During anti-Muslim hearing, Dem calls for ‘hearing on the radicalization of Christians’

[kpete]

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During a Wednesday House Homeland Security Committee hearing on “The Radicalization of Muslim-Americans,” Green wondered why the chairman had only focused on one religion.

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“I don’t think that most people oppose hearings on radicalization,” the congressman explained. “I do not, not — N-O-T — oppose hearings on radicalization. I do oppose hearings that don’t focus on the entirety of radicalization. And if you agree that we have Christians, as has been mentioned by more than one member, Christians who become radicalized, they become part of Islam and they become radicalized as is being said, why not have a hearing on the radicalization of Christians?”

He added: “I do think that it is a problem of perception. People who see the hearings and never hear about the hearing on the radicalization of Christianity have to ask themselves, ‘Why is this missing?’ Why don’t we go to the next step and ask, how is that a blue-eyed, blonde-haired, white female in the United States of America can become radicalized to the point of wanting to do harm to this country? We don’t have that type of hearing. That’s the problem.”

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“I do know what it feels like to look like a Muslim in the minds of some people and to be demeaned in a public venue,” he said. “I look forward to the day that we’ll have that hearing that deals with the radicalization of Christians in America.”

Video & more:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/06/20/during-anti-muslim-hearing-dem-calls-for-hearing-on-the-radicalization-of-christians/

[handmade34]

1. excellent

many can't see the forest for the trees

[Solly Mack]

2. k/r

[mmonk]

3. Cajones finally.

[clang1]

5. re: Sorry, but this is a crock

Agree but not that it is a crock. There is the same filth on the Christian side as well. They just have not had the opportunity yet. It is not a crock at all.

We live with low intensity bullshit everyday here from the 'Christian' wackos. We also live with the violence that they support.

[badtoworse]

6. Get back to me when they start flying airplanes into buildings or beheading people.

[clang1]

11. re: Get back to me when they start flying airplanes into buildings or beheading people.

Dude you seem to make a distinction. I don't

[patrice]

26. Right on! That's precisely the assumption. Bookkeeping. Tally everything & add them all up

and a lesser total of dead is significantly "distinct" from higher total of dead, when the basic assumption that human life has value is as true for one person as it would be for thousands. If the premise, "The living have a right to live" is true for any one, then it is true for everyone, anything other than that is a privilege, not a right.

[Scurrilous]

16. "Get back to me when they start flying airplanes into buildings or beheading people."

Been reading any news out of Mexico lately?

[freshwest]

20. Or bombing abortion clinics? Or flying planes into IRS offices? Or blowing up federal buildings?

Or plotting to kill people like the militia in Alaska? Michigan? Or burning crosses? Or beating to death people they don't regard as straight? Or...

Sorry, but the list is too long and not pleasant reading. Surprising thing is, none of those domestic terrorists were Muslims. I'm for going after all of them, and if there's an agnostic, atheist, etc. inciting crimes of violence against others, haul their asses in, too.

While we're at it, let's discuss the fervor of Palin, Rush and Beck and the rest of them who have been calling for the death of liberals and Democrats. The room might get crowded, though.

[uppityperson]

19. Simply bombing and shooting doesn't count? O.K. Gotcha.

[jmowreader]

32. Google "George Tiller"

Christians bombed his clinic and murdered him while he was in church.

[Tigress DEM]

33. Tim McVeigh - Oaklahoma City 168 killed, 800+ injured

[Tigress DEM]

34. Jared Lee Loughner Tuscon - 6 dead, 14 injured

[marmar]

35. Or blowing up federal buildings?

[progressoid]

40. How about the Klan, or the Hutaree, or The Army of God, or the Lord's Resistance Army, etc. etc. etc

[LeftyMom]

8. Radical Christians trying to induce Armageddon killed 100,000+ people in the last decade alone.

They win.

[USD79]

10. I'm sorry, but I need to see your support for your allegation

I've never seen such a statement anywhere.

[clang1]

12. re: I'm sorry, but I need to see your support for your allegation

Read? Google? Library? Maybeee thu TeeVeee?

[LeftyMom]

15. You neglected to read a newspaper at any point during the Bush Administration?

Sarah Palin, is that you?!?!

[Tigress DEM]

36. I think it's just a bit "inclusive" for this crowd.

I understand the gist of your post. What people here are trying to do is throw specifics at this guy because he asked for it.

I think you're hearing an apples to apples not apples to oranges kind of response. Individual Christians being radicalized enough to go out and murder for their faith not faithless government leaders ordering whole sale slaughter in the name of helping the Iraqis.


Numbers like you've cited bring to mind Fallujah, Iraq a city of 200,000 - 300,000 was hit in April 2004 with tons of dirty bombs and people were shot if they tried to leave after a certain point and were left with a choice to simply lay down and die in their homes.

These kind of things done in Iraq could be under the category of trying to create Armagedon, but I would not call those perpetrating these crimes Christians at all - not even radical ones. I see politicians USING religion to justify the results but that's like blaming God because some nut job said "Jesus told me to kill that sinner."



BTW - How is Fallujah doing lately? Not so good cancer and birth defects - some that are so odd, they have never been seen before. Sigh.

The Fallujah tragedy: A war crime by any other name...
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Dr. Alani places the blame on depleted uranium (DU) munitions and white phosphorus, both of which the US used in its twin attacks on the city back in 2004 after local resistance fighters killed four American mercenaries operating in the city. The US attacks destroyed or damaged up to sixty percent of the city’s buildings, including 36,000 out of the city’s 50,000 homes, sixty schools, and sixty-five mosques and shrines. Over 6,000 residents were killed and a quarter of a million fled for their lives, many to squatter camps lacking basic services. 50,000 – mostly men and teenage boys, who were prohibited from leaving – remained in the city, where they were hit by depleted uranium munitions, white phosphorus, and cluster bombs, poisoning the local environment for years to come. This group supposedly included only 600 to 6,000 resistance fighters. According to the New York Times, the marines targeted the main hospital first “because the US military believed it was the source of rumors about heavy casualties.”

That was the part I read real time when it was happening. Kill the doctors for telling the truth about how many are being killed in this war. It was at that time we couldn't even get an honest count of how many soldiers had been killed, and they were hushing up civilian casualties like nobody's business.

Tig

[patrice]

23. CREW will supply you with documentation of the national religious leaders/lobbyists & how many times

each one visited the WH, from WH visitors' logs, in the months while Bush supposedly considered his decision about whether to invade and occupy an INNOCENT nation known as Iraq. Including close friends of Timothy LeHay, author of the wildly popular and financially successful Left Behind series.

http://www.citizensforethics.org/

Also: Shrub's primary duties, after not reporting for duty in the TX ANG, were to herd the Evangelical vote for his father's election and, of course then, later for himself.

Circumstantial, yes, but a likely set of dots anyway.

[polly7]

9. I think you lose ...

"George Bush has claimed he was on a mission from God when he launched the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, according to a senior Palestinian politician in an interview to be broadcast by the BBC later this month.
Mr Bush revealed the extent of his religious fervour when he met a Palestinian delegation during the Israeli-Palestinian summit at the Egpytian resort of Sharm el-Sheikh, four months after the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.

One of the delegates, Nabil Shaath, who was Palestinian foreign minister at the time, said: "President Bush said to all of us: 'I am driven with a mission from God'. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/oct/07/iraq.usa

[Tigress DEM]

38. Ya' know, when you put it that way....

Still, I think it's a case of convienently blaming God for doing what he wanted to do anyway.

But when I think of radical Christians, I think of that awful minister who went to military funerals just to bash the families of dead soldiers because they wanted a venue to get their message of hating gays is our Christian duty out to a bigger audience.

Fred Phelps - Westboro Baptist Church




Tig

[truedelphi]

13. Oh yeah, because uh, I remember how the Muslims dropped that

Shock and Awe campaign on the people of Iraq? And over one million people were killed?

And then the atrocities in Afghanistan,where these drones drop random death on wedding parties, funerals, and other celebrations.

Damn Muslims!

What? Oh, oh that was us? Us Americans?

Well, those Muslims forced us to do it!

[BlueToTheBone]

14. It began with Alexander

and the "spread" of Christianity hasn't stopped.

[dmallind]

24. Alexander who?

Alexander the Great? A pagan self-appointed demi-god who lived 300-odd years before Christianity was thought of? Alexander VI who, while admittedly being Pope, was about as concerned with espousing Christian doctrine as I am? Don't get me wrong Christianity has its share of bastards both historical and current who are willing to commit atrocities to spread it, but I can't think of an egregious example let alone an initial one named Alexander.

[BlueToTheBone]

25. Sorry, got my assholes mixed up

I was thinking of Constantine.

[HooptieWagon]

7. American Christians have killed a lot more people than American Muslims.

[meow2u3]

17. It's about time someone spoke out against radical Christianists

The only difference between radical Islamists and radical Christianists is the religion. They share everything else: racism, misogyny, hatred for the poor, etc., and they enjoy making people suffer. In fact, these psychos laugh when someone is suffering at their hands.

[clang1]

18. re: It's about time someone spoke out against radical Christianists

But but the radical Christians are white!!! and they wave American flags and they vote republican. No no noo.

[meow2u3]

22. Democrats will have to take back the House

before hearings on radical Christianists begin. Repukes won't investigate their own gang.

[clang1]

30. re: Democrats will have to take back the House

nooope, that they don't and won't.

[XemaSab]

21. And they're getting more radical by the day...

[spanone]

27. thank you!!!

k&r..

[steve2470]

28. You go Mr. Green !

https://algreen.house.gov/contact-me

He's from Houston. Hopefully he's ready for the unhinged RW Christians to come after him.

[clang1]

29. re: You go Mr. Green !

No shit and they will one way or other too.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

31. why not have a hearing on the radicalization of Christians?

They do.

Every time Republicans listen to their base.

[Tigress DEM]

39. Rim Shot!

[sadbear]

37. Al Green gave an inspirational speech at the Texas Democratic Party Convention

He's a good one to have on our side.