad.

Typical play book tactic for demogogues to extend their power. This is what Putin is doing in Russia.

[enid602]

33. SS and Medicare

I'm afraid that Donald WILL succeed. . . in bringing about the Republicans' long held dream of slashing SS and phasing out Medicare. What if populist Donald was just a ruse, a con, if you will. What if these angry whites are merely grads of Trump U, Class of '16?

[Vinca]

34. What will happen is what always happens. Dems will be elected to clean up the mess.

[Paladin]

36. Trump's inevitable failures can resurect the Democratic Party.

If the Democratic Party is smart enough and united enough to take advantage of the Trump disaster. Whether or not that is possible is an open question, at this point.

[kentuck]

37. He'll just say that he "drained the swamp"...

and his supporters will applaud loudly.

(sorry for the cynicism)

[Coventina]

39. My husband predicts he will get impeached, and will still win reelection.

Because he will be perceived as a victim of the "evil system."

[Emilybemily]

40. That's my question too

[JustAnotherGen]

41. I'm rooting for Trump to fail

P.S> And I'm glad to serve on any jury where a Russian posing as an American Conservative gets a hide. No worries.

[Yavin4]

42. They'll do what they always do: Blame Women, Blacks, and Latinos

Every economic and social ill that befalls on them is due to people of other races. Go back and read right wing articles in the early days of the financial crisis. They were blaming the Community Reinvestment Act for the down fall of the housing market.

[CanonRay]

43. Option Three

They'll blame Democrats with the help of Faux news, the Trump administration, and compliant media, and Trump will win re-election with 90% of the vote in a completely rigged and staged election. Wave bye-bye to Democracy.

[bighart]

46. If he makes life difficult for the "others"

at home and abroad he will continue to be praised and adored

[lunatica]

47. They'll blame whoever Trump wants them to blame

He'll whip out his tweeters to tell them who's fault it is. 'Cause you know he'll never be to blame for anything but the good stuff. And he'll turn on the GOP as fast as he's turn against the Democrats.

He has minions now and they'll do his bidding. Just look at how much hate crimes have risen in the last few months.