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proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 01:08 AM Jun 2012

Rachel did the best job of explaining Fast and Furious tonight

She traced it back to that lunatic who encouraged all the window breaking back in March, 2010 when the health care reform bill passed. After that, he moved on to this conspiracy theory about Obama wanting to take guns away because the ATF sent guns across the border into Mexico. They started this while Bush was in office, but that's not important to the folks who believe Obama wants to take guns away.

And the Republican leadership in Congress was just stupid enough to believe all of this and run with it.

Unbelievable.

Here's the window breaking guy:



Mike Vanderboegh

http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/after-hcr-passed-militia-leader-said

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Rachel did the best job of explaining Fast and Furious tonight (Original Post) proud2BlibKansan Jun 2012 OP
This sorry excuse for a human being Carla in Sequim Jun 2012 #1
He's a lunatic. proud2BlibKansan Jun 2012 #4
re: Rachel did the best job of explaining Fast and Furious tonight clang1 Jun 2012 #2
The connection is that the same guy who encouraged the window breaking proud2BlibKansan Jun 2012 #3
Don't get it. Why would the ATF sending guns result in Obama taking guns? dkf Jun 2012 #5
His theory is that by selling the arms to Mexico we would cause shootings that would outrage the dsc Jun 2012 #7
Yeah, because shootings mzmolly Jun 2012 #8
Interesting . . . MrModerate Jun 2012 #9
That's a pretty far stretch. dkf Jun 2012 #11
The far rights nuts are that paranoid. proud2BlibKansan Jun 2012 #12
Lol yes that is so true. dkf Jun 2012 #14
Even more outrageous is how the gun dealers love to give guns to gang members... gregoire Jun 2012 #15
re: The connection is that the same guy who encouraged the window breaking clang1 Jun 2012 #6
..but no one claimed that F&F was a secret plot to take away everyone's guns before this nutbag did Viking12 Jun 2012 #20
Here's a good explanation: proud2BlibKansan Jun 2012 #21
From the article at Crooks & Liars Iwillnevergiveup Jun 2012 #10
This is a caption Iwillnevergiveup Jun 2012 #13
Spam deleted by OKNancy (MIR Team) Donte Brown Jun 2012 #16
In my small town in WA mountains marlakay Jun 2012 #17
Rachel's best remark at the end of the piece.. ananda Jun 2012 #18
Mexico Ambassador Arturo Sarukhan Says U.S. Guns Fuel Violence, Denies Mexico Is Infringing Upon Gun clang1 Jun 2012 #19

Carla in Sequim

(228 posts)
1. This sorry excuse for a human being
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 01:19 AM
Jun 2012

is just the kind the dark side loves. Really pathetic.
It is disturbing that one of the offices damaged was that of Congresswoman Giffords. Perhaps the Secret Service should see if there is a connection to that and the shooting.
If so, give it to the Justice Dept. to prosecute.

Point. Set. Match.

proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
4. He's a lunatic.
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 01:47 AM
Jun 2012
To all modern Sons of Liberty: THIS is your time. Break their windows. Break them NOW.
Sons of Liberty burn and sack the house of the Massachusetts lieutenant governor, Thomas Hutchinson.

To all free Americans who still hold dear the Founders' vision of a constitutional Republic and who wish to remain free --

Nancy Pelosi's Intolerable Act is within days of passage by devious means so corrupt and twisted that even members of her own party recoil in disgust.

This act will order all of us to play or pay, and if we do not wish to, we will be fined.

If we refuse to pay the fine out of principle, we will be jailed.

If we resist arrest, we will be killed.

They will send the Internal Revenue Service and other federal police to do this in thousands of small Wacos, if that is what it takes to force us to submit.

This arrogant elite pretends that this oppression is for our own good, while everyone else understands that this is about their selfish, insatiable appetite for control over our liberty, our money, our property and our lives.

The majority of the people have made it plain that they do not want this tyrannical transfer of power wrapped in soft lies.

It does not matter.

Pelosi and her ilk apparently do not understand that this Intolerable Act has some folks so angry that they are ready to resist their slow-rolling revolution against the Founders' Republic by force of arms. Why should they? For in the past seventy-five years of being pushed back continually from the free exercise of our God-given rights to life, liberty and property, WE HAVE NEVER SHOVED BACK. Rather, it was we, the law-abiding, who backed up each time, grumbling.

These are collectivists. They do not hear you grumble. They do not, it is apparent after the past year of town halls and Tea Parties and nose-diving opinion polls, hear you SHOUT. They certainly do not hear the soft "snik-snik" of cleaning rods being used on millions of rifle barrels in this country by people who have decided that their backs are to the wall, politics and the courts no longer are sufficient to the task of defending their liberties, and they must make their own arrangements.

The Imperial Democrats do not care what you think. They will not hear you. They are every bit as arrogant and isolated as King George the Third was from the liberty-loving American colonists in 1775.

And yet, if we are to avoid civil war, we must get their attention BEFORE the IRS thug parties descend upon us each in turn -- when we will be forced into dozens of defensive slaughters and then, to end it, forced yet again to call Pelosi and the other architects of this war upon their own people to final account.

We are the law-abiding of this country, yes. We always have been. But when the "law" is distorted and twisted into an unconstitutional means of oppression, backed by the entire weight of the federal Leviathan, it is not "law" at all, but mere illegitimate force.

John Locke said it best:

"Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience."

When the law becomes a deadly tool of tyranny, it is no longer a good thing to be obedient and "law-abiding." It is, in fact, suicidal.

Yet, given the federal mandarins' willful ignorance of our very existence and conviction that we have no opinions that they are bound to respect, is there anything that can be done to prevent civil war?

Yes, there is.

We can emulate the Sons of Liberty of old.

We can break their windows.

These windows are not far away from where you are reading this right now. In virtually every city and county in this land, there is a local headquarters of Pelosi's party -- the Democrat party. These headquarters invariably have windows. When the Sons of Liberty wanted to express their opposition to the actions of the King's ministers, they would gather in front of the homes and offices of his tax-collectors and government officials in Boston or New York and break their windows. Glass was expensive. The King's minions were often the most well-to-do. The Sons of Liberty hit them in their pocketbooks.

Most importantly, however, was the message to the royal functionaries that there are personal consequences for oppressing your fellow citizens. The King is far away, and you are here, among us, the people.

This is the message that modern Sons of Liberty should get across to the Royalists of today. Now. Before we have to resort to rifles to resist their "well intentioned" tyranny.

This is not to say that the GOP (I refuse to call them "Republicans" for that is a misuse of the word) does not bear a large measure of responsibility for the situation we find ourselves in today. However, they have opposed this Intolerable Act. Yet, if we do a thorough job of breaking Democrat windows, I am sure that the GOP will profit from the example.

So, if you wish to send a message that Pelosi and her party cannot fail to hear, break their windows.

Break them NOW.

Break them and run to break again. Break them under cover of night. Break them in broad daylight. Break them and await arrest in willful, principled civil disobedience. Break them with rocks. Break them with slingshots. Break them with baseball bats.

But BREAK THEM.

The time has come to take your life, your liberty and that of your children and grandchildren into your own two hands and ACT.

It is, after all, more humane than shooting them in self defense.

And if we do a proper job, if we break the windows of hundreds, thousands, of Democrat party headquarters across this country, we might just wake up enough of them to make defending ourselves at the muzzle of a rifle unnecessary.

Sons of Liberty, this is your time.

Break their windows.

Break them NOW.

And Nancy, if this be sedition, if this be treason in your eyes, then make the most of it.

Mike Vanderboegh
PO Box 926
Pinson, AL 35126
GeorgeMason1776@aol.com
http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com
 

clang1

(884 posts)
2. re: Rachel did the best job of explaining Fast and Furious tonight
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 01:20 AM
Jun 2012

I don't get how your link ties into F&F but I should see what Rachel has to say. The link is scary. I did not know they are attacking Democrats like this. I wonder if Rep. Green knows this. I am sure there is a cross hiding in there somewhere with these militia fucks.

proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
3. The connection is that the same guy who encouraged the window breaking
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 01:44 AM
Jun 2012

Right after the health care bill passed, he moved onto this Fast and Furious nonsense. He was the first guy to bring it up and connect the ATF sending guns into Mexico to Obama wants to take guns away.

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
5. Don't get it. Why would the ATF sending guns result in Obama taking guns?
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 01:47 AM
Jun 2012

Is it supposed to make sense or is this guy super crazy so we aren't supposed to get it?

dsc

(52,162 posts)
7. His theory is that by selling the arms to Mexico we would cause shootings that would outrage the
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 02:11 AM
Jun 2012

public thus leading to calls to curb gun rights.

 

MrModerate

(9,753 posts)
9. Interesting . . .
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 02:27 AM
Jun 2012

I thought we already had plenty of senseless killings. If the nation was going to rise up in opposition to citizens being armed to to the teeth, it would have done so already.

I mean, if Columbine didn't do it, nothing will.

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
11. That's a pretty far stretch.
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 02:34 AM
Jun 2012

You would have to be pretty paranoid about having your guns taken to swallow that one.

 

gregoire

(192 posts)
15. Even more outrageous is how the gun dealers love to give guns to gang members...
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 03:10 AM
Jun 2012

That's the fact we all should take from this. It should be used as a reason for closing all but a very fun gun shops. I think it was very wise of the ATF to not quickly end this demonstration of just how dangerous gun dealers are to the public.

 

clang1

(884 posts)
6. re: The connection is that the same guy who encouraged the window breaking
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 01:59 AM
Jun 2012

What the,, huh? People have known about F&F before that guy. I'll watch the vid. Would you mind posting a link please? Thank you.

Guess no link. No problem.

Viking12

(6,012 posts)
20. ..but no one claimed that F&F was a secret plot to take away everyone's guns before this nutbag did
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 09:12 AM
Jun 2012

Now this nutbag's paranoid conspiracy theory is a central theme in the Republican witch hunt.

Iwillnevergiveup

(9,298 posts)
10. From the article at Crooks & Liars
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 02:34 AM
Jun 2012

Click on the "Report Abuse" link at the top of that blog

UnixPimp — 3/23/10 12:23pm



Click on the link for the "Sipsey Street Irregulars" in this article, and then click on the "Report Abuse" link at the top of that blog.
This will report to Google that the blog is abusing Google's term of service. I personally picked "Violence" as the type of abuse, since this blog is promoting acts of violence towards Democrats.

Google is a private corporation with their own terms of service, and these clowns have no "1st Amendment" "super duper patriot" rights to violate Google's terms of service.

Iwillnevergiveup

(9,298 posts)
13. This is a caption
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 02:46 AM
Jun 2012

appearing under a photo of Gibbs, McDonough and their (very young) children on this fool's website. Please hit the "Report Abuse" button - only takes a couple of seconds.



Robert Gibbs, Denis McDonough and children walk across the South Lawn of the White House to Marine One on 12 September 2009 in Washington, DC to accompany the President to a health insurance reform rally in Minneapolis.

marlakay

(11,476 posts)
17. In my small town in WA mountains
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 03:47 AM
Jun 2012

Red city with gun shop, they sold out right after Obama won by telling people he would take them all away.

ananda

(28,866 posts)
18. Rachel's best remark at the end of the piece..
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 03:49 AM
Jun 2012

.. was that this probably serves as a giant smokescreen shielding
the Reeps from the real serious issues of the day.

In my opinion, this would be the Reep obstructionism of serious
policies and actions that would address our social and economic
concerns... and the real problem with military aggression along
with the use of drones and spying.

Yes, this stuff started with Bushinc, but it's continuing under
Obama and we need to be able to focus on serious issues without
all the NRA gun nut craziness smoking everything up.

 

clang1

(884 posts)
19. Mexico Ambassador Arturo Sarukhan Says U.S. Guns Fuel Violence, Denies Mexico Is Infringing Upon Gun
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 04:11 AM
Jun 2012

Ah here we are:

Mexico Ambassador Arturo Sarukhan Says U.S. Guns Fuel Violence, Denies Mexico Is Infringing Upon Gun Rights

http://www.mexdrugcartels.com/2012/06/mexico-ambassador-arturo-sarukhan-says.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/01/mexico-guns-arturo-sarukhan-us-weapons-mexico-violence-gun-rights_n_1563250.html?ref=mostpopular

"There is an 'urban myth' out there that somehow the Mexican government is seeking to lobby against and destroy the rights enshrined in the Second Amendment," Sarukhan said. "This is gobbledygook. I am sure is that the founding fathers did not intend for international organized crime to source weapons in the U.S."

Now I see why the wackos are coming out of the woodwork on this one.

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