Joe the Plumber: Bible More Accurate Than Science Books Because It’s Never Been Revised

[pokerfan]

Wurzelbacher explained how his pastor, who seems to believe that faith and science are incompatible, noted that while science textbooks have several new editions, the Bible has never been revised. ”Revision Seven.’ He said, ‘now look at the Bible, what does it say’? I said, ‘Holy Bible.’ He said, ‘see any revisions on it Joe’? I said, ‘no.’ He said, ‘the reason why is because this is God’s word…man’s always looking for an answer, that’s why it’s revised.”

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/40510_Joe_the_Plumber-_Bible_More_Accurate_Than_Science_Books_Because_Its_Never_Been_Revised

[clang1]

1. re: Joe the Plumber: Bible More Accurate Than Science Books Because It’s Never Been Revised

They are even liars about the bible. How to fight that?

[krkaufman]

175. not necessarily "liars"

> They are even liars about the bible. How to fight that?

Trouble is, they're not necessarily liars. They *really* are that uninformed, stupid, and, sadly, willfully ignorant.

[elleng]

2. Logical, right???

Who WROTE the Bible????

[clang1]

18. re: Logical, right???

I think to them, it fell out of the sky. Rather like a coke bottle, eh.

[EOTE]

61. I so love that movie!

Thanks for reminding me about it, I probably haven't seen it in decades.

[clang1]

167. re: I so love that movie!

Thanks

[lob1]

3. How about the King James "Version"?

[pokerfan]

13. and

American Standard Version, English Standard Version, King James Version, New American Standard, New International Version, New King James Version, New Living Translation, New Revised Standard, Revised Standard Version, etc.

[HiPointDem]

24. not to mention the various ecclesiastical councils that decided what should be in the bible --

putting in and taking out books in different periods.

The Old Testament is the first section of the two-part Christian Biblical canon, which includes the books of the Hebrew Bible or protocanon and in some Christian denominations also includes several Deuterocanonical books or Biblical apocrypha.

Martin Luther, holding to Jewish and other ancient precedent, excluded the deuterocanonical books from the Old Testament of his translation of the Bible, referred to as Luther's canon, placing them in a section he labeled "Apocrypha" (not equal to Scripture but edifying), thus dissenting from the canon which Trent would affirm in the year Luther died (1546).

Other churches also differed on the canonicity of certain books, and as a result, Orthodox Christians, Catholics and Protestants use different canons which differ with respect to the texts which are included in the Old Testament and with respect to the Antilegomena of the New Testament...

The differences between the Hebrew Bible and other versions of the Old Testament such as the Samaritan Pentateuch, the Syriac, Latin, Greek, Ge'ez and other canons, are more substantial. Many of these canons include books and even sections of books that the others do not. For a fuller discussion of these differences, see Books of the Bible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_the_Old_Testament_canon

[clang1]

31. revisions

What about further back than that even. Are there not some books in the bible for which there have been multiple versions found? Or portions of?

[pokerfan]

37. oh yeah, that was just for starters

[dixiegrrrrl]

91. Thanks for that graphic.

[clang1]

165. +1 n/t

[Jim Lane]

121. Question about Christianity (nothing to do with Joe the Plumber)

Thanks for that interesting chart. Where would the LDS Church fit in? Is it within the thick green line for Protestantism, or an offshoot of that line, or would it be on a separate line diverging in the 19th century from the red Western Rites line?

[Retrograde]

122. Splits off from Protestanism in the 19th century IMHO

If every sect were represented the green line would be rather fractally.

Theology aside, I find the LDS to have more in common with Catholicism that most Protestant sects: unified dogma, male-only priesthood, hierarchical structure, changes in doctrine coming about as revealed truth to the man on top.

[Jim Lane]

128. It's because of your point about unified dogma that I'm not sure about graphing the LDS Church.

Certainly the LDS Church follows the Reformation in rejecting the authority of the Pope, but it substitutes the authority of a Prophet who has a similar role. That's why I thought it might be more accurately graphed as a split from the red line. Besides the rejection of the Pope, did Mormon theology take anything from the Reformation?

[Retrograde]

148. They're hard to categorize

I'd argue that they're not technically Christian, as they don't subscribe to all the tenets of the Nicene Creed (the belief that Jesus was once just a man, and that men can become gods, for example), but for the most part they come out of US Protestantism, with liberal doses of Freemasonry and early 19th century pseudo-archeology. There were a lot of similar cults in upstate New York during the Great Awakening, but for some reason this is the one that thrived, something I attribute to able and charismatic leaders. They're one of a kind.

I'm not an expert on Mormon theology, just someone with an interest in American history. Catholic theology, though - I suppose 12 years in Catholic school counts for something.

[Jim Lane]

172. You're probably the first person to mention the Nicene Creed in a thread about Joe the Plumber.

I'll bet that Joe, newly in the public eye as an expert on Christianity, couldn't tell us a thing about the Nicene Creed.

What prompted the calling of the First Council of Nicaea was the dispute over the nature of Jesus. This is considered a disagreement within Christianity. By your definition, however, the Arians weren't Christians. I don't think you can retroactively deem them to be non-Christians just because their side got stomped at the Council.

I'm also no expert on Mormon theology. For what it's worth, my understanding is that the LDS Church maintains that salvation comes only through Jesus. That qualifies them under my definition of Christianity.

[clang1]

169. re: oh yeah, that was just for starters

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What about American Christians? From what I understand they are a sect of the Catholic Church.

What do you think about the Baptists not calling themselves Christians? Where do they fit into the timeline?

[JDPriestly]

42. And then there are the Gnostic Gospels and the simple but often forgotten

fact that Paul just kind of invented his own version of Christianity. He may have known people who actually knew Jesus during Jesus' short life, but Paul never spoke to Jesus. He may have spoken to Jesus' spiritual presence, but certainly not to the man himself while he walked the Earth.

And then, of course, some of the books of the Old Testament are clearly simply literature, good literature maybe, but just good stories. The Song of Solomon????

Here is Wikipedia on the history of the Bible. Prior to the printing press, manuscripts were copied by hand and, of course, subject to potential alterations with each copy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_history

Few Americans read Hebrew or Greek. We generally don't even read Latin. I would bet that Joe the Plumber reads one of the English versions of the Bible: King James Bible, New Revised Standard or one of the others. Special revisions for those of us who read the Bible in English.

[lob1]

46. And don't forget the more recent "Bible for Dummies".

[JHB]

56. Would that be "paraphrased bibles"?

Ones which take "inspired" (but old) translations like the KJV and "paraphrase" (don't say translate!) them into "contemporary English".

Because that's holy and revealed by God, not like the people go back to the oldest writings they can and "find something new". They obviously have an agenda, because catering to modern perceptions is the devil's work. And paraphrasing isn't catering. Really.

[Blanks]

143. Faith and history are also incompatible n/t

[sarge43]

51. The bible starts with a revision.

The two versions of creation -- the order in which creation took place and the creation of humanity. Was man and woman created together in god's image or was woman created from man's rib?

[Xyzse]

71. I love that picture

I don't know any one else who could pull that off as well as this guy.

[sarge43]

188. The "When you were born, the doc slapped your mother, right?" look.

Tommy Lee has it down to an art form.

[Xyzse]

190. LOL

Yes!

[smirkymonkey]

132. Winner - that just says for me exactly what I wanted to express but

couldn't find the words.

[aquart]

147. The created from a rib bit is a Sumerian pun.

Genesis is lousy with them.

[pokerfan]

159. That's a good point

Now I was happy to see that the Old Testament starts out with two conflicting stories about the origin of the universe: one where Adam and Eve are created at the exact same moment. And then a second creation story in chapter two, where Adam is created first and then Eve is created out of his rib after he gets lonely. And I thought, "Wow! For all those people who believe in the inerrancy of the Bible, or that every single word of the Bible is true, I mean, they can't even have read the first two chapters of the Bible." - Julia Sweeney, Letting Go of God

[teamster633]

178. Letting Go Of God is such an awesome piece.

I wonder if my old link to it still works?

[sarge43]

189. At least before running mouth about it, minimum read the first couple of chapters of that book. n/t

[freshwest]

36. Ure jus makin dat up, u commie pinko liar!

So baggers speek lolzcatz.

Hoo knew?

[steve2470]

4. Ignorance and stupidity, all personified in one man

I'm sure he's proud of it, too.

[clang1]

6. re: Ignorance and stupidity, all personified in one man

Our country is fucking infested with Snake Oil salesmen. At all levels of society.

[cthulu2016]

5. That's beautiful... it suggests a contest

How many different ways is that wrong?

[ThoughtCriminal]

9. The beauty is in the remarkable

high ratio of (Things Wrong/Number of words).

[EFerrari]

23. There's a whole blog in that idea.

[Posteritatis]

130. It is wrong on all of the levels, which are themselves also wrong. It is fractally wrong. (nt)

[DFW]

7. Wurzelbacher is full of surprrises

He can read Aramaic, Hebrew and Ancient Greek?

Who knew?

[sarisataka]

21. I know I had a tough time

Learning all those languages so I could read the original texts.
I don't believe in the Ten Commandments yet but I have some good leads on the Ark of the Covenant...

[chemenger]

96. Just don't open it!

[sarisataka]

124. I think I'll be ok

I gave up being a Nazi for Lent.

[DFW]

136. What is Indiana Jones doing posting here? n/t

[ThoughtCriminal]

8. Yes, it seems incredible - but there are Republicans

who just might be dumber than Sarah Palin.

[Blue Owl]

10. The Lord commands thee to return to plumbing and be silent

n/t

[alcibiades_mystery]

14. ROFL

[clang1]

15. re: The Lord commands thee to return to plumbing and be silent

lol

[Warren DeMontague]

49. Dude wasn't even an actual plumber, though

And little wonder. Prayer isn't going to get the shit out of a clogged drainpipe.

[Behind the Aegis]

11. ....

[patrice]

12. Oh, Jesus!

[NC_Nurse]

16. Wow. Why does anyone give that loser the time of day?

[mindwalker_i]

17. Thing is, he probably knows how stupid that is

He knows his target audience, just like Rush and a lot of Republicans. They know they're full of shit, but their followers believe it. the importance of truth, accuracy, and logic depend on what one's goals are. When people don't pay attention to those and want their leaders to say things that reinforce the people's ideologies, truth, accuracy, and logic are actually bad things.

[clang1]

20. re: Thing is, he probably knows how stupid that is

Ding ding ding. Hell yes they know they spout nothing but filth and drivel.

[EFerrari]

19. LMAO

[appleannie1]

22. It has been revised countless times. Where the heck has he been? Every generation revises

the Bible to make it "easier" to read. That is why the meanings have been changed to fit what people people believe in whatever time frame they live.

[Angry Dragon]

25. I do believe the republicans have a contest to find

the biggest idiot in the country

Joe is in the running

[LuckyLib]

146. It's such a massive contest it will be difficult to determine a winner.

Entrants from every corner of the country.

[Marr]

26. And the moon is more important than the sun because

it gives us light at night, when it would be dark otherwise. The sun only shines during the day, when the world is already well-lit.

[TrogL]

119. Stop that

You're making my head hurt

[Ilsa]

134. OMG. That's a keeper! nt

[RainDog]

27. these people get paid good salaries to say that crap, too n/t

[clang1]

30. re: these people get paid good salaries to say that crap, too n/t

Isn't it sickening.

[Scootaloo]

28. "Explains how his pastor..."

If i wanted Jobless Joe's pastor's opinion, I would ask him for it.

Come to think about it, I didn't ask for Jobless Joe's opinion, either; why am I receiving it?

[KansDem]

84. Funny how they just keep shoveling this shit at us

One of their resident wuckfits makes an inane comment and it's all over the news for days. It's like they just sit and utter some nonsense, then the media goes apeshit and it becomes "news."

Then when that "story" dies down, another wuckfit makes another stupid remark and the pattern is repeated...over and over.

I suppose the question is, "How does one become a resident wuckfit and make big bucks?"

[Blanks]

145. If you figure it out.

Please let me know.

[wordpix]

100. religion, pro-life, etc. are all a smokescreen to get the real agenda through: corporatocracy

with unlimited guns to protect them.

The repukes are very good at hiding their real agenda and even get the poor to join them, riling them up with anti-health care, anti-gay marriage, anti-abortion & contraceptives, family values rhetoric.

Actually, I think many repug leaders are gay - McConnell, Lindsay Graham, Jeff Sessions, David Dreier all come to mind, so why is the party so against gay marriage? And how many repugs have helped their girlfriends get abortions? I'm guessing quite a few. So all these issues are sideshows to detract from the main event: corporate takeover of US without restrictions or regulations, and with a sea of guns in the hands of those who are easily manipulated.

[Scootaloo]

135. Actually, very limited guns

Here's a funny fact about the 2nd amendment.

It's the only portion of the bill of rights that is largely unavailable to the poor - except in so much that an aggressively-wielded bottle of Worcestershire sauce could count as "arms."

How do you think Republicans would vote on a bill that would provide a gun and standard training to any comer, in a manner similar to Switzerland's policy?

[Downtown Hound]

29. Hey, Joe the Plumber

There's a big piece of shit where your brain is supposed to be that's clogging up your whole system. Be a good plumber and clean it out.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

32. What a moron.

There is a version called the New REVISED Standard Version.

[TrogL]

120. That's actually One of the better translations

His lot prefer the New Interational Version. Note "new" and "version". It's not pretty.

[fishwax]

33. wow.

[agent46]

34. I'm convinced this isn't stupidity

It is seriously an alternate reality. This is America now. Which means we're on our own.

Think I'll have another beer.

[MindMover]

35. Make mine an Orval.....

The bible or holy bible has been translated, revised, and interpreted hundreds of times, if not thousands....and there really is not a complete bible today because of all the redaction's, revisions, and other changes made over the centuries....

and I should know, I went to bible school in college......

[HeiressofBickworth]

40. It is abundantly obvious

that HIS pastor got his "degree" from one of those mail-in colleges for he apparently doesn't know the history of the very book he is using to instruct his flock. It is once again a fascinating thing to behold how the righties can use each side of their brain to come to very different conclusions that bear no resemblance to facts. I never went to bible school, I'm not even a christian and I know more about the bible than some of these brain-dead idiots.

[agent46]

45. All we really have now

is the "idea" of the bible. Nobody actually reads it anymore, let alone studies it like you did. Makes it so much easier to use for political purposes.

Maybe in some twisted way, we deserve Joe the Plumber.

[BlueMTexpat]

38. This is another issue that I have with John McCain.

Not content with foisting Palin upon us, he initiated this idiot's seemingly endless 15 minutes of infamy.

[LeftishBrit]

39. The Holy Bible has never been revised?

So I suppose Joe the Plumber only reads the earliest available versions? Wow. I didn't know he could read both Hebrew and Greek!

[Octafish]

79. Coptic, too.

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl.html

[Donte Brown]

41. Spam deleted by OKNancy (MIR Team)

[Solly Mack]

43. I wonder who waters the pastor.

[ananda]

44. Ermm...

Revision is a good thing. It's how we correct mistakes.

That's why many scientific observations are called theories and not cemented facts, because the theory changes as new information becomes available.

Also, it's true that religion and its sacred texts is more fluid than concrete as well, changing many times over history. Not only that, but even that same religion takes on varying ideas and contexts depending on the time and the region. Take, for example, the Gnostic Gospels and varous sects that have a distinct eastern influence.

I often think that a good way to read sacred texts is to think of them as fiction in content and truth in wisdom as the reader takes it through his or her own mind and independent critical thinking and life experience. They have never been intended to serve as science texts, not then, not now.. but rather as a means to come at deep spiritual truths that can serve us in our own journeys toward enlightenment and evolution.

[deutsey]

63. "a means to come at deep spiritual truths"

[tex-wyo-dem]

171. Good analysis...

I absolutely agree with you.

The problem with many sects of modern Christianity as well as other religions is that their sacred texts are presented as literal facts (the absolute word of god that needs no interpretation) rather than fables rich in metaphor and anecdote that reqires the reader to think between the lines to truly get it.

The Bible has been translated and revised so many times over the history of its existence that it's difficult to say how much was lost in translation (either accidentally or purposefully) from the original texts. Not to mention parts that were just conveniently left out.

[wandy]

47. In right wing reality, when you are told to believe that god dictated.....

every word in the bible to hair cloth clothed monks, you will then want to believe that god dictated every word in the bible to hair cloth clothed monks.
And by these words it will be so.
Add the fact that science sometimes becomes a bit inconvenient and then naturally the bible is more accurate than science books because it’s never been revised.

Mark my words. At some point in time some great right wing leader will proclaimer that gravity is as false as global warming.
All of reality will change and we will begin to see religious right wing wackos jumping off roofs in an attempt to 'ascend'.

My my; do you think we could get Al Gore to give some talks about the dangers of gravity?

[sakabatou]

48. *bashes head in*

Then please, Joe, explain the diversity of versions? Also, you have no fucking clue about how science works.

[KG]

50. too stupid to see the science they don't believe in has basically created the modern world in which

they live...

[justiceischeap]

52. 1973 was the first year the word "Homosexual" appeared in the bible

not the King James version but the New International version. The reason I note this is because the original texts didn't actually have a word for homosexuality and repubs like to use the bible as a tool against my people. It's also a factual (I know, pesky little things repubs like to ignore) accounting of a revision.

I know repubs hate to be educated--they think it's all elitist and such--but according to the dictionary (pick your own version) this is the meaning of version:

A particular form of something differing in certain respects from an earlier form or other forms of the same type of thing.

[alphafemale]

53. These people plumb new depths of stupid every day. nt

[JHB]

54. Awww, lay off Comrade Joe, the Model Soviet Citizen

If a book does not say it was revised then it was never revised. Only a running dog out to destroy our beloved homeland would suggest otherwise.

Is obvious, nyet?

[lunatica]

55. Stupid has worked really well for Joe The Plumber

It must be work to come up with something so stupid that it out-stupids your last stupidity depths.

[Skinner]

57. The amazing thing is that he nailed the important difference...

...but came to precisely the wrong conclusion.

[malaise]

58. This moron is even dumber than I first thought

Shakes head

[CBHagman]

59. It's hard to decide what they're most ignorant of...

...history, language, theology, church politics.

[Lucy Goosey]

187. And don't forget science!

They're ignorant of that, too - not just of the specifics of various scientific theories/facts/phenomena, etc., but they don't really seem to know what science itself or the scientific method are.

[randr]

60. This guy is giving plumbers a bad name

[Island Blue]

62. By that logic we should all be crapping

in a hole in the back yard and Joe should be out of work. There is some science involved in the modern toilet.

[marmar]

64. He is dumber than a rusted drain pipe.

nt

[jtuck004]

105. And far less useful. n/t

[deutsey]

65. He's a political scientist who offers insightful analyses of socialism AND he's a biblical scholar

A real Renaissance man, he is.

[spanone]

66. back to plumbing dumbass

[wordpix]

101. he's not a plumber - he was unemployed but I don't know now...

[Rambis]

140. Joe the plumber- Not a joe, nor a plumber discuss

[FailureToCommunicate]

151. He's like butter...only... with ass crack showing

[Ikonoklast]

186. He's been plumbing the depths of dumbass ever since we were made aware of his existence.

The problem is, there is a bottomless pit of dumbass and Joe the Fake Plumber keeps mining it.

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

67. I'm a non-believer

i don't believe Joe even has a pastor.

[Arkana]

68. Is this idiot still flapping his yapper?

Someone needs to tell ol' Joe that the timer ran out on his 15 minutes 4 years ago.

[sinkingfeeling]

69. That's right Joe, your Bible is written on the original papyrus in

Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. It's never been touched by any human hand.

[bullwinkle428]

70. I think we can retire the title of "Dumbest Mofo to ever run for Congress".

[mulsh]

72. joe the fabrication is about as informed as I expected.

n/t

[JoePhilly]

73. He was hit with a ton of bricks alright.

[hifiguy]

74. The breathtaking stupidity of that assertion

leaves me speechless. Yowsers.

[Marrah_G]

75. SUch stunning ignorance should never be given air time except perhaps on the smoking gun....

[catbyte]

76. I hope Marcie Kaptur buries that bald-headed idiot in November

I'm overdosing on Stupid these days.

[Javaman]

77. We now live in the age of Stupidity for Profit. nt

[Autumn]

78. The fact is, that boy is dumber than a fucking rock

and there isn't any cure for that.

[rustydog]

80. Dear Gawd, does this man know how poorly he reflects plumbers?

Is this not a form of taking the Lord's name in vain? It isn't just cursing, right?

[4th law of robotics]

81. Er . . . huh

Don't know what to make of this.

[jwirr]

82. Never revised? There are dozens of versions and they do not all use the same meanings. He is an

idiot.

[Botany]

83. Joe the Plumber hasn't heard of the google?

[TBF]

95. Google? Science created Google.

Plumber Joe has no use for that ... it's the devil's work.

[LynneSin]

85. Here's Matthew 25:40 from 20 different bible versions

http://bible.cc/matthew/25-40.htm

What a fricking dumbass.

[dixiegrrrrl]

86. Stealing your marvelous graphic.

[herberto55]

87. Stupid Is As Stupid Does

Enough said.

[CJCRANE]

88. Tide goes in, tide goes out.

Never a miscommunication.

You can't explain that. You can't explain why the tide goes in.

[SCVDem]

89. Without honesty, there is no truth.

Teach it like it is!

[Hugabear]

90. What language is Joe the Plumber's Bible written in?

Unless it's in the original language, then it's been revised.

[CJCRANE]

92. It's in the original King James English

that God speaks.

[derby378]

103. Preacheth it, brother!

[hifiguy]

110. Hey, English was good enough for Jeebus.

Didn't Frothy say that?

[tclambert]

152. Pretty sure God speaks Old Gallifreyan.

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=old+high+gallifreyan+alphabet&hl=en&sa=X&rlz=1C1GGGE_enUS399&biw=1333&bih=674&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=DqhYc4m4vlZgNM:&imgrefurl=http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Gallifreyan_(language)&docid=rk8JK-Uw0IiT3M&imgurl=&w=946&h=532&ei=Q6TjT_6kF4jA8ASS1ezcCQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=525&vpy=169&dur=3354&hovh=168&hovw=300&tx=117&ty=101&sig=102739390597699280829&page=1&tbnh=116&tbnw=207&start=0&ndsp=19&ved=1t:429,r:2,s:0,i:80

[wordpix]

93. Stupid should explain: Bible More Accurate Than the Constitution Because It’s Never Been Revised

Maybe he'll pause for brief thinking on that one.

[Odin2005]

94. Sam the Moron just proved my hypothesis for why these morons hate science.

They are unable to comprehend that all scientific knowledge is provisional and subject to falsification. A science-based worldview in incompatible with the notion of "Absolute Truth", and Authoritarian personalities need "Absolute Truth".

[Initech]

97. What is he smoking and where might I obtain some???

[Liberalman777]

98. Joe needs to Watch the History Channel and It's Shows about the Bible

They show where and when the Bible was revised..Things Like When the concept of Hell originally was a temporary state and then over the centuries was "Made" Permanent . Hell wasn't even in the original Bible and not placed there until the 2nd century.

[Suji to Seoul]

99. He said, ‘see any revisions on it Joe’? I said, ‘no.’

I guess that New Testament is just a work-in-progress, right, Joey!?!?!

Fuckstick!

[tsuki]

102. It was revised everytime a monk hand copied it. nt

[progressoid]

104. joe...

[Zoeisright]

106. Oh my god, he's even more fucking stupid than I thought.

He should be required to repeat grades 1-6.

[benld74]

107. Bu,,,? Wha,,,? Ho,,,? Wh,,,? (@#%(*@#R(*U@(F*@#(*R@#*J#(U#)@(U

[nadinbrzezinski]

108. Err, don't know what to do with this one

laugh, cry... what.

JOE, here is a little thing you obviously do not know... not only has it been revised, not once, not twice, but several times.

Oy vey shmeer!

[JonLP24]

109. OMG

The fact that science is constantly changing indicates it is accurate. What he is saying if science stuck to it's original theories that would prove science is accurate.

[whopis01]

111. If the bible had problems at the end of each chapter, the publishers would revise it every year

just so you had to keep buying new ones so that you could do your homework assignments properly.

[Crowman1979]

112. What the...been hundreds of...where the.........?!?!?!?

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!

[Crowman1979]

113. Well its official! Joe the Dumber is a Troll!

[shanti]

114. DERP

[librechik]

115. I really mourn for the average knowledge bank of Americans

the lack of education is serving the Republicans who advocate it very well.

[clang1]

174. re: the lack of education is serving the Republicans who advocate it very well.

Isn't it though.

[sulphurdunn]

116. Demagogues

from Adolf Hitler to Henry Kissinger have made it clear that for most people their perception of what is true is far more important than what actually is true.

[Fire Walk With Me]

117. Bible? Never been revised?

[muriel_volestrangler]

118. Imagine you're Steve Kraus, and you lost a primary to this idiot

How fucking low must your self-esteem be now? How much must you feel that your fellow Republicans despise you, that they'd choose a moron over you as their candidate?

[JNelson6563]

123. Where I come from we call this: A Special Kind of Stupid.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

125. It's fun to point and laugh at wingnuts like we do with zoo animals

They seem almost human.

[Taverner]

127. Problem is we don't have the wingnuts in cages

So they can't hurt anyone

I'm all for locking wingnuts in cages!!!!

[Taverner]

126. Um, the bible has been revised COUNTLESS times!

And - fuck - I can't even argue with this kind of stupid

[Posteritatis]

129. Council of Nicaea for you on line one, Joe. (nt)

[MineralMan]

131. But wait...I have a Revised Standard Version

of The Bible, right next to my King James version and two books away from my Jefferson Bible.

Hasn't been revised, eh? You betcha, Joe!

[neeksgeek]

133. Oh, please!

The Bible has most certainly been revised. There are many versions (go into any secular bookstore and compare them). There are books that were left out. It's been translated into God knows how many languages. To claim that it is unchanged from the time of the original stories is just ignorant, whether you believe that it is ultimately "God's Word" or just a book.

Jesus and his disciples did not go around the Holy Land carrying copies of the New International Version!

Scientists revise existing writings when new information comes to light. Religious zealots would rather ban books and place original thinkers under house arrest (if they're lucky). See Galileo.

[Dirty Socialist]

137. Never been Revised Because...

The Bible's followers are more hard-headed than other people.

[glinda]

138. ummmmm...what rhymes with "plumber"...

[backscatter712]

139. Just on my Nook or on my bookshelf, I count four separate versions of the Bible.

I have a copy of the King James version, the New International Version, the NET Bible and the New Revised Standard Version.

That's just in my personal possession. There are hundreds of versions of the Bible, just in English.

[obxhead]

141. I wonder if he's an Old Testement or a New Testement kind of guy?

[PatrynXX]

142. it's called faith but Joe decided

he's stupid. so depending on which version of the bible your reading.... let alone the new book is a revised version of the bible and that um that word shows up in certain version of the bible that guy would not be on any team fighting for the bible. he'd drop the ball a long ways back. (what is RSV??? ) go ahead joe say it??? personally I prefer the KJV not the NKJV

Most Lutherans use the NIV.

[hamsterjill]

144. Probably old news, but I just saw a bumper sticker

I'd not seen the bumper sticker before, and I just had to laugh. It read:

Joe-the-Plumber
Meet
Barack-the-President

[complain jane]

149. Screw him and the dinosaur he rode in on

[rateyes]

150. Three words

Revised Standard Version.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

153. Joe doesn't know which came first

The Old Testament or the New.

[tclambert]

154. The reason science is more accurate is precisely because it's been revised so many times.

The bible says the Sun goes around the Earth. And it says the value of Pi is 3.0 even. Can't fix it, 'cause they won't revise it.

Science used to say our galaxy was the only one. Then we found out some of those fuzzy patches in the sky were more galaxies. Update the books!

Science becomes more accurate through the process of stepwise refinement. Einstein's theory of gravity didn't refute nor replace Newton's. It added another level of precision.

[Nevernose]

155. Also says the Earth is flat.

And a few other "interesting" things.

[pokerfan]

160. Reminds me of an essay by Isaac Asimov

My answer to him was, "John, when people thought the earth was flat, they were wrong. When people thought the earth was spherical, they were wrong. But if you think that thinking the earth is spherical is just as wrong as thinking the earth is flat, then your view is wronger than both of them put together."

The basic trouble, you see, is that people think that "right" and "wrong" are absolute; that everything that isn't perfectly and completely right is totally and equally wrong.

However, I don't think that's so. It seems to me that right and wrong are fuzzy concepts, and I will devote this essay to an explanation of why I think so.

The Relativity of Wrong

[frogmarch]

156. I am not surprised he's that ignorant

[tanyev]

157. Ach, Gott im Himmel.

[Canuckistanian]

158. Oy, Hillbilly philosophy

My eyes aren't capable of rolling 360 degrees on this one....

[Brooklyn Dame]

161. OMG...This fool makes my arse itch.

WHY have his 15 minutes of fame been extended?!?

http://borderlessnewsandviews.com/2012/06/turn-the-screws-on-joe-the-plumber/

[barbtries]

162. he really is stupid, isn't he?

did i hear that he's running for public office? hope his would be constituents are running in the opposite direction.

[clang1]

176. re: hope his would be constituents are running in the opposite direction.

No. These are the type people that get elected to office in the climate in which we currently live.

[Historic NY]

163. OMG..........can we just euthanize the stupid....

perhaps with lightening bolts.

[Jerry Frey]

164. learn something new

The Bible is not the verbally inspired inerrant word of God. It was "revised" when the Epistle of Barnabas was removed and the Gospel of Peter was excluded. For POSITIVE Facts about Christianity, pls visit:

http://napoleonlive.info/judas-the-galilean/

Wurzelbacher is a dim bulb, lost like an atheist.

[MNBrewer]

166. I thought for sure this was an exaggeration... but nope...

he said it....

Get a Brain, Morans!

[Swede]

168. Joe,the shitter's plugged.

Come on over and snake it.

[RagAss]

170. When will this guy just go plunge a fucking turd?

[McCamy Taylor]

173. Yep, yep. Matthew and Moses speak and wrote English.

God, what an idiot.

[southerncrone]

177. And these stupid-ass MFers are running our lives!

PLEEEEEASE....let's institute a literacy/aptitude test to get a voter's registration!

And this ignoramus is running for US Congress. America drowns in a sea of stupidity......

[Clouseau2]

179. If ...

If you took Sarah Palin and gave her a sex change and a lobotomy, you'd end up with Joe the Plumber.

[jonthebru]

180. To quote the great English poet George Harrison

"Think for yourself because I won't be there with you."
This guy is a professional publicity seeker. Like the guy who wins hot dog eating contests...

[FedUpWithIt All]

181. ...

[rks306]

182. Really

This man is an IDIOT. Anyone that votes for him should lose their rights to be a citizen.

[Deep13]

183. What a fucking ignoramus. nt

[truth2power]

184. God Almighty!!! (You should excuse the expression)....

Revised Standard Version, anyone? There are just no words.

I used to be a member of a UU church (long story about that).

One time, a member of the UUA spoke at one of our services. She said:

God is one;
God is love;
And revelation is not sealed. (Uh...this last is a good thing as far as UU's are concerned.)

p.s. Great graphic, pokerfan.

[Tsiyu]

185. Wow. He must be a lousy plumber

No reading about modern plumbing techniques for Joe! Blasphemy!

All he can do is dig latrines and cisterns and pray over your problem.

No science. No siree. Jesus didn't have a toilet and he turned out great!

[lpbk2713]

191. He's going for ALL the dog whistles.

Isn't there a hymn that goes ... "Bringing in the sheep, bringing in the sheep" ?

Joe the Dumber, he's a laff riot.