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zanana1

(6,122 posts)
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 01:12 PM Dec 2016

I get pissed when people in Europe critiicize this country.

It seems to be very fashionable to criticize everything American. Sure--we've done alot of stupid things, but so have they. Brexit, anyone?
I don't think it's necesssary to state the obvious, either. Sure, we elected a disaster. Yes, it will affect the world. We actually know this and don't have to be told over and over again.
Rant over.

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I get pissed when people in Europe critiicize this country. (Original Post) zanana1 Dec 2016 OP
Don't mind it much. maveric Dec 2016 #1
yea they are the grown ups bdamomma Dec 2016 #6
Nobody is grown up. zanana1 Dec 2016 #18
no sorry bdamomma Dec 2016 #19
Same here. cwydro Dec 2016 #15
Well. Our president elect IS Trump.... think Dec 2016 #2
Why they do it. HassleCat Dec 2016 #3
well...... bdamomma Dec 2016 #4
It's kind of like criticizing your screwed-up, dysfunctional family. smirkymonkey Dec 2016 #5
That's excactly my point. zanana1 Dec 2016 #17
That's the way I feel too.. nt Raine Dec 2016 #23
I just read scuttlebutt that Putin also hacked the Brexit vote. shraby Dec 2016 #7
he is a busy rat bdamomma Dec 2016 #20
I just point out that the majority didn't elect him Warpy Dec 2016 #8
My experience over time indicates... tosh Dec 2016 #9
The USA has earned every bit of scorn the rest of the world will be dumping on it. geek tragedy Dec 2016 #10
Me too jehop61 Dec 2016 #11
2 words. donald. trump. we are stupid. we need to hear it over and over and over again. spanone Dec 2016 #12
If we didn't fuck up, they'd have nothing to say. immoderate Dec 2016 #13
I appreciate hearing from a different perspective. Our politics have global impact suffragette Dec 2016 #14
I think they have plenty of experience with fascists alarimer Dec 2016 #16
Hating America has always been fashionable MicaelS Dec 2016 #21
We've kinda earned it: Reagan, Bush I & II, and now The Orange Comb-over... VOX Dec 2016 #22
as an American who lived there a few times Skittles Dec 2016 #24
Brexit? How about WWI and WWII as monumental HeartachesNhangovers Dec 2016 #25
The Italians had Berlusconi. n/t Vogon_Glory Dec 2016 #26
*shrugs* I get pissed when Americans criticize what is obviously a superior way of life. resistance2016 Dec 2016 #27

zanana1

(6,122 posts)
18. Nobody is grown up.
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 04:08 PM
Dec 2016

We might like to think we are, but our inner child is running around making a mess of the place.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
3. Why they do it.
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 01:16 PM
Dec 2016

The US often tries to dictate to other countries. Think George W Bush and his behavior in the wake of 9-11.

bdamomma

(63,881 posts)
4. well......
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 01:17 PM
Dec 2016

they did it before when Bush was re-elected again. You don't expect we will be praised for this?

We got knocked off the world stage. Just venting

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
5. It's kind of like criticizing your screwed-up, dysfunctional family.
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 01:17 PM
Dec 2016

You can bitch about them all you want, but when someone outside of the family does it -- well, that is just not acceptable. I have plenty of complaints about the US, but I understand you. My defenses go up when people outside our country start attacking us, even though they may be right.

zanana1

(6,122 posts)
17. That's excactly my point.
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 04:04 PM
Dec 2016

We can criticize this country, and we do. Our outrage is passionate and far exceeds the anger of other countries. That's because we love it and even get all corny about it. But when someone from the outside criticizes, it just rubs me the wrong way. I don't care if they're right. We know about the stupid things we do and how screwed up our political system is. Home is home.

shraby

(21,946 posts)
7. I just read scuttlebutt that Putin also hacked the Brexit vote.
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 01:19 PM
Dec 2016

He's been a busy rat.

edited to add:
I don't remember where I read it..it was last night that I ran across it, so I have no link.

Warpy

(111,277 posts)
8. I just point out that the majority didn't elect him
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 01:26 PM
Dec 2016

even with the Russian hacking and Comey's treason and only an electoral peculiarity that was supposed to prevent demagogues and poseurs from gaining office put one there.

Then I agree with them that he's a disaster in the making and congratulate them for having chosen to be born elsewhere.

tosh

(4,423 posts)
9. My experience over time indicates...
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 01:40 PM
Dec 2016

that most Western Europeans admire us greatly.

They don't like seeing us make missteps such as this (gigantic) one.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
10. The USA has earned every bit of scorn the rest of the world will be dumping on it.
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 01:42 PM
Dec 2016

The less we are respected internationally, the quicker maybe just maybe some of our dimmer bulbs will realize Trump pissed away our greatness rather than restoring it.

Europeans can bash away to their heart's content if they want, since they're right.

Personally I will have zero national pride, or feeling of patriotism, for the next 4 years. America is not great, it's not even good.

I'm a New Yorker, but an American only in the legal sense.

jehop61

(1,735 posts)
11. Me too
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 01:55 PM
Dec 2016

We are a resilient country and will weather this storm like we did others. Got to keep positive and resist!

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
14. I appreciate hearing from a different perspective. Our politics have global impact
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 02:37 PM
Dec 2016

just as theirs do.

It's worthwhile to recognize when certain trends are impacting countries globally, such as the rightwing, nationalistic, and fear mongering that led to Brexit and Trump.

It's also important for countries to examine issues such as other countries hacking elections, for example Germans pointing to what happened here with Trump and pointing out that their legislature was hacked and they need to take this seriously given the example of what happened here.

Policies don't stop at borders. Knowledge and opinions don't, either

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
21. Hating America has always been fashionable
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 06:40 PM
Dec 2016

Among certain segments of the American Left. I have often wondered if there is as much self- hatred among the European Left, as there is among the American Left.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
22. We've kinda earned it: Reagan, Bush I & II, and now The Orange Comb-over...
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 06:54 PM
Dec 2016

I hear what you're saying, "throwing stones in glass houses," etc.

But the U.S. has been pretty brutal worldwide for awhile now. Jesus, just Trump alone is hateworthy.

Skittles

(153,169 posts)
24. as an American who lived there a few times
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 07:34 PM
Dec 2016

I have to say, they tend to view Americans as a one-size-fits-all people - they seem to have ZERO understanding just how large and diverse America and her states are

25. Brexit? How about WWI and WWII as monumental
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 07:48 PM
Dec 2016

screw-ups?

I don't mind if Europeans or other foreigners think badly of the US or Americans - they're entitled to their opinion. What I don't like is when Americans are all worried about what the Euros think of us.

 

resistance2016

(86 posts)
27. *shrugs* I get pissed when Americans criticize what is obviously a superior way of life.
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 08:04 PM
Dec 2016

People in Europe can criticize all they want for all I care, I'm too goddamn concerned with trying to find ways to feed myself in this fucking hellhole...

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