And By Their POSTS, Lord, You Will Know Them.

[LaydeeBug]

Please stop letting them try to divide and conquer so they can frame the narrative.

Russia hacked the election.

The GOP became a functioning arm of the KGB, hence, KGB/GOP. <<<----put the KGB first, after all, the GOP did, when they put RUSSIA in front of America.

We all saw this happen. DU WAS DOWN FOR A FUCKING REASON, AND DON'T YOU EVER FORGET THAT.

Now they are here trying to bring us down in a different way, and we all know it.

[HassleCat]

1. Perhaps be more specific?

What is this divisive narrative? I have a feeling it's the one suggesting we should be more hospitable to the Bernie Bros, white men in the flyover region, etc.

[uponit7771]

6. That Russia wasn't a factor

[Nitram]

34. Gee, Cat, sounds like you might have a little chip on your shoulder?

[HassleCat]

35. Not really

If I have something to say, I say it. But there are numerous posts here that reflect chip on shoulder, axe to grind, etc. and make sideways accusations. We are so conditioned by this that we think everybody is always accusing somebody of some skullduggery. The comments I get go both ways, indicating people are generally expecting to be accused of something. And it's not paranoia because there are so many "Oh I didn't mean you!" Posts floating around here. I hope it diminishes soon, and we can say, "Here's a mistake we made" without getting into a tussle about whose fault it was we lost.

[hfojvt]

46. to some people

I think any deviation from the supposed "consensus position" is divisive narrative, and anybody who disagrees with me an my pals who all agree with me, MUST simply be playing for the other team.

their cry seems to be

conform, dammit

and

if I want your opinion, I will give it to you

[elleng]

2. Democrats have let repugs frame the narrative for years,

among other things by ignoring Professor Lakoff.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4045995

'We all know it' is a limited group;

[BlancheSplanchnik]

36. . Yep and it hurts us.

Meanwhile, pukes--sociopathic tendencies and all--are pleased as Putinsky to use any lie that will get a wave of gut reaction working for them.

[elleng]

38. HAS hurt us a LOT for YEARS,

and as you suggest, encourages the lies.

A lie told once remains a lie but a lie told a thousand times becomes the truth
Joseph Goebbels

[BlancheSplanchnik]

40. yep.

Tell a lie.
Make it big.
Tell it often.

Hitler doctrine.

[Cha]

42. And, the gd M$M does not help our DEMS!!!! Gee, what if we had a

Free Press!?

[Greybnk48]

3. I hear ya LaydeeBug.

Watch for the trolls to chime in trying to divert the topic. I think most of us here know what you mean.

[LaydeeBug]

4. It just *keeps* happening. It's like they've been just *waiting* to replay the primaries. nt

[uponit7771]

5. Right...the Bernie would have won or Biden would have won is denying reality

[LaydeeBug]

7. it's not just denying reality, it gives Russia a pass. nt

[BlancheSplanchnik]

37. Indeed. And it diminishes Hillary's eminent competence. n/t

[shraby]

8. K&R I called them on it too.

[LaydeeBug]

9. God Bless you for it, too. nt

[Kingofalldems]

10. I get it. Trump trolls right in front of us.

[LaydeeBug]

11. They're pretending to be "let's move on" Democrats. nt

[Paladin]

13. And there are BUNCHES OF THEM at DU, today.

Thanks for pointing it out, LaydeeBug.

[trueblue2007]

21. so report them, i am doing so.

NO TRUMP SUPPORTERS ON THIS WEBSITE !!!

[LaydeeBug]

27. They just come back as someone else. nt

[LaydeeBug]

28. check out post #23. Right here on this thread. nt

[trueblue2007]

41. YES, IT HAS BEEN REMOVED !!!!

[brush]

52. I tried but it's been removed. What was the gist of it?

[LaydeeBug]

58. the same gist as all of them...calm down, take a breath, Russia didn't do this

blah3

[Kingofalldems]

14. They have come out of the woodwork.

[Maru Kitteh]

12. THANK YOU LAYDEEBUG! Excellent post!

A very hearty K&R!

[LaydeeBug]

59. Thank YOU Maru Kitteh, I really love your posts. nt

[Maru Kitteh]

60. That is a great honor to me LaydeeBug; as I hold you as one of our finest. I mean that.

[deminks]

15. When you see a FUD post (fear, uncertainty, doubt)

suspect it.

I like to ask them if they think they are paid enough, and did the check clear the bank this week.

[LaydeeBug]

16. seriously. Just as long as you don't. back. down. nt

[lpbk2713]

17. Thank you for saying what needed to be stated.

This won't just go away on its own.

[Generator]

18. I don't even get arguing primary shit anymore

The Russians are coming. Sanders/Clinton are not an issue-that ship HAS SAILED and there are Russians coming back on the boat. Stopping Trump or ousting him is the only issue anymore. We aren't going to win any elections if our votes don't count and we have nothing but propaganda and a country ruled by fascists.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

24. Agree

But there are still those who bring it up.

As I've said on other threads, the house is on fire and some want to argue over what color the drapes should be.

[ismnotwasm]

19. K&R

[AlexSFCA]

20. need to be more specific

Russia hacked DNC and RNC emails and realsed DNC e-mails via wikileaks in order to favor Trump's election. Beyond that, we have no evidence that Russia has anything to do with counting votes. Those machines are not connected to the internet and the recount in Wisconsin does not seem to indicate fraud.

If a blue state Wisconsin genuinely voted for Trump then I really don't have any reason to doubt Michigan and Pennsylvania results.

So let's not get all paranoid into beleiving that Trump would not have won without Russian interference - we don't know that.

We need to figure out how to connect with rust belt voters - we are talking about democrats who voted for Obama twice and voted for Trump. Van Jones is onto something and all we do here is making our own grave deeper. We need those voters, we can't continue to alienate them by not respecting their vote.

[LaydeeBug]

22. Mmmm Hmmm. Pretend. nt

[AgadorSparticus]

48. It is so obvious, isn't it, ladybug?

[LaydeeBug]

50. How they want to imply how *vague* and unspecific it is, yes. nt

[Hekate]

44. Plenty of specifics out there, including multitudinous ones posted here, AlexSFCA.....

We actually DO know several entities put their thumbs on the scale for Trump, and it's not paranoia to say so. Hillary Clinton is going to end up with 3 million more votes than Trump, and that's not even allowing for the ones that have been suppressed or with states that are refusing to do an honest recount. This has been abundantly reported at DU, with citations from reliable sources.

I don't know where you've been before this, but DU has had a policy since it was founded of not passing along CTs or fake news. That's why you see so many posters asking other posters to supply links to their assertions, unless they are clearly just stating an opinion. That's why there are specific sources that are not allowed, either because they are propaganda sites or fake news sites.

[brush]

53. Are you serious? On this thread you post that?

[LaydeeBug]

25. Breathing just fine...please stop carrying their water. You're welcome. nt

[workinclasszero]

26. I get it

I hope others see whats going on around this board as well LaydeeBug

[BeyondGeography]

29. Since Russia is watching, I'd like them to know I love Rachmaninoff

and I think Sviatoslav Richter was a god.

But that doesn't mean you can have the Baltics back.

[LaydeeBug]

30. I am a Tchaicovsky fan myself, but that doesn't mean not disclosing their connection with the GOP an

is okay.

It's treason.

[Skidmore]

31. Agree...like roaches

and all over FB and Twitter too. Either they try the disgruntled liberal diguise or they are downright obnoxious gloating with hints of threats.

[LaydeeBug]

32. yep. always a 'hold on there, you don't know that'

Mmmm-kay. we don't know it

[AgadorSparticus]

49. Yep!!!

[mopinko]

33. perhaps we should lobby admins to add- spreading fud- to the list of

causes for removal of posts.

[Maru Kitteh]

39. And now we have people on DU promoting Putin's propaganda empire, RT!

Apparently they're all neato because they don't need to run commercials and sometimes they say mean things about some corporations.

Oh, and all the cool kids like RT and stuff.

[Hekate]

45. I thought RT had been disallowed here already. Guess not -- yet.

[mdbl]

47. This is my take on it too!

[brush]

55. Wow! Thanks for posting this. Everybody should take time to watchi t.

[Jacob Boehme]

51. Wise Words from 500 BC

The good fighters first put themselves beyond the possibility of defeat, then wait for an opportunity of defeating the enemy.
(Sun Tzu)

[Coyotl]

54. When will you have evidence for these rants?

[JustAnotherGen]

57. kick and rec