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(85,998 posts)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 12:33 PM Jun 2012

So, Romney Viciously Bullied His Sons, Too

US election 2012: Mitt Romney 'pushed sons' faces into plates of butter'



Mitt Romney's sons have described their father's taste for aggressive horseplay, explaining how he enjoyed pushing their heads into plates of butter and wrestling them as children.

The Republican presidential candidate dispatched his five adult sons onto a late night television show where they jokingly told stories of their father's pranks in an effort to humanise the former businessman who critics accuse of being boring.

But the light-hearted anecdotes carried an uncomfortable echo of earlier allegations that Mr Romney had been a bully while at prep school and has a long history of uncaring behaviour.

Matt Romney, the former Massachusetts governor's second son, told how his father would present his children with a stick of butter, telling them "it's so rotten you have to smell it". When they leaned down he would gleefully shove their faces into the plate.

Mr Romney apparently repeated the trick recently with one of his grandsons, pushing the shocked child's head into a platter of whipped cream.


read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/mitt-romney/9347495/US-election-2012-Mitt-Romney-pushed-sons-faces-into-plates-of-butter.html



. . . and this is probably only the bullying they're willing to admit to on national television. What a strange time to share such a personal and disturbing revelation . . . unless you consider what the subconscious mind does with repressed memories.
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So, Romney Viciously Bullied His Sons, Too (Original Post) bigtree Jun 2012 OP
Between the bullying and the lying, I can't stand Mitt. sinkingfeeling Jun 2012 #1
I agree...and what's funny is that I didn't have that feeling toward McCain. Sure, Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2012 #36
I have to agree with that statement. For McCain I didn't like his politics LynneSin Jun 2012 #44
I have to agree Aerows Jun 2012 #61
+1 freshwest Jun 2012 #113
Yes! I totally agree to all of that. New sticker: "There's Something About Romney" n/t progressivebydesign Jun 2012 #100
I feeel that way about McCain, also. I don't agree with his politics, but I respect him Arkansas Granny Jun 2012 #103
agree kardonb Jun 2012 #111
McCain has known suffering magical thyme Jun 2012 #50
Yep Aerows Jun 2012 #63
look up the term "wet start" and McCain icarusxat Jun 2012 #121
I did Aerows Jun 2012 #122
Bullshit... Cooley Hurd Jun 2012 #128
Good analogy, and I believe that is exactly what is going on here. freshwest Jun 2012 #114
I remember McCain looking at the backside of Palin while twisting his wedding ring. He was creepy. fasttense Jun 2012 #137
I have to give him credit for one thing rufus dog Jun 2012 #77
I agree...but I do think he can get ruffled. I think back to some of those debates when someone Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2012 #85
PS I hoping the Obama people have noticed this and get him to "act out" during the debates. It is Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2012 #86
Most bullies never really change, imo. polly7 Jun 2012 #2
No, I don't believe bulllies xxqqqzme Jun 2012 #65
at some point waddirum Jun 2012 #3
In a weird sort of way, who better to lead the Land of Abu Ghraib coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #8
I hear you waddirum Jun 2012 #19
Who in their right mind wastes butter on stupid pranks? LiberalFighter Jun 2012 #4
those who can afford to drop a coupe of hundred thou training a horse librechik Jun 2012 #7
I bet it was butter too hfojvt Jun 2012 #13
Not even this one would pass Muster... pinboy3niner Jun 2012 #31
I had some butter in college once hfojvt Jun 2012 #40
LOL. I just had a flashback of what a friend of mine used to do in the grocery. She would Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2012 #37
Proper use of butter was covered in Last Tango in Paris... rfranklin Jun 2012 #20
Ugh, smearing an animal product on someone's face gregoire Jun 2012 #5
No but tackling your child and forcibly restraining them for no reason should be Taverner Jun 2012 #27
Arrest this fool ~ he is a danger to society K and R goclark Jun 2012 #32
It's an unforgettable experience even if there is an alleged 'reason.' And Ann loves it! freshwest Jun 2012 #115
See! My dad's not boring, he's a psychopath. EOTE Jun 2012 #6
What a disgusting excuse for a human being LibertyLover Jun 2012 #9
Reminds me Ednahilda Jun 2012 #57
I wonder how many of the boys are now bullies - they learned at their father's knee :( n/t patricia92243 Jun 2012 #10
WTF? ecstatic Jun 2012 #11
weird...perfect description. I can almost see this being funny like with a birthday cake or Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2012 #42
republicans have been providing raw comedy material for years now. mwb970 Jun 2012 #131
He and Dubya are two peas in a pod. Arugula Latte Jun 2012 #12
Just what I was thinking! (nt) Tumbulu Jun 2012 #126
That bottom picture in your post..........I've never seen such vacant eyes before - and 4 sets kestrel91316 Jun 2012 #14
They look like androids! tXr Jun 2012 #102
Data definitely had more life and intelligence in his eyes. kestrel91316 Jun 2012 #112
yeah, they should have told a better story or two hfojvt Jun 2012 #15
he's just a merry prankster bigtree Jun 2012 #16
well his sons apparent;y thought it was funny hfojvt Jun 2012 #35
the sons do appear to be outwardly desensitized to it all bigtree Jun 2012 #43
They don't wanna be the next one in the box on the car. lindysalsagal Jun 2012 #143
I DOUBT the sons thought it was funny when they were little kids wordpix Jun 2012 #80
Much of what is now recognized as child abuse used to be considered normal tblue37 Jun 2012 #90
My mother would call it a "mean streak". arikara Jun 2012 #28
maybe hfojvt Jun 2012 #52
The difference is, you were children pranking other children and learning that pranks can be very beac Jun 2012 #104
My mother is a merry prankster Aerows Jun 2012 #73
The guy is one strange dude...no question. Old and In the Way Jun 2012 #17
Spam deleted by gkhouston (MIR Team) bluedot95 Jun 2012 #18
In his mind this is supposed to justify the brutal hair cutting incident. Lint Head Jun 2012 #21
He's like an evil version of Spock KurtNYC Jun 2012 #22
I don't know about that. Guy Whitey Corngood Jun 2012 #151
My 9-yr old daughter liked the bumper sticker I put on my car with the paw print - TBF Jun 2012 #23
Love that bumper sticker. beac Jun 2012 #56
"He does like pranks but he doesn't like to get pranked. We've learned that the hard way," Josh said Bozita Jun 2012 #24
exactly right, Bozita bigtree Jun 2012 #26
Classic Bully Doc_Technical Jun 2012 #33
+1! THIS is the delinator here....he can't take it in... uponit7771 Jun 2012 #45
One thing about Bullies - they do NOT like being on the other end LynneSin Jun 2012 #47
Spot on. geardaddy Jun 2012 #49
His ha-ha 'pranks' often have the sadistic earmarks of a bully pinboy3niner Jun 2012 #66
In other words, a complete lack of a sense of humor when he's the butt of the joke. bullwinkle428 Jun 2012 #79
If his pranks were really meant in good humor, he would accept being tblue37 Jun 2012 #92
Exactly Aerows Jun 2012 #97
That pretty much sums it up. Arkansas Granny Jun 2012 #105
very telling NoMoreWarNow Jun 2012 #133
"they jokingly told stories of their father's pranks in an effort to humanise the former businessman aint_no_life_nowhere Jun 2012 #25
you do get a sense of that in those statements bigtree Jun 2012 #30
Here's the episode. I couldn't find a short clip of the bullying stuff. pnwmom Jun 2012 #29
Starts shortly at 20:00 n/t A Simple Game Jun 2012 #51
Short clip... livvy Jun 2012 #139
Whoa! That is really sick. MsPithy Jun 2012 #34
What a prince of a guy. No wonder his negatives catbyte Jun 2012 #38
that bottom pic. Whisp Jun 2012 #39
Ee-yoo. He's totally twisted. nt valerief Jun 2012 #41
A friend of my grandfather's use to do that to me when I was a little kid LynneSin Jun 2012 #46
Progess is when rich and powerful people can also be gentle kind souls. DaveJ Jun 2012 #48
Did you see the Letterman monologue on this earlier this week? geardaddy Jun 2012 #53
Dave really doesn't like Romney. GoCubsGo Jun 2012 #125
He hates him. geardaddy Jun 2012 #136
That's so cute. neeksgeek Jun 2012 #54
Lying, amoral, anal retentive sulphurdunn Jun 2012 #55
Sure does. SammyWinstonJack Jun 2012 #74
Bush was able to fake being normal, though eridani Jun 2012 #129
Yes, sulphurdunn Jun 2012 #135
he's a really terrible person. barbtries Jun 2012 #58
They all look so friggin' creepy. nt RedCappedBandit Jun 2012 #59
yes they do Skittles Jun 2012 #70
Once a bully, always a bully. Zoeisright Jun 2012 #60
Abused people felix_numinous Jun 2012 #62
romney is a bully mehrrh Jun 2012 #64
bigtree Diclotican Jun 2012 #67
He dishes it out but can't take it. Typical bully mentality. Solly Mack Jun 2012 #68
IT TOOK YEARS maggieinthesouth Jun 2012 #152
I'm so sorry to hear that. Solly Mack Jun 2012 #153
This is the Romney family equivalent of Stockholm Syndrome nt bupkus Jun 2012 #69
That's exactly what I was thinking. sybylla Jun 2012 #78
Excellent post laundry_queen Jun 2012 #119
Imagine if he shoved some world leader's face into a plate of butter? NYC Liberal Jun 2012 #71
Can anyone imagine what Youn Mitt's dada did to him? benld74 Jun 2012 #72
He's gone from no personality to sadist in just a few weeks proud2BlibKansan Jun 2012 #75
For the sake of the country Aerows Jun 2012 #76
if my father pushed my daughter's face in whipped cream when she was little wordpix Jun 2012 #81
It sounds like something Moe would do to Larry and Curly aint_no_life_nowhere Jun 2012 #82
(Future Mormon God) Romney is one sick puppy. McCamy Taylor Jun 2012 #83
The list Botany Jun 2012 #84
Blind man into a wall? Hadn't heard that one. You forgot about how he told Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2012 #88
Mitt is one twisted bit of nasty. Botany Jun 2012 #95
Oh my goodness, thanks for quoting me. ;) Your list is amazing... progressivebydesign Jun 2012 #101
re: So, Romney Viciously Bullied His Sons, Too clang1 Jun 2012 #87
He has a cruel evil "sense of humor" there is Raine Jun 2012 #89
kicked to read later when I have time. lunatica Jun 2012 #91
The Daily Show, Moment of Zen Life Long Dem Jun 2012 #93
Wrestling with his sons, creepy meter has titled to extreme. sarcasmo Jun 2012 #94
Can you imagine a Romney cabinet meeting? Bake Jun 2012 #96
They all look like a bunch of assholes bloomington-lib Jun 2012 #98
He was one silver spoon away from being a serial killer. progressivebydesign Jun 2012 #99
re: I did NOT have that feeling about Bush or McCain clang1 Jun 2012 #106
I agree with you completely about practical jokes lunatica Jun 2012 #134
"He does like pranks elleng Jun 2012 #107
re: "He does like pranks clang1 Jun 2012 #110
We need to work like hell to make sure this jerk "gets pranked" big time in November. (n/t) klook Jun 2012 #117
WORKING on it! elleng Jun 2012 #123
"it's so rotten you have to smell it" They_Live Jun 2012 #108
Sick prick. aquart Jun 2012 #109
Ultimately he instituted a policy of self-bullying... klook Jun 2012 #116
He is obviously a deranged Mormon, however deaniac21 Jun 2012 #118
Et tu, Brute'? Zalatix Jun 2012 #120
Then I guess if he gets a pie in the face EC Jun 2012 #124
the photo is priceless magical thyme Jun 2012 #127
Romney seems more like a sociopath with each passing day. mwb970 Jun 2012 #130
he's right out of the George Bush mold-- a true sociopath. NoMoreWarNow Jun 2012 #132
So now he wants to bully the American people hamsterjill Jun 2012 #138
Remember this story sandyshoes17 Jun 2012 #140
Consistently weird, and mean. Worse than GWB Jr. TwilightGardener Jun 2012 #141
A Song For Mittsy! MADem Jun 2012 #142
pushing their heads into plates of butter seabeyond Jun 2012 #144
Those polygamous ex-Mormons don't like their sons-- Generic Other Jun 2012 #145
The more we learn about Rmoney the more he comes off as a complete psycho. Initech Jun 2012 #146
Sounds like he might have been abusive. TNLib Jun 2012 #147
The word that comes to mind here is humiliation. Rmoney humiliated LuckyLib Jun 2012 #148
"I Can't Believe That's Not Romney!" stlsaxman Jun 2012 #149
What a CREEP! polichick Jun 2012 #150
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
36. I agree...and what's funny is that I didn't have that feeling toward McCain. Sure,
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 02:01 PM
Jun 2012

I know he had a temper, not a good trait for a Prez. But, there was something rather real and fairly normal
about him. He had feelings. Didn't agree with his policies, but didn't worry about his mental state. Guess what I am saying
is that McCain may have had personality issues, but Romney makes him look perfect. Romney is scary

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
44. I have to agree with that statement. For McCain I didn't like his politics
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 02:21 PM
Jun 2012

But I had respect for him as a person and as a man who dedicated his life to serving our country in time of war.

Mitt I just don't like him. I think there is something really creepy about him.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
61. I have to agree
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 03:05 PM
Jun 2012

McCain has character, even if I don't particularly agree with him 99% of the time. He stood up to the woman making racist remarks about Obama, and has stood up for women and homosexuals in the military.

Romney is a cardboard cutout with absolutely no character whatsoever that isn't a hollow façade.

Arkansas Granny

(31,519 posts)
103. I feeel that way about McCain, also. I don't agree with his politics, but I respect him
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 07:29 PM
Jun 2012

as a person and for his service to our country. I always felt that he was genuine, even when he was wrong. Romney just gives me the creeps. There is nothing sincere about him.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
63. Yep
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 03:07 PM
Jun 2012

I certainly don't idolize John McCain, but he's at least a feeling human being. Romney scares the hell out of me because he is so detached from humanity.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
122. I did
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 11:10 PM
Jun 2012

I still think John McCain is a decent human being. He's one of the few remaining among Republicans, and he's far from perfect. Romney couldn't carry his briefcase.

 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
128. Bullshit...
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 06:38 AM
Jun 2012

His aircraft's tail was hanging off the port side of the Forrestal away from any other aircraft. Lots to criticize McGramps about, but the USS Forrestal Tragedy isn't one of them.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
137. I remember McCain looking at the backside of Palin while twisting his wedding ring. He was creepy.
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 11:43 AM
Jun 2012

and so is Mitt. Mitt's creepiness has nothing to do with a very old man lusting after a girl but more to do with a heartless cruelty that thinks it's funny to take advantage of those who are weaker than him. Kind of like the bushes. Too much money seems to create these creepy little monsters.

Mitt reminds me of my brother-in-law. A RepubliCON who made millions out of being a doctor and looks down his nose at anyone who hasn't made millions. He bullies his kids and screams at his wife whenever she says something he doesn't agree with. I think these people allow their demons out because they think they are above everyone else. In America money equals virtue. Their money makes them feel virtuous so they don't have to be virtuous.

 

rufus dog

(8,419 posts)
77. I have to give him credit for one thing
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 04:04 PM
Jun 2012

He is an incredibly good liar. Must have worked well for him at Bain. He is just so consistent in facial expression and tone as he lies, no tell tell signs.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
85. I agree...but I do think he can get ruffled. I think back to some of those debates when someone
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 05:52 PM
Jun 2012

called him on his bullshit. He would get very ultra-defensive. I have said this a million times - he's
a classic anal retentive personality. I know some who is and Romney is exactly like him. When
challenged, his whole body gets stiff, he speech accelerates and sounds clipped - like a little boy
falsely accused of something.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
86. PS I hoping the Obama people have noticed this and get him to "act out" during the debates. It is
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 05:53 PM
Jun 2012

a very unbecoming trait to see.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
2. Most bullies never really change, imo.
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 12:37 PM
Jun 2012

They honestly enjoy it and can't understand why others don't find it funny. I think we all know someone like that ... living with one is hell. I feel for those sons and grandchildren.

xxqqqzme

(14,887 posts)
65. No, I don't believe bulllies
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 03:08 PM
Jun 2012

change either. They only change their tactics. They learn that some bully behavior is frowned on but some is accepted as 'funny'. Their acts become more nuanced and sophisticated, if you will. But the objective is always humiliation and ridicule no matter the age.

The son allowing his father to treat his son the same way speaks volumes. I'm sure they all got a 'good' laugh out of it

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
8. In a weird sort of way, who better to lead the Land of Abu Ghraib
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 12:44 PM
Jun 2012

and Bagram?

(Just in case it's needed to head off any alerts. Although I don't think my tone is sarcastic so much as it is acerbic.)

waddirum

(979 posts)
19. I hear you
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 01:11 PM
Jun 2012

That mean son-of-a-bitch shoved his own grandkids face into the whipped-cream. What a nasty fucking asshole.

I shudder to think of him as President of the U.S.

Imagine the itches he would scratch with all of that power.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
31. Not even this one would pass Muster...
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 01:54 PM
Jun 2012




In the days of this commercial, I was checking out of a market when the checker couldn't find a price on my package of Parkay, so he held it over his head and announced, "Price check!" on the store's PA.

"Butter!" a quick-witted checker two lines over shot back on the PA, and the whole store cracked up.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
40. I had some butter in college once
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 02:08 PM
Jun 2012

and my god, but that was good. I decided I was gonna buy butter when I got on my own.

Then I went into the store and saw the price of butter next to the price of margarine, and I decided that margarine was good enough.

At a recent reception though, I put butter on one roll and margarine on the other and could not taste the difference. Either really good margarine or really bad butter.

That's a great story though. Too bad the other checker was not Mitt Romney. Too bad for Mitt, anyway.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
37. LOL. I just had a flashback of what a friend of mine used to do in the grocery. She would
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 02:04 PM
Jun 2012

take 4 sticks of butter out of the butter box/container and swap them with 4 sticks of margarine, paying the margarine prices.

I know, it's stealing, but back then, I thought it was hysterically funny

EOTE

(13,409 posts)
6. See! My dad's not boring, he's a psychopath.
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 12:42 PM
Jun 2012

You idiots of the lamestream media couldn't have things more wrong.

LibertyLover

(4,788 posts)
9. What a disgusting excuse for a human being
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 12:45 PM
Jun 2012

Rmoney is. I wonder if he pushed Ann's face into the wedding cake at their reception? I've always hated that particular "custom", but it wouldn't surprise me in the least to find out that he gleefully upheld that tradition. I hope her dressage horse walks on his foot.

Ednahilda

(195 posts)
57. Reminds me
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 03:03 PM
Jun 2012

of my husband's cousin's wedding. The young fellow married a lovely Russian woman, but apparently the cake ritual was unknown to her. She carefully fed the groom a tiny piece of cake, being careful not to make a mess, then he shoved a huge piece of cake in her face. She was absolutely stunned and then broke into tears. A kindly older woman guest took the bride to the ladies' room to clean up. Frankly, the cousin had always been considerate and well-behaved; can't understand what made him do that. I think they're still married . . .

ecstatic

(32,712 posts)
11. WTF?
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 12:45 PM
Jun 2012

Dogs on the roof? Children plunged into butter? He is so weird! And not in a good way!

SNL is going to have a field day this fall. They don't even have to make anything up to get the laughs.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
42. weird...perfect description. I can almost see this being funny like with a birthday cake or
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 02:10 PM
Jun 2012

something. Like it's a birthday, it's your cake, there's frosting, people are being silly. But butter? Yikes, butter
is sacred ! My mother wouldn't let us roll our corn on the cob over butter because it would
mess it up. haha. I always said when I was an adult I would just roll the hell out of corn
on the butter stick. By, never have.

mwb970

(11,360 posts)
131. republicans have been providing raw comedy material for years now.
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 07:12 AM
Jun 2012

Remember Tina Fey's SNL impression of Palin? She got huge laughs by mimicking Palin precisely and saying exactly what Palin said, word for word.

You can't make this stuff up.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
14. That bottom picture in your post..........I've never seen such vacant eyes before - and 4 sets
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 12:52 PM
Jun 2012

of them.......

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
15. yeah, they should have told a better story or two
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 12:59 PM
Jun 2012

Although I would not call this vicious bullying, just a rather odd sense of humor. I have, myself, tried some jokes that fell sorta flat, or worse.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
16. he's just a merry prankster
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 01:04 PM
Jun 2012

. . . and a vicious, uncaring asshole; even to his sons, apparently.

This is psychotic behavior which is reinforced by several key anecdotes about his 'prankster' past. If I saw someone do that to a child, I'd forbid them to come near them again. I guess we have a different sense of what defines 'vicious.' Funny that Romney's particular sense of humor always seems to involve some physical or personal assault.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
35. well his sons apparent;y thought it was funny
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 02:00 PM
Jun 2012

or they would not have told it.

I, myself, recently told a story about my own dad. Only in my story, I had a minor food fight and threw a piece of pasta that stuck to my dad's forehead. My baby sister and I both think that story is hilarious. Mom and dad, on the other hand, are not as amused, not that dad was not a good sport about it.

I could tell other stories though. There was a time when my mom was in the basement watching her soap opera and my brother and sister were upstairs jumping and tearing around (they were maybe 5 and 6 or 6 and 7 to my two years older than my little sister. After yelling some threats about being quiet, mom comes stomping up the stairs and proceeds to thrash brother and sister.

Another time we went to a Christmas eve serice of all things, and we were all whining and complaining and fighting on the way back, and back home my dad grabs my older sister's arm, flips her into the air and slams her to the floor and then yells at us for five minutes about what whiny brats we are. I remember that violence made me a little physically ill.

Is that psyhotic? Is it normal? Is it vicious? It's meaner than Romney's little prank.

I don't know about the normal part. I don't share those types of stories with lots of people, and I may be able to count on some horrified responses here. ("My parents would never ... Your parents are disgusting and that explains a lot ...&quot I have not had therapy, nor do I desire it. I think my parents are some of the best and most caring people on the planet, although those two incidents were not their finest hours. At my parents' 50th anniversary, my little sister wrote a song parody of the 12 days of Christmas that we all sang for my them.

Erma Bombeck once wrote "I always appreciate a mother who can reach for her child and not have it flinch." So I think some of that is normal. I have a different standard for vicious. Have you, for example, read how Fred Phelps treated his children? Now THAT was vicious, but apparently only one or two of his children accuse him of abuse. The rest might say he is one of the best and most caring people on the planet.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
43. the sons do appear to be outwardly desensitized to it all
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 02:11 PM
Jun 2012

. . . I would suggest, dear hfojvt, that children should not be made to endure such violence. It is all too common, yes.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
80. I DOUBT the sons thought it was funny when they were little kids
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 04:24 PM
Jun 2012

and your father could have broken your sister's arm or back flipping her over like that and slamming her to the floor. Would you have such funny recollections of violence then?

I recall when my little friend was waiting for me and put a saddle we had around on our dog. He snapped at her but didn't bite. Funny recollection. I also remember when another friend was growling at the dog, face to face, and he suddenly snapped at her and grabbed her just under one eye. I remember the blood, driving to the hospital, my friend ending up with a bad scar in the middle of her face, and giving the dog away to someone in another state. Not funny at all.

tblue37

(65,408 posts)
90. Much of what is now recognized as child abuse used to be considered normal
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 06:10 PM
Jun 2012

discipline, but violence of the sort you describe is nevertheless inappropriate. If either adult had offered such violence to another adult, he or she would have been arrested for assault and battery.

On the other hand, an occasional quick swat or two on the bottom of a child is not child abuse, though many people would consider it to be abusive. And, of course, you would get in legal trouble for swatting an adult's bottom like that, so my earlier comparison is not ironclad, either.

But most children do not need to be hit at all, ever, for any reason. I had a home daycare for 18 years, and of the 37 children I raised, I never once raised my hand to 35 of them. Ever. (I never yelled at any of them for any reason. It never was necessary.)

On the other hand, on little boy (a very large for his age 7-year-old) went wild when I tried to sit him on the couch for a time-out one day. He started swinging his fists and kicking, and he connected on of those kicks very painfully with my shin. I flipped him over my lap and gave him 2 sharp swats on the butt—to get his attention more than anything else, really—and then he calmed down and took his time out. I believe his previously administered asthma medicine (we used a vaporizer, so he got the full dosage) had made him just a bit "high" and thus not fully in control of himself. The butt-swats captured his attention sufficiently for him to regain his self-control.

The only other child I have ever swatted was my own son. As a much loved first-born child, he was often jealous of the attention I paid to his younger sister and to the daycare kids, and occasionally, between the ages of 6 and 7, he would behave in a threatening way to a smaller child. He never actually assaulted another child, but he would sometimes threaten one, acting as though he would really hit him or her. On the rare occasions when he did that, I would give him two or three quick swats on the bottom, and then I would patiently explain, "When you live by the law of civilization, you do not attack or threaten to attack others, especially when they are smaller than you. But when you live by the law of the jungle, the big, mean creatures are always attacking the small, weak creatures. Just keep in mind that there will always be someone bigger and meaner than you, so it is way better to live by the law of civilization, not by the law of the jungle."

By the time he was 7 years old, he had reached a full understanding of what I was talking about, and he never threatened another child--and I never swatted him again, since his spankings were only for threatening violence to a smaller, weaker child.

One thing about his threats that I consider common to those who behave in a bullying way: they were always directed at someone smaller and weaker. For example, in cases of domestic abuse like that between Chris Brown and Rhianna (is that her name--I might have spelled it wrong), some people will claim that the man could not control his temper because the woman provoked him outrageously. But have you ever noticed that when such men are outrageously provoked by someone bigger and stronger, they never have any trouble at all controlling their temper? Such men only lose control when their victim is too small or weak to present any real reciprocal threat.

By the time he was 7 years old my son learned not to bully others. He is almost 33 now, and a truly fine young man. I have no a temper at all (it's weird, but I don't get angry), so when I swatted the 2 kids that I did swat, I did so in a very controlled and careful way, and only for very specific reasons.

Unfortunately, though, too many adults resort to physical discipline under the influence of their own temper, and therefore they are not really disciplining a child, but merely beating up on him or her as a way of acting out their own rage. A child's little body is a fragile thing. It should never be slammed to the floor in the way you described--no matter how naughty or annoying the child was being!

As it happens, though, much of what we consider outrageous physical abuse of children and animals (and, for that matter, of wives) used to be standard, acceptable behavior. Most schools no longer allow teachers to paddle children, and most parents know at least that they mustn't abuse their kids in public if they don't want to get into trouble. Fortunately, many parents have learned not to abuse at all. Unfortunately, all too many still abuse, but do so only when they figure they won't get caught.

arikara

(5,562 posts)
28. My mother would call it a "mean streak".
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 01:51 PM
Jun 2012

Some jokes are funny, some are kind of odd and some are just plain mean.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
52. maybe
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 02:41 PM
Jun 2012

but with just a little butter on your face, nobody is really hurt very badly, although I would not consider it funny. One summer vacation my 18 year old cousin's fiancee was dunking everybody in the lake, including my siblings. I was 16 and skinny as a clothesline, but he never tried to dunk me. I think he was warned that I would NOT be a "good sport" about such a prank. Which was probably a fair assessment, but I would not play that kind of "prank" either.

But I have played others. One year, my little brother was maybe 6 and was charging down a picnic table bench like a rhino. So the three of us, my older sister, myself and my brother hatched this plan to prank my little sister. We would get her to sit on the picnic bench and brother would charge down it and surprise her. Well, it worked perfectly, except that when my brother slammed his head into her she started bawling. It was meant to be funny, it was meant to surprise her. Boy did I feel like a jerk though. As I apologized to her again last year, none of us, myself included, ever thought "this is gonna hurt". Little sister was just supposed to be startled, not hurt.

Another time I had a glass with, I thought, three or four drops of milk in it, so I flicked it at my brother (I am not sure how that was supposed to be funny anyway) but instead of a few drops hitting him a small stream hit him right in the eye. We still laugh about that today, but thing we laugh about is not how funny it was, but how stupid I was to pull such an unfunny prank. So he razzes me about it.

beac

(9,992 posts)
104. The difference is, you were children pranking other children and learning that pranks can be very
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 07:37 PM
Jun 2012

unfunny indeed.

Rmoney is an adult who has "pranked" both his children and his grandchildren.

By definition, shoving someone's face into anything is an act of aggression and all about humiliation. The fact that Rmoney thinks it's funny to behave so toward his offspring tells me everything I need to know about his parenting.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
73. My mother is a merry prankster
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 03:22 PM
Jun 2012

All of her practical jokes involve somebody getting doused with water, or something equally harmless, and never to the point where they are in a setting that could cause great embarrassment.

I've been known to pull some, too, like putting tadpoles in the flower vase that was on the dinner table, then laughing with my sister as we watched them swim around. That's a harmless prank.

Shoving a child's face into butter or whipped cream could cause them to choke. It's not funny.

Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
17. The guy is one strange dude...no question.
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 01:06 PM
Jun 2012

Do we really need another President with father issues and social adjustment problems?

Lint Head

(15,064 posts)
21. In his mind this is supposed to justify the brutal hair cutting incident.
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 01:37 PM
Jun 2012

A leopard never changes it's spots.

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,501 posts)
151. I don't know about that.
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 08:16 AM
Jun 2012

It's more like an evil Spock whose intellect and honesty have been removed somehow.

TBF

(32,067 posts)
23. My 9-yr old daughter liked the bumper sticker I put on my car with the paw print -
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 01:44 PM
Jun 2012

so I explained it is election time and that there is a bad man running against President Obama. I told her about the Seamus incident and her jaw dropped "that's really mean" was her response. The bumper sticker is in my sigline and made by a group called "Dogs against Romney".

beac

(9,992 posts)
56. Love that bumper sticker.
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 03:02 PM
Jun 2012

Off to buy one now!

Link: http://www.cafepress.com/dogsagainstromney

Tshirts and other stuff link: http://dogsagainstromney.spreadshirt.com/ (If I wore baseball hats, I'd be sorely tempted by the Mitt Bites one. )

Bozita

(26,955 posts)
24. "He does like pranks but he doesn't like to get pranked. We've learned that the hard way," Josh said
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 01:45 PM
Jun 2012

Sounds like a bully to me!

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
47. One thing about Bullies - they do NOT like being on the other end
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 02:27 PM
Jun 2012

They like the feel of power they have over belittling others.

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
79. In other words, a complete lack of a sense of humor when he's the butt of the joke.
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 04:21 PM
Jun 2012

As if there needs to be more proof that his "pranks" aren't based the least bit in humor, but in control and sadism.

tblue37

(65,408 posts)
92. If his pranks were really meant in good humor, he would accept being
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 06:14 PM
Jun 2012

pranked in good humor in return. The fact that he doesn't want others to do to him what he does to them is evidence that he considers such "pranks" to be inappropriate and abusive.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
97. Exactly
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 06:52 PM
Jun 2012

My mother is the world's worst practical joker, but she can take a joke, too. It's practically an Olympic sport around the holidays when my sister is here, and none of us hurt each other - it's just creative ways to make everyone laugh their butts off.

I'm even thinking of accumulating balloons to fill up my sister's car when she gets here. That's a joke. Her putting toothpaste in the end of my slippers was a joke, too, on Christmas morning, because she gave me a new pair (mine WERE ratty, in all honesty).

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
25. "they jokingly told stories of their father's pranks in an effort to humanise the former businessman
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 01:46 PM
Jun 2012

I see they inherited their father's sense of humor, if you can call it that.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
30. you do get a sense of that in those statements
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 01:53 PM
Jun 2012

. . . along with the rationale attributed to the reasoning behind recounting such bizarre behavior.

MsPithy

(809 posts)
34. Whoa! That is really sick.
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 01:58 PM
Jun 2012

No, really. He is totally unconcerned for the feelings of others, even his own children and grandchildren?

Psychopath or Sociopath?

catbyte

(34,403 posts)
38. What a prince of a guy. No wonder his negatives
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 02:06 PM
Jun 2012

keep going up and up and up and up.

What a creep. The more I hear of his voice and that creepy laugh of his, the more it makes my skin crawl. I know I've used the word creep a lot, but it just fits. He really does creep me out with that shark-like stare of his while he's laughing his mirthless, joyless ha-ha-heh laugh of his. He has dead eyes, just like the pictures of sociopaths--you know, those dead, reptilian eyes.




Diane
Anishinaabe in MI & mom to Taz & Nigel, members of Dogs Against Romney, Cat Division
"Dogs Aren’t Luggage--HISS!”

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
39. that bottom pic.
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 02:08 PM
Jun 2012

those creepy eyes, woah. shell shocked eyes.

fear and a bit if shame. Wonder who they were talking to, sitting with?

(I've been watch Lie to Me, a series on Netflix, awesome show)

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
46. A friend of my grandfather's use to do that to me when I was a little kid
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 02:25 PM
Jun 2012

He would tell me the 'ice cream' (or some product) smelled 'Funny' and I'd sniff it then he would shove that item into my face and up my nose.

He thought he was being 'cute' but honestly after the 2nd time he did it I just avoided him like the plague. I remember the 2nd time getting too much of it up my nose that I started choking just a bit. Not life threatening but not fun either.

I avoid him but I also know after the coughing fit my pap would tell his friend to 'not do that' because pap knew I didn't like it.

DaveJ

(5,023 posts)
48. Progess is when rich and powerful people can also be gentle kind souls.
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 02:28 PM
Jun 2012

As we can see, it's rare, most are assholes, but I hope we continue to progress in the right direction.

geardaddy

(24,931 posts)
53. Did you see the Letterman monologue on this earlier this week?
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 02:42 PM
Jun 2012

He had a son recount this story, then another "son," "Merb" Romney, talk about how Mittens through a gardner down the stairs.

GoCubsGo

(32,086 posts)
125. Dave really doesn't like Romney.
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 11:34 PM
Jun 2012

He had a "Top Ten" nicknames for Romney, and none of them were even remotely flattering. I'm sure he'll have a field day with this tonight.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
55. Lying, amoral, anal retentive
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 02:59 PM
Jun 2012

preppie with lots of money, a sense of entitlement and a sadistic streak. Sounds like George W. Bush.

barbtries

(28,799 posts)
58. he's a really terrible person.
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 03:03 PM
Jun 2012

piling up victims. this country cannot fall prey to this disease.
GOTV

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
62. Abused people
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 03:06 PM
Jun 2012

either turn into abusers themselves or they break out of the paradigm and take steps never to become one themselves. I hope that these beautiful sons of his take the latter path.

mehrrh

(233 posts)
64. romney is a bully
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 03:08 PM
Jun 2012

They may find this funny in their family, but when an adult does this kind of prank with a child, it is more than a joke -- it is an abuse of authority -- do the bullies who do this think that the kids will fight back? Of course not. But the kids may cry from shock, or embarrassment or just the sense that the parent has made them look foolish. If my f-in-law had done this to my son, he'd have heard about it from me.
This is just another reason to despise Rmoney.

Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
67. bigtree
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 03:09 PM
Jun 2012

bigtree

I do not like bullies - they give scars that will last a lifetime... And Mitt sounds like a bully to me

Diclotican

Solly Mack

(90,773 posts)
68. He dishes it out but can't take it. Typical bully mentality.
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 03:09 PM
Jun 2012

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Wants to feel good about himself at everyone else's expense (through being abusive) and will not allow even the slightest of words or actions (real or imagined) that cause him to feel weak.

Apparently his son doesn't seem to understand what he is actually telling the world with that comment. How sad is that?

152. IT TOOK YEARS
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 05:13 PM
Jun 2012

to realize my father was an abuser, not sexually, but lots of physical abuse. Then because I was too much of a coward to tell him, I supressed it, and turned much into a comical story. My defense against what I couldn't change.

sybylla

(8,514 posts)
78. That's exactly what I was thinking.
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 04:15 PM
Jun 2012

I've seen abused children take on a perspective like Stockholm Syndrome. As children, we want to think that our parents love us, so when they show us they don't, some deny it, some excuse it, some justify it, some say that's how daddy shows us he loves us.

They may not, even as adults, believe they were abused or be capable of recognizing abusive behavior.

Which is exactly what this story sounds like.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
119. Excellent post
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 10:59 PM
Jun 2012

Bang on.
I had emotionally abusive parents and it took me years and years to see the behavior as such. My upbringing even blinded me to my (now ex) husband's mistreatment of me. I was in total denial and ignorance. I thought it was all normal. I'm sure the Romney boys think the same thing.

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
71. Imagine if he shoved some world leader's face into a plate of butter?
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 03:18 PM
Jun 2012

I could see him doing it, like Bush gave Merkel that "back rub"

proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
75. He's gone from no personality to sadist in just a few weeks
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 03:28 PM
Jun 2012

And neither of those is a winner for the GOP.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
76. For the sake of the country
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 03:57 PM
Jun 2012

I wish this assclown would get challenged, just so that on the off chance a Republican wins, we aren't stuck with the stupidest politician in our country's history.

This guy is a blunder a minute, and while I will be voting for Obama, and encouraging others to do so, this dude scares the hell out of me. I've met more than a few Republicans that say he scares them, too.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
81. if my father pushed my daughter's face in whipped cream when she was little
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 04:28 PM
Jun 2012

he would have been very sorry for that. It's abuse, plain and simple.

But he was not that way, thankfully.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
82. It sounds like something Moe would do to Larry and Curly
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 04:32 PM
Jun 2012

I wonder if Romney also shoved two fingers into their eyes. It's funny if it's being faked in a comedic routine. Not in real life, though.

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
83. (Future Mormon God) Romney is one sick puppy.
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 05:20 PM
Jun 2012

Could it be because they keep telling him that he will be the same as God one day?

Botany

(70,516 posts)
84. The list
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 05:22 PM
Jun 2012

torturing a gay young man
walking a blind man into a wall
dressing up as a state cop and pulling people over in traffic
pushing his grandson's face into a plate of food
protesting for the war in Vietnam all the time knowing he would not have to go
making millions by hurting innocent workers in companies he took over
insulting his hosts about the food he was served and then asking a woman why
she wasn't in the kitchen cooking
Wants to be POTUS but keeps his $ in Swiss and Cayman accounts
forced his dog to ride on the roof of his car for hours and when the dog crapped its self
out of fear Mitt hosed the dog and the car down and kept driving.

I am sorry but Mitt really needs a good old fashioned ass kicking.

"The guy lives off his investments... running for Prez seems to be a hobby." quote from DUer progressivebydesign

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
88. Blind man into a wall? Hadn't heard that one. You forgot about how he told
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 05:57 PM
Jun 2012

his former babysitter who was about to become an unwed mother that if she didn't give
the baby up for adoption, she would be excommunicated. She wanted to keep the
baby. (this was in Vanity Fair Feb 2012)

Botany

(70,516 posts)
95. Mitt is one twisted bit of nasty.
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 06:32 PM
Jun 2012

<MThe Post article also describes another episode in which Mr. Romney was accused of mistreating a mostly blind teacher at the Cranbrook School.

In that episode, students recalled that Mr. Romney purposely guided the blind teacher, known affectionately as “the Bat,” into a closed door.

“Romney giggled hysterically as the teacher shrugged it off as another of life’s indignities,” The Post wrote.>

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/10/romney-apologizes-after-reports-of-bullying-emerge/

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
101. Oh my goodness, thanks for quoting me. ;) Your list is amazing...
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 07:14 PM
Jun 2012

.. I see things that I hadn't know about before. He walked a blind man into a wall??? Wth?

 

clang1

(884 posts)
87. re: So, Romney Viciously Bullied His Sons, Too
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 05:55 PM
Jun 2012

This I think is what perturbs me about this guy. I get a weird vibe out of rmoney. Hollow, shallow, but something more.

Bake

(21,977 posts)
96. Can you imagine a Romney cabinet meeting?
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 06:34 PM
Jun 2012

Watch for pies and sticks of butter ... hilarity ensues.

Bake

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
99. He was one silver spoon away from being a serial killer.
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 07:06 PM
Jun 2012

Almost joking. Did anyone ever look into unsolved crimes around the time he drove around with that state trooper's uniform in his car???

The guy creeps me out. And as someone else wrote above, I did NOT have that feeling about Bush or McCain. Romney is twisted, and a total bully. People put up with his shit because he's been rich his whole life. Please oh please, let them stop hiding this jerk from the media and ordinary people again. They NEED to see who he really is.. and it's not pretty.

People can say what they want on the right wing sites about President Obama, but he is a good person. Just as many republicans are also good people. Romney is a thug in $5,000.00 loafers.

Okay.. hate to be catty, but his sons all have this weird vacant look to them.

And for the record, I HATE practical jokes! I can see people's micro expressions, things that most people miss. And even if you think that your practical joke was funny... there is a moment between when the person believes that something GOOD is happening to them, and when they laugh (because it's expected of you to be a good sport,) when you see utter humiliation in their faces. The premise of most practical jokes is pretty sinister, as the most often are set up as something really good that will make the person feel special, only to be humiliated. I have always hated practical jokes. They're cruel.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
134. I agree with you completely about practical jokes
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 08:06 AM
Jun 2012

Practical jokes humiliate, even if only for a moment. I think this is what motives the jokesters to do them.

I hate the idea of them so much that when someone wants me to participate in one I have always refused vehemently and tried to talk them out of it. It sets up the victim as an object of deliberate humiliation in the eyes of the people pulling the joke long before the person is a victim and in the end the victim knows this. It's cruel in a way that shows a telling lack of respect for the innate dignity of people and it is deliberately unkind.

But to be fair, I think many jokesters don't have such a feeling. Not everyone is sensitive to the small humiliations that are inflicted on people every day, and not all people feel humiliated. I just think that if you think it would feel bad to be a target of a prank that you shouldn't be part of one.

elleng

(130,974 posts)
107. "He does like pranks
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 08:10 PM
Jun 2012

but he doesn't like to get pranked. We've learned that the hard way," Josh said. . .

The Romney sons also revealed that they had tried to persuade their father not to make a second run for the White House, knowing it would bring their young families under fresh scrutiny.

Matt Romney said: "I was really reluctant. I didn't want him to do it. I tried to convince him not to. I think there were a few of us who tried that. I just felt like, for us as a family, this isn't the best thing.




klook

(12,157 posts)
116. Ultimately he instituted a policy of self-bullying...
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 10:25 PM
Jun 2012

Instead of waiting for their Dad or Granddad to push their faces into a plate of butter or a bowl of whipped cream, the kids would just dish it up and mash their own faces into the glop.

deaniac21

(6,747 posts)
118. He is obviously a deranged Mormon, however
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 10:28 PM
Jun 2012

I kinda get off on the thought of getting my face pushed into a plate of butter.

EC

(12,287 posts)
124. Then I guess if he gets a pie in the face
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 11:33 PM
Jun 2012

or glitter bombed, he'll have a good laugh?

His sons expressions looking at him don't seem to display love, do they? They appear angry.

mwb970

(11,360 posts)
130. Romney seems more like a sociopath with each passing day.
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 07:08 AM
Jun 2012

His attitude toward his fellow humans (assuming he is actually human) is consistently sick and terrible. It's as if he were vying for the Most Typical Republican award. What awful people these are.

hamsterjill

(15,222 posts)
138. So now he wants to bully the American people
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 11:46 AM
Jun 2012

I guess the thrill is gone from bullying just his sons, grandsons, classmates, etc., etc. He needs a bigger "high", so he's hoping to be President and start bullying the people who have less than he does.

His actions are VERY disturbing and I genuinely hope that most people are smart enough to see this man for what he really is! Pardon me if I worry a little...

sandyshoes17

(657 posts)
140. Remember this story
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 12:35 PM
Jun 2012

Snip:
It's been clear for a while that Romney is not the kind of guy you want to play touch football with. In two debates, Romney bragged about forcing Ted Kennedy to take out a second mortgage when he ran against him for Senate in 1994. Romney lost, but hey, at least he caused Kennedy a little pain. His killer instinct extends beyond politics. Before the Iowa caucuses, he called his son Craig on stage to tell the delightful story about the time at the Romney family triathlon (yes!) Romney and his daughter-in-law -- who had given birth to his grandchild a couple months before -- were the last two left in the race. Romney couldn't let his son's wife be only the second-worst athlete.

CRAIG ROMNEY: ...And it was down to my wife and my dad over here.

ROMNEY: I tripped her.

CRAIG ROMNEY: And it was kind of in the home stretch in the run there. And she had a slight lead on him. And he said that in that moment, he decided he was going to win that race or he was going to die trying. And you see this fight to the finish, and he went for this -- he gave it everything he had. He gave it a good kick and he beat her in the end. And he did almost die trying, by the way.

He passed out in a lawn chair and we didn't see him the rest of the day. He barely made lot of life. But it's that type of hard work, it's that type of determination, I think, that we need in the White House.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
144. pushing their heads into plates of butter
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 04:48 PM
Jun 2012

this would get a .... wtf is wrong with you. i have never been ok with this kind of "joking". i see it as mean. i bet the grandson not raised with this would be shocked. i couldnt imagine one of my boys young, experiencing this, and adults laughing.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
145. Those polygamous ex-Mormons don't like their sons--
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 05:33 PM
Jun 2012

too much competition for the women. They kick them out of the compound soon as they hit puberty.

Maybe the same attitude with the mainstream. They kick them out too. Off on missions at 18.

TNLib

(1,819 posts)
147. Sounds like he might have been abusive.
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 05:57 PM
Jun 2012

Especially the part where his son said "we found out the hard way he doesn't like to be pranked." That just sounds eerie to me.

LuckyLib

(6,819 posts)
148. The word that comes to mind here is humiliation. Rmoney humiliated
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 06:27 PM
Jun 2012

others, and thinks it's all part of life, part of yuk-yuk it up. It is creepy. And it seems to be part of his persona.

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