Watch Bernie Sanders convince a Trump voter she voted for the wrong person in less than 2 minutes

[portlander23]

Watch Bernie Sanders convince a Trump voter she voted for the wrong person — in less than 2 minutes
Tom Boggoni
Raw Story

“Who’s paying for this? Who’s paying for the Medicaid? Who’s paying for the Social Security? Who’s paying for the Medicare? ” she asked rhetorically. “Now, have any of you seen down on the streets that it seems as though we have become the silent minority and not the majority?”
...

“Good point. Let’s see if we can go forward on this,” Sanders began. “I am assuming that you believe, correct me if I’m wrong, that we should not cut Social Security or Medicare or Medicaid. is that correct or not?”

‘Yeah, I believe they shouldn’t be cut.” Sparks replied.

“Do you know who is now working very hard to try to do that?” Sanders told her. “Republicans in Congress have a plan under the guise of saving Medicare and saving Social Security, making devastating cuts. That’s what the Republicans are now trying to do.”

“The other point that you made is, who is going to pay for this stuff?” he continued. “And that is a very fair point. What all of us should know is that over the last 25 years, there has been a massive transfer of wealth in this country from you to the top one-tenth of one percent. In other words, the middle class has shrunk and trillions of dollars have gone to the top one-tenth of one percent. Do you think it’s inappropriate to start asking those people to pay their fair share of taxes so we can adequately fund Medicaid and make public colleges and universities tuition-free. Is that an unfair thing to ask”

After a pause, Sparks replied, “I don’t think it’s an unfair thing to ask. They got rich off of us, so it’s time they put back.”

[safeinOhio]

1. While watching I saw one woman say

that we can't go to $15/hr for fast food workers because then hamburgers would cost her more. One of those trump supporters calling for high tariffs on goods. She is going to be real pissed when the dollar store becomes the 10 buck store and her iPhone cost a couple of grand.

[portlander23]

11. How much extra would a US-made iPhone cost? MIT has done the sums

How much extra would a US-made iPhone cost? MIT has done the sums …
Ben Lovejoy
9 to 5 Mac

Assembly, says the MIT Technology Review piece, is not a major part component of the cost of an iPhone. Apple doesn’t disclose the numbers, of course, but industry estimates place it in the $4-10 range.

Syracuse University professor Jason Dedrick has already estimated the additional cost of carrying out the assembly work in the USA, and says that it would add $30-40 to the cost of an iPhone – but not for the reason you might think.

That’s partly because labor costs are higher in the U.S., but mostly it’s because additional transportation and logistics expenses would arise from shipping parts, and not just the finished product, to the U.S. This means that assuming all other costs stayed the same, the final price of an iPhone 6s Plus might rise by about 5 percent.

So the bottom-line appears to be that assembly could be done in the U.S. if consumers were willing to pay an additional $30-40, rising to around an additional $100 if as many components as practical were manufactured here – but the impact on the job market isn’t likely to be significant.

[Wile E. Coli]

30. That massively understates the total cost

(Long-time lurker, first-time poster.)

Assembly and the components aren't a major factor in the price.

But a major factor that isn't in these calculations is that the US simply doesn't have the manufacturing capacity to deal with mass-market electronics like (for instance) China, Taiwan, South Korea, et al. iPhones and Androids: designed in the US, manufactured in Asia. Intel chips: designed in the US, manufactured in Asia. Apple chips: designed in the US, manufactured in Asia.

This isn't xenophobia, this is a simple fact. American companies can't move the fabrication of computers/smartphones/etc. to the US unless the manufacturing infrastructure already exists. And it simply doesn't.

[portlander23]

31. Or we could build it!

Isn't fostering investment in infrastructure like this exactly what the government should do?

[madokie]

35. The I-phone can still be built and sold to us at todays price

apple would have to take a cut in profits. Have any of you checked out how much profits apple makes. That should answer all questions on this

[portlander23]

37. How dare you suggest apple cut its margins!

[madokie]

39. I know

MyBad

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

42. How much does an iPhone cost if $100 is 5% of the total cost?

My little exercise in algebra here says $2,000. Good grief! No wonder I have zero interest in buying a smart phone. A dumb phone will continue to do me quite nicely, thank you very much.

[yardwork]

2. The woman is a racist who hates "the people on the streets."

She would vote for Trump over and over again because all she can see is her resentment of nonwhite people.

[C Moon]

67. Agreed

[baldguy]

3. No he didn't. He didn't follow through.

The GOP has supported that transfer of wealth, and want to continue it & expand on it. "That's all I'm saying" doesn't drive home the point.

[cwydro]

4. Why doesn't he point out that WE pay?!

WE pay for our ss and Medicare throughout our working lives!

[Dustlawyer]

10. That was pointed out.

[Vinca]

5. I love Bernie, but I couldn't watch. I was afraid I'd throw stuff at the television.

It's as if these people got caught up in a cult - the Trump cult - and are very slowly being deprogrammed. Too late, people. You've totally fucked over the United States of America.

[Uponthegears]

7. Sounds like you're saying

we should have started earlier.

Some of us tried.

[Vinca]

12. That's not what I'm saying. I know people tried.

But, as Judge Judy would say, beauty fades but dumb is forever.

[LittleGirl]

14. You should have watched

there were many liberal thinkers in the audience. Watch the clips.

[barbtries]

23. it is a cult

it's a cult of personality.

[TCJ70]

9. For that crowd, he could rescue a baby from a burning building...

...and they'd say he only did it to sell a few books...

[LisaM]

13. I can't get the link to open...

Did she say at the end she would have actually changed her vote?

[trc]

18. no.

Just because facts were presented to her does not mean she will change her mind, and she did not indicate in this clip that she would. The most important part of the discussion was actually that 3 of the 4 repubs sitting on the stage believed that many of the things trump ran on were unconstitutional and he would never get them passed, and that he knew that. When Bernie pointed out that they then voted for a man who they knew was lying they all just sat there looking bewildered while the audience applauded. What they don't understand is there in no longer any check to be put on the republican power, they have all three branches and can change what they will and make that constitutional through the courts, a situation we have not seen since the 1920's...and that ended well.

[muntrv]

15. I turned it off after a half hour. Could not stand watching the delusion of many

of these Trumpanzees.

[Grins]

25. Trumpanzees! Stealing that

Love that!

[jack_krass]

16. Bernie would have destroyed trump. Its a shame things turned out how they did.

[LanternWaste]

19. Riiiight.

Riiiight.

[cwydro]

20. No.

He wouldn't have.

But he did a good number on Hillary.

[hueymahl]

22. Its one of those things we will never know

But I sure wish he had the chance!

[BainsBane]

65. He did have a chance

He couldn't convince nearly enough Democrats to vote for him in order to get to the GE.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

71. It's hard to win Democratic primaries without more support from African Americans.

http://africanamericanvoterrep.org/aavrep-poll/

Seventy-one percent (71%) of black voters indicate support for Hillary Clinton, compared to Bernie Sanders, who garners 16% of the vote.

From other studies, there's indication that many AA voters are more leery of politicians who dwell on income inequality because they've experienced it even when government programs of the past tried to alleviate it.

Racism also goes deeper than economics, of course.

[blue cat]

24. No

I don't think so. I voteed for him in the primary but I heard a lot of the same stuff about him that I heard about Clinton, like him being a career politician before he couldn't keep a job, etc.

[druidity33]

34. career politician? Really?

Dedicated public servant more likely. Look at what he did BEFORE he first ran for office... you know, organizing sit-ins, pick-up games at the local Y, protesting and marching, probably singing folk songs (badly and with a Brooklyn twang), where'd he go to school again? I don't know, who cares. Ugh.............. ...... . .

I think of what 'might' have been, i think sometimes i'm in a sci-fi novel with alternate reality implications where if i just do THIS, really Trump won't be the PEOTUS... it was just that i had to shake off that glamour i was under. I am sad lately, even a few of my most progressive friends are losing hope.

This is the guy we could've had, and this is why... (just watch how he deals with these crazy people[regular americans])

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/watch-bernie-sanders-convince-a-trump-voter-she-voted-for-the-wrong-person-in-less-than-2-minutes/

I repeat...

Ugh.............. ...... . .

[KittyWampus]

49. LOL! He never held a steady job until he was 40 and that was as a politician.

Being a politician is the only job he's every had.

Did he ever release his taxes?

Hmmm, what other candidate refused to release his taxes?

[The Wielding Truth]

68. Released Taxes April 2016. He has had jobs and a worth while career in public service.

http://www.motherjones.com/documents/2804313-Bernie-Sanders-Just-Released-His-Tax-Returns

Here's copy of Bernie's old resume. I would think that carpentry, youth counselor, Director of the American People's Historical Society and Free Lance Writer are all worthy jobs.
http://fusion.net/story/266885/bernie-sanders-resume-qualifications-experience/

[MADem]

69. Not the whole magilla. No 2015 forms were ever released, IIRC.

And no Schedules, either.


http://www.factcheck.org/2016/04/sanders-evades-tax-question/

We asked Michael Briggs, a Sanders campaign spokesman, twice about the senator’s tax returns and twice we got virtually the same response. “He released 2014 federal and state returns and will release 2015 returns after he files with the IRS,” Briggs said.
But Tapper’s question was about Sanders releasing his full returns, so Sanders and his spokesman are wrong to say that Sanders did release his tax returns.
As the Washington Post Fact Checker pointed out, the nonprofit Tax Analysts archives tax returns released by presidential candidates. In the 2016 field, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush was the most transparent, releasing 34 years of tax returns, from 1981 through 2014. The site also has 15 years of tax returns released by Hillary Clinton, dating to her race for Senate in 2000, plus another eight years that were released by her husband, Bill, when he was a presidential candidate and president.
Bush’s 2013 tax return, for example, is 62 pages long, and Clinton’s 2014 return is 44 pages. The two candidates released not only the 1040 two-page summary, but also Schedule A for itemized deductions, Schedule B for interest and dividends, and other forms that detail assets and income.
We asked the Sanders campaign twice if the senator, who has been in Congress since 1991, has released any tax information other than in 2014. We got no answer to that question.
But our fact-checking colleague at the Washington Post came across a 1996 news article about Sanders’ 1995 1040 form. The article, which appeared in a Vermont publication called Seven Days, was headlined “El Cheapo!” and focused on the $1,369 that Sanders donated to charity. The article also shows that Sanders reported a total income of $125,842, claimed $25,372 in itemized deductions and paid $19,563 in federal taxes.
In 2014, Sanders earned $205,617, claimed $56,377 in itemized deductions, and paid $27,653 in taxes. That’s an effective tax rate of 13.4 percent.
Sanders isn’t the only candidate to make public only his 1040 form. The Tax Analysts website shows only 1040 forms for Sen. Ted Cruz and Ohio Gov. John Kasich, and no tax information for Donald Trump, who has said he “can’t” release tax returns because he is under a federal audit. As we have written, there is no law prohibiting Trump from releasing his tax returns. Any taxpayer may authorize the public release of tax information by signing an IRS Form 8821.

He avoided releasing that last tax return, and never released it, despite promising to do it.

It could become an issue for him in 2018 if he is primaried (assuming he decides to run again for his Senate seat).

[Qutzupalotl]

28. He certainly would have appealed to these voters.

And he would have fought back more effectively than Clinton could. The right challenged Hillary's credibility like they did with Gore, making every statement out to be a lie. Bernie's forthrightness was his strength. His weakness, apparently, was somewhere in that pile of opposition research; likely his conscientious objector status or his visit to Russia (ironically enough).

[gratuitous]

38. Maybe . . .

But would the major media have covered it? Certainly Secretary Clinton made many telling points against Trump and his hare-brained, unworkable ideas. But was there any coverage? Was Trump called to account for the holes in his swiss cheese arguments? Did anyone hammer him on his nonsense, or was it all passed off with a sigh and a shrug before going on to the latest twitter tantrum?

I don't think Sanders would have gotten any more traction than Clinton did, and the blow-dried media millionaires who control our political discourse (such as it is) wouldn't have listened to Sanders any more than they did Clinton.

[lapucelle]

54. Kurt Eichenwald of Newsweek saw the opposition research on Sanders,

and he said it was devastating. "Environmental racist" billboards were ready to go. And of course, we don't know whether the Russians are holding any hacked documents from Bernie. It wouldn't surprise me if they had his and Trump's tax returns.

It's a shame Sanders didn't "convince" this woman before the election.

http://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044

[think]

17. Gettiing her too say the very rich should pay more taxes to pay for needed social change

is a great start.....

[Loki]

21. And yet they continue to return the swamp monsters to the swamp.

You can't fix stupid, even with facts. Poor little things, they are hurting because they have Republican governors, legislatures, Senators and Representatives that continue to vote against all the things that would help them. The crazy assed woman who thinks that immigrants are taking all the jobs, let her work at McDonalds's for minimum wage, or cleaning hotels, or picking produce, or in a restaurant. I'm out of fucks to give for these people.

[Fast Walker 52]

41. yep

[gordianot]

26. Sanders shook the Trump voters but how do you fix them under less than an hour?

I am certain that they have all heard Sanders arguments many times after the election. They wanted to be heard and Sanders listened. It all comes down to fact they elected a despot who never intended to serve the working class just the Billionaires and poor Millionaires. Like the cartoon "I will eat you" and Khrushchev's promise "I will bury you" are being realized.

[Jean-Jacques Roussea]

27. Wow maybe he should've campaigned a little more enthusiastically for Hillary ya think? :

[demmiblue]

29. K&R

[Joe941]

32. Bernie for 2020!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

33. So why couldn't he do this before the election ?

He was out campaigning for her, right? Why couldn't he do this a few months ago?

[killbotfactory]

36. I imagine he coordinated his efforts with Clinton

Why didn't Clinton campaign more in the rust belt states?

Remember when we all laughed at Romney for believing his internal poll numbers?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

40. he was in the rust belt campaigning for her. if he was so magical

why was he not able to sway more people?

is it possible, that they are not having buyers regret because he is making decisions that do not seem to be draining the swamp, hence they are more receptive now than they were in October. Or that this is a self selected crowd who came out to hear him and are therefore more open than others were.

[Barack_America]

44. Some things are too broken to fix.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

52. Lol. Yeah the woman who is 2.7 millions votes ahead

Is clearly too broke to fix

[Barack_America]

53. With working class whites in the Rust Belt...

...I,e. The topic of this thread...yes.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

55. All he needed to do per this thread was to turn them off trump

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

43. Yeah, I keep on forgetting that he's the only reason she lost the election.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

51. No he's not. But he's also not as magical as some seem to think

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

56. Gosh. According a lot of folks here

he's the reason she lost.

Of course, her supporters keep on conveniently forgetting that all the way through the primary season all the polling showed that Sanders would beat Trump, while Clinton would lose to him.

[Charles Bukowski]

64. The polls had her beating Trump

With two very brief exceptions:

-After he clinched the nomination
-post convention bounce.

Of Bernie couldn't beat Hillary, what makes you think he could beat Trump?

[Hassin Bin Sober]

66. He wouldn't have that "nothingburger" of a self inflicted scandal blow up...

... in his face a week before the election.

[KittyWampus]

48. Well, now he has a book to sell. And he still manages to stick it to the Democrats

while re-defining the term "political correctness" so it means offending rich people and not minorities.

[compsports]

70. Seems to be more important

As one who voted for Sanders in the primary, selling his book seems to be more important than speaking out about the Russian hacking and demanding that President Obama declassify and made available all relevant intelligence information to the public and electors before Monday.

[Raine]

45. I love Bernie! nt

[KittyWampus]

47. Why? He doesn't know what political correctness means.

[KittyWampus]

46. He didn't "convince" anyone. I watched the whole damned thing. He LIED about political correctness

or doesn't know what political correctness means...

and he didn't convince anyone of anything.

All you did was post what he said.

BIG DEAL.

That isn't convincing the FOX Zombies that were speaking.

[forjusticethunders]

62. I actually think it's actually a cute little bait and switch.

Dishonest but kind of a brilliant gambit so to speak.

Use the "political correctness" buzzword to engage the white bigot lizard brain, then try to hijack that meaning with something else. So the next time someone uses the buzzword, instead of thinking of minorities and LGBT people, they think of Rex Tillerson and Lloyd Blankfein.

It won't work, you can't deprogram them that quickly, but it's an explanation. Bernie clearly thinks he's some kind of WWC-whisperer that can finally get them to start voting in their interests, and hey, it's really his only card to play because he doesn't understand intersectionality, so might as well double down.

[Skidmore]

72. That's how I saw it.

The woman did not appear to be convinced at all. His tortured mangling of "political correctness" left me cold and reinforced my reasons for not voting for hi,.

[jalan48]

50. Like Obama, Bernie is a great speaker. I would have loved to see him debate Trump.

He would have cut him to ribbons.

[sheshe2]

57. seriously?

[jalan48]

58. Absolutely

It's one of the reasons the Democratic Party chose him as their knew Outreach Chair. His ability to connect with voters will help re-energize the base. We had too many Democrats not show up to vote this time around. Bernie has the ability to get people excited about the issues as was shown by the turnouts at his rallies and his grass roots fund raising (($27 donations).

[sheshe2]

59. Okie Dokie.

If he had that ability, why did he lose the primary by such a large margin?

[jalan48]

60. Here's what Chuck Schumer said about it..

“We needed a much stronger, sharper, bolder economic message,” Schumer said, looking back at the election, “and we needed to let the American people know we understand what they all believe: that the system isn’t working for them, and we’re going to change it.” -- Time Magazine Nov. 16, 2016

The primary is over and we need to move forward. Bernie will help the Democrats and the Party leadership recognizes it.

[sheshe2]

63. Aaaah....K

[KittyWampus]

61. LOL! maybe he's bring up Trump's taxes...

Oh, nevermind.