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Trump says he has an I Q of 156 (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2016 OP
Immature Quack TheCowsCameHome Dec 2016 #1
And, like Kim Jong-Il, I'm sure he got 7 holes in one the first time golfing, wrote concerts & plays TheBlackAdder Dec 2016 #50
I doubt that. As a Mensa member, i'm pretty sure that he's not close. Shrewd but not SharonAnn Dec 2016 #84
156! Why that's unpresidented! CanonRay Dec 2016 #2
+1 progressoid Dec 2016 #48
lol DesertRat Dec 2016 #61
yeah, you caught that too. lapfog_1 Dec 2016 #62
LULZ Champion Jack Dec 2016 #82
You win the thread malaise Dec 2016 #114
trump says.....and his spelling skills are 'unpresidented' spanone Dec 2016 #3
Only people with an IQ higher than 155 know that "unpresidented" is a real word. DetlefK Dec 2016 #4
When Trump takes the oath, the United States will be "unpresidented." MineralMan Dec 2016 #18
Exactly!!! nt 2naSalit Dec 2016 #32
Yep! Squinch Dec 2016 #54
Or, perhaps the EC could unpresident Trump on Monday. stopbush Dec 2016 #66
Best case scenario... 2naSalit Dec 2016 #94
Bigly nt doc03 Dec 2016 #80
He's being characteristically modest. It's probably more like 256 Bucky Dec 2016 #5
The only people yapping sharp_stick Dec 2016 #6
divided by 3.... bobalew Dec 2016 #7
Typo: He dropped the decimal point between the five and six. malchickiwick Dec 2016 #8
He is also in excellent health . All his test results were positive ! He is a god emperor! lunasun Dec 2016 #9
If he is even in the triple digits then I am Queen Elizabeth. smirkymonkey Dec 2016 #10
In 'Dog' years!!! revmclaren Dec 2016 #11
I'm willing to accept his claim, if he accepts he has an EQ of... Hugin Dec 2016 #12
DFT (Donald Fucking Trump) has probably made... 3catwoman3 Dec 2016 #34
I was pondering the possibility of a negative EQ as I made this post. Hugin Dec 2016 #55
Riiight... Docreed2003 Dec 2016 #13
Maybe that's why he really didn't Greybnk48 Dec 2016 #14
This guy is the biggest liar in the universe! nt MADem Dec 2016 #64
Now that is funny etherealtruth Dec 2016 #15
He probably took one of those super-accurate online tests unitedwethrive Dec 2016 #16
Highly doubtful. MineralMan Dec 2016 #17
This. Indubitably. MANative Dec 2016 #22
I guessing more like 1200! 3catwoman3 Dec 2016 #36
I would say that's about accurate. smirkymonkey Dec 2016 #23
Well said. nt cwydro Dec 2016 #28
115? You'd go that high? Dream Girl Dec 2016 #35
Yes. That's about the minimum required MineralMan Dec 2016 #37
Not if you are a legacy admission. Legacy admissions also buy good grades Nay Dec 2016 #49
No--I think he MIGHT have had an IQ of 110-115 at one time, but I am pretty sure he couldn't tblue37 Dec 2016 #112
That was his IQ at his peak. Charles Bukowski Dec 2016 #115
115 would put him above average... Docreed2003 Dec 2016 #60
No, I don't think so. He has some success in a relatively MineralMan Dec 2016 #67
Indeed he's on the narcissistic/sociopathic spectrum! Docreed2003 Dec 2016 #91
IQ tests are calibrated so 100 the norm. I doubt he has an above average IQ. tblue37 Dec 2016 #110
There is nothing he won't lie about BainsBane Dec 2016 #19
He lies when the truth sounds better. Cracklin Charlie Dec 2016 #29
I saw what you did there! cwydro Dec 2016 #65
+1 uponit7771 Dec 2016 #86
On a scale of 1 to a brazilian? spiderpig Dec 2016 #20
Idiot Qualities Mendocino Dec 2016 #21
WOW! That's well within the Idiot Savant range. nt procon Dec 2016 #24
He doesn't need to go to the intelligence briefings milestogo Dec 2016 #25
LOL treestar Dec 2016 #26
Utter nonsense. cwydro Dec 2016 #27
I would guess that Trump's IQ is about the same as GWB's at 91. putitinD Dec 2016 #30
I dislike Dubya but his I Q is higher than 91, lol. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2016 #41
if Dumbya got a 1270, he didn't do that on his own, someone took the test for him or strings were putitinD Dec 2016 #44
I got a 1400 on my sat, and 1470 on gre La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #79
Likely higher than 140. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2016 #89
About 130-135 I would say HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #92
It was the 1600 sat and gre La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #97
Mensa ballpark HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #106
He also says he's a billionaire. rug Dec 2016 #31
Trump has a moral IQ of 6 Martin Eden Dec 2016 #33
IQ of 156 my pig's eye! meow2u3 Dec 2016 #38
He's only off by one digit Emilybemily Dec 2016 #39
That number is likely about as accurate... 3catwoman3 Dec 2016 #40
I once tested a high school student for special education services. MoonRiver Dec 2016 #42
The same range as tRump. Auntie Bush Dec 2016 #59
The Unabomber shockey80 Dec 2016 #43
... greatauntoftriplets Dec 2016 #45
High iq is not a normal thing HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #46
That's why he has the "best words" Coventina Dec 2016 #47
He can't even spell unprecedented. beaglelover Dec 2016 #51
Well, waddya know? Denzil_DC Dec 2016 #52
Interesting True Dough Dec 2016 #99
Obama isn't on there Denzil_DC Dec 2016 #118
Most really smart people don't talk about their I.Q., it shows. It's the dimwits that get into I.Q. RKP5637 Dec 2016 #53
He also says he won the election in a landslide and has big hands, so......... Squinch Dec 2016 #56
BS! I remember when he was reading his roast about Hillary...he read like a first grader and Auntie Bush Dec 2016 #57
He's just being modest Revanchist Dec 2016 #58
Trump may have and EGO quotient of 156. Eugene Dec 2016 #63
I think there's a misplaced decimal point in there. Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #68
So does my cat MFM008 Dec 2016 #69
Trump is the type who would flaunt his IQ like it matters. Oneironaut Dec 2016 #70
Of course he'll have to actually produce those official scores BigDemVoter Dec 2016 #71
Interesting! Different Drummer Dec 2016 #72
Trying to compensate for those tiny hands again I see. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2016 #73
In Octal (Base 8) cojoel Dec 2016 #74
when will he release his IQ test results? Takket Dec 2016 #75
maybe it's just the highest number he knows. yurbud Dec 2016 #76
I LOL'd True Dough Dec 2016 #101
"It's HUGE! Maybe even a higher number if it exists." yurbud Dec 2016 #111
Prove it rickford66 Dec 2016 #77
I have always heard there is a thin line between genius and insanity. nt doc03 Dec 2016 #78
Maybe if he's measuring in Base 7. 156 is 90. n/t CincyDem Dec 2016 #81
All that contact with Obama has moonscape Dec 2016 #83
156? He can't spell precedent. no_hypocrisy Dec 2016 #85
And for every golf course he opens Lithos Dec 2016 #87
Final Answer? Generic Brad Dec 2016 #88
Absolutely. tavernier Dec 2016 #90
156? More like 15.6... VOX Dec 2016 #93
It's much more simple than that. Thav Dec 2016 #98
so, why is he only using a third of it? spanone Dec 2016 #95
he hides it well JI7 Dec 2016 #96
Rly? huh irisblue Dec 2016 #100
Anyone who uses Twitter as deftly as he does... True Dough Dec 2016 #102
Can he not lie/exaggerate? Dem2 Dec 2016 #103
dumphuck "says" a lot of things.. but where are his tax returns? Cha Dec 2016 #104
Yes. He has a VERY HIGH Idiot Quotient. nt madinmaryland Dec 2016 #105
LMAO! coco22 Dec 2016 #107
I can't stop laughing! coco22 Dec 2016 #108
IQ tests are only used for diagnosing people with special needs or duffyduff Dec 2016 #109
Actually it is used as criteria for 5 year olds to get into gifted programs HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #119
Nope. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #113
Somewhere Ken Jennings is laughing his ass off right about now. lpbk2713 Dec 2016 #116
He should get his doctor to back him up on it. gulliver Dec 2016 #117

SharonAnn

(13,778 posts)
84. I doubt that. As a Mensa member, i'm pretty sure that he's not close. Shrewd but not
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 02:44 PM
Dec 2016

intelligent. Gifted con-man, but that doesn't make him intelligent, just manipulative.

lapfog_1

(29,226 posts)
62. yeah, you caught that too.
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 01:36 PM
Dec 2016

When I saw that tweet I just put my head in my hands and died a little inside.

This idiot thinks he is "smarticle" because all of his like he has surrounded himself with ass kissers that tell him how great he is.

And he is going to be President.

MineralMan

(146,333 posts)
18. When Trump takes the oath, the United States will be "unpresidented."
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 12:13 PM
Dec 2016

Donald Trump will be the "Unpresident" of The United States. UOTUS, if you like...

2naSalit

(86,802 posts)
94. Best case scenario...
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 04:13 PM
Dec 2016

We're still screwed unless some legal action to correct this mess.. if there is one, takes place.

malchickiwick

(1,474 posts)
8. Typo: He dropped the decimal point between the five and six.
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 11:47 AM
Dec 2016

We all know he has trouble typing with those tiny li'l hands.

Hugin

(33,207 posts)
12. I'm willing to accept his claim, if he accepts he has an EQ of...
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 11:51 AM
Dec 2016
0, big fat goose egg, none, ziltch, zero, nada.

"Emotional intelligence (EI) or emotional quotient (EQ) is the capability of individuals to recognize their own, and other people's emotions, to discriminate between different feelings and label them appropriately, to use emotional information to guide thinking and behavior, and to manage and/or adjust emotions to adapt environments."

Emotional Intelligence

3catwoman3

(24,053 posts)
34. DFT (Donald Fucking Trump) has probably made...
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 12:45 PM
Dec 2016

...possible the concept of a negative EQ. Same with his supporters.

I am baffled by the existence of so many cold-hearted, mean-spirited people.

Hugin

(33,207 posts)
55. I was pondering the possibility of a negative EQ as I made this post.
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 01:29 PM
Dec 2016

It's quite possible. I'm glad you brought it up.

It would be defined as those personalities who delight in inflicting suffering on those with positive EQs.

Worthy of study, I suppose. But, in this new world of mean-spirited spite, who would care?

Thanks for the comment.

Greybnk48

(10,176 posts)
14. Maybe that's why he really didn't
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 12:06 PM
Dec 2016

go to grad school at Wharton for an MBA, he just lied about it. And he wasn't an honor student as an undergrad either, he was mediocre at best. When you "dat bigly smart" you already know it all and don't need to study OR actually go to grad school.

Or not.

unitedwethrive

(1,997 posts)
16. He probably took one of those super-accurate online tests
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 12:09 PM
Dec 2016

After all, he gets all his information from the internet.

MineralMan

(146,333 posts)
17. Highly doubtful.
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 12:11 PM
Dec 2016

Everyone I know with a high IQ is highly literate, well-read, articulate and able to think logically about things.

Donald Trump is not.

My guess for his IQ is about 115. He's a voluntary non-reader and has a small vocabulary. Perhaps he's somewhat dyslexic, but he shows no outward signs of having an IQ as high as he claims. Most prominent in his public presentation is a lack of reasoning ability and lack of curiosity about things. He seems unwilling or unable to learn, and that's another sign of a lower IQ.

MANative

(4,112 posts)
22. This. Indubitably.
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 12:23 PM
Dec 2016

I'd bet that his vocabulary doesn't exceed 12,000 words. Highly literate people often have vocabulary of about 30,000. He often uses words incorrectly or out of context, and makes frequent spelling and syntax errors. I think you're almost certainly right about him being dyslexic, for which he's probably learned no remediation skills.

3catwoman3

(24,053 posts)
36. I guessing more like 1200!
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 12:49 PM
Dec 2016

he would be in big trouble without his go to words of 'di-sASS-tah', huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge, really bad, and "believe me."

MineralMan

(146,333 posts)
37. Yes. That's about the minimum required
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 12:49 PM
Dec 2016

to manage a prep school and a college, even if you're there after a huge donation by Daddy.

Slightly above the median, but not by much. Maybe only 110.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
49. Not if you are a legacy admission. Legacy admissions also buy good grades
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 01:19 PM
Dec 2016

when they are in, mostly by paying other students to take notes, write papers for them, and even steal tests or bribe professors. They use the same tactics and advantages that star football players use.

Ask me how I know. I didn't participate in this sort of farce at university, but I sure saw it happen.

tblue37

(65,490 posts)
112. No--I think he MIGHT have had an IQ of 110-115 at one time, but I am pretty sure he couldn't
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 06:01 PM
Dec 2016

pull it off if tested now, because I am convinced that he has Alzheimer's or some other sort of cognitive impairment.

Docreed2003

(16,877 posts)
60. 115 would put him above average...
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 01:33 PM
Dec 2016

I'd wager he's closer to 100, given his speech patterns and vernacular. For him to suggest that his IQ is 156, is laughable on its face not only given his history, but there's only one IQ scale, that I know of, that scores that high and that score would be four points less than the max of 160. He's no Mensa member.

MineralMan

(146,333 posts)
67. No, I don't think so. He has some success in a relatively
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 01:52 PM
Dec 2016

complicated business. That's not really typical of people with IQs around 100. I give him that 15 points, based on his abilities to manage his business endeavors, no matter how poorly he does that.

However, his lack of curiosity and disinclination to educate himself indicates that he's unlikely to have an IQ higher than 115. He's just not a person who seeks out information for its own sake, or even when it might be useful to him. He hires people to do that stuff for him, because it's not really within his capabilities.

Still, raw IQ measurements aren't all that interesting really. What is really troublesome about Donald Trump is his lack of any ethical standards and his unconcern about others. His Empathy Quotient or EQ is very low. That's typical of narcissists and sociopaths. The man has some kind of personality disorder. I think that's obvious.

tblue37

(65,490 posts)
110. IQ tests are calibrated so 100 the norm. I doubt he has an above average IQ.
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 05:58 PM
Dec 2016

I would guess 100 or 105 max.

BainsBane

(53,072 posts)
19. There is nothing he won't lie about
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 12:17 PM
Dec 2016

Even if true--which it obviously isn't--who the fuck cares? He obviously doesn't have the work ethic or responsibility to adequately execute the job of president.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,714 posts)
41. I dislike Dubya but his I Q is higher than 91, lol.
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 12:56 PM
Dec 2016

He pulled a 1270 on the SAT. That is equivalent to an I Q in the 120-130 area.


Based on educational achievements Drumpf's I Q might be in the 120 range. We would need to see his grades and if strings were pulled to get him in an Ivy League university.

putitinD

(1,551 posts)
44. if Dumbya got a 1270, he didn't do that on his own, someone took the test for him or strings were
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 01:01 PM
Dec 2016

pulled. He could hardly put together a proper sentence, neither can Drumpf. Neither of these men have IQ's above 100. No Way.

 

HoneyBadger

(2,297 posts)
106. Mensa ballpark
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 05:45 PM
Dec 2016
https://www.us.mensa.org/join/testscores/qualifying-test-scores/

By the way , the smartest guy I know, a world famous Financial guy, got a near perfect SAT. The best part is that he remembered the one question that he thought was poorly worded, hired subject experts and lawyers, and challenged it. They did not give it to him. He loves to tell that story, even at 50+ years, having made billions. If you talk to him (known him since he needed a babysitter), he does not seem like anyone special, other than being extremely arrogant with strangers.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
42. I once tested a high school student for special education services.
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 12:57 PM
Dec 2016

He was 14 and reading on a second grade level. When I talked with him, he said he knew he was "very smart." His IQ tested at 84, in the Below Average range. Just saying.

 

HoneyBadger

(2,297 posts)
46. High iq is not a normal thing
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 01:16 PM
Dec 2016

So, I can see it. If anything I would guess that Trump is 2E (twice exceptional) where a learning disability is equalized by a high iq, allowing some to "function" in the world. It is an extremely common diagnosis these days. I know 4 kids with it in my child's class.

I got 1470 out of 1600 on the old SAT, an unremarkable score in my high school and at my school (same one as Trump), in my case 800 was on math, so I was not a particularly good writer or speaker. That said, I am comfortably in the genius range according to Mensa. My wife has always disagreed with this assessment by the way.

My kid, again unremarkable, took an SB iq test at 5 years old. 140 did not even qualify him for a second interview in the program that he was applying to.

Denzil_DC

(7,265 posts)
52. Well, waddya know?
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 01:26 PM
Dec 2016
Intelligence Commotion
A chart purportedly showing that Donald Trump has an IQ of 156 is based on incomplete and outright inaccurate information.

Origin: A chart purportedly ranking the intelligence quotients of former presidents of the United States made the rounds on social media in December 2016, along with the claim that the President-elect would rank among the smartest, boasting an IQ of 156:



...

This chart is based on a real study; however, the claim that Donald Trump has an IQ of 156 is not.

...

This article is chock-full of logical missteps and factual inaccuracies. Trump's official school transcripts are not available, so it is impossible to know his actual scholastic aptitude scores. While the article's author used Wharton's general admission requirements to estimate Trump's IQ, the math still doesn't quite add up.

According to PrepScholar.com, Wharton's SAT requirements are currently set at 1500. This roughly translates to an IQ score between A145 and 149, not 156. Regardless, Wharton's admission requirements are irrelevant, since Trump did not enter Wharton as a freshman. He transferred there his junior year, and Wharton does not list SAT scores among its requirements for transfer students.

Gwenda Blair claimed in her 2001 biography about Donald Trump and his family that the President-elect was admitted to Wharton thanks to a friendly admissions officer ...

http://www.snopes.com/donald-trumps-intelligence-quotient/


Oh, Donnie. Punked by the Intertubes again.

I think we should demand the release of those transcripts, don't you?

True Dough

(17,331 posts)
99. Interesting
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 04:49 PM
Dec 2016

I'd never seen this chart before. Poor Ulysses down there at the bottom.

I notice Obama isn't among the ranks. I'd guess he'd fall somewhere within the top third. I took a spin around the inner-webz to see if I could find it but I see some sites reporting that Obama's IQ has never been publicly released. Anyone know otherwise?

Denzil_DC

(7,265 posts)
118. Obama isn't on there
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 07:13 PM
Dec 2016

because he hadn't been elected president when the chart was drawn up in 2006.

Aside from disputes about what IQ actually is, let alone whether it can be measured and compared in any meaningful way, most of the IQs recorded in that chart are guesstimates - "historiometric" assessments based on their academic achievements etc.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
53. Most really smart people don't talk about their I.Q., it shows. It's the dimwits that get into I.Q.
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 01:26 PM
Dec 2016

pissing contests.

Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
57. BS! I remember when he was reading his roast about Hillary...he read like a first grader and
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 01:30 PM
Dec 2016

Pointed with his finger. The man has a low IQ for sure. I want to see his college records. He wanted Obama's so why not his?

Oneironaut

(5,525 posts)
70. Trump is the type who would flaunt his IQ like it matters.
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 01:57 PM
Dec 2016

You know the type. The "I'm just sooooo intelligent!" type that thinks everybody else is an idiot. That's why he doesn't believe he needs advisors.

BigDemVoter

(4,157 posts)
71. Of course he'll have to actually produce those official scores
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 02:01 PM
Dec 2016

along with his taxes, his birth certificate (long form) to prove he was actually born in the US and not in Russia, and a complete financial disclosure of EVERYTHING he owns and or has business in.

Different Drummer

(7,649 posts)
72. Interesting!
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 02:10 PM
Dec 2016

So, according to the link below, he's a Nobel Prize-winning genius with an IQ almost as high as that of Albert Einstein.

http://www.wilderdom.com/intelligence/IQWhatScoresMean.html

A bold claim for a man who clearly does not speak very well and has shown a disinclination to read and be educated about things he doesn't already know.

Takket

(21,633 posts)
75. when will he release his IQ test results?
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 02:26 PM
Dec 2016

i think he forgot a decimal point somewhere. either after the 5.... or after the 1.... or before the 1 LOL

Cha

(297,705 posts)
104. dumphuck "says" a lot of things.. but where are his tax returns?
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 05:41 PM
Dec 2016

Someone should tell him that bragging about some high number IQ and talking like a complete idiot is not impressive.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
109. IQ tests are only used for diagnosing people with special needs or
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 05:54 PM
Dec 2016

developmental disorders by qualified personnel. Mensa or other such bullshit organizations don't count. It is no indication of how "smart" a person is.

 

HoneyBadger

(2,297 posts)
119. Actually it is used as criteria for 5 year olds to get into gifted programs
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 10:17 PM
Dec 2016

It is no measure of drive or success, but yes it is a measure of intelligence. With an IQ under 100, there are a lot of jobs that you should not do, jobs that involve reading comprehension for example. 125, go to med school. The nice thing about IQ tests is that generally they are impossible to game.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,858 posts)
113. Nope.
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 06:02 PM
Dec 2016

The only way that might be true is if there's a "sociopath intelligence test" that I've never heard about... with the 'correct' answers being the most heartless and expedient ones.

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