Takei: If there was interference on the play, you don't count the touchdown

[Cha]

George Takei
✔ ?@GeorgeTakei
If there was interference on the play, you don't count the touchdown. Russia meddled in our election, says the CIA. Electors, do your jobs.
4:44 AM - 10 Dec 2016
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https://twitter.com/jonlovett/status/807735658911567872/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw


https://twitter.com/ditzkoff

[TexasTowelie]

1. Very true.

I was watching one of the Texas high school football playoff games tonight and one team was getting whipped. Near the end of the game one of the receivers on the losing team caught a long pass inside the five yard line and he was in open coverage. The guy did a pirouette before stepping into the end zone to score the touchdown. However, the receiver was penalized for unsportsmanlike conduct and since the infraction occurred before the end of the play the game officials took the touchdown off the scoreboard. It was a stupid showoff stunt and his team lost 35-14. I'm certain that that coach will have something to talk about with that player in the locker room or on the three-hour ride home on the bus.

[Cha]

2. Wow! Imagine that.. a real life example right

here right now..

Gracias, TexasTowelie!

[Cha]

3. That SILENCE you hear is from people who yell #MAGA but stand down as

Peter Daou
✔ ?@peterdaou
That SILENCE you hear is from people who yell #MAGA but stand down as we learn that a foreign power took control of America's election.
5:18 PM - 9 Dec 2016
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https://twitter.com/peterdaou?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

[Hugin]

4. We need to start calling the Kremlin "hack" by it's more appropriate name.

Social Engineering.

"Social engineering, in the context of information security, refers to psychological manipulation of people into performing actions or divulging confidential information. A type of confidence trick for the purpose of information gathering, fraud, or system access, it differs from a traditional "con" in that it is often one of many steps in a more complex fraud scheme.

The term "social engineering" as an act of psychological manipulation is also associated with the social sciences, but its usage has caught on among computer and information security professionals."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_engineering_(political_science)

[Cha]

5. Thank you, Hugin.. Social Engineering or our Election was

thrown by Russian hacking.. works for me.

[Jean-Jacques Roussea]

6. Social engineering is the alt-right of hacking

It's a polite way to say information manipulation just like alt-right is a polite way to say Nazi.

I'd go as far to call this brainwashing.

[Cha]

14. I think so.. brainwashing for sure.

Merci, Roussea

[Hugin]

19. Yes, mass brainwashing.

Also, a good term.

[Hugin]

22. Brainwashing is good, too.

What I'm trying to convey is the totality of what is happening within the populace goes way beyond the hacking of the Democratic computers. It's a wide mass social attack achieved mainly through the control of media and social networking.

In addition to voter suppression and intimidation.

All of those fake news stories, "like" farms on Facebook, and Twitter in general are destroying our social fabric and the social contract here in the U.S. as well.

If you think brainwashing is what it should be called. Go for it. It's as good of a name as any for this beast.

[Cha]

13. Why are you suggesting President Obama was in on

the Russian hacking?

[Hugin]

20. Interesting.

I missed this one. I must've hit a sore spot... Tells me I'm on target.

From your hint Cha, I guess by associating the hack with the Kremlin I've activated a need for a new talking point and that talking point is to associate President Obama and other Democrats with what happened as a means of "muddying the waters".

Be on guard for this new point.

[Cha]

48. Hi Hugin..

It was suggesting that IF the Russians hacked the DNC then President Obama would have known about it.. and not too subtly.

Pertinent tweet from Charles Pierce..

Charles P. Pierce ?@CharlesPPierce · Dec 9
I will be ignoring any and all putative "progressive" who is more concerned about the reputation of WikiLeaks than about Russian ratfcking.

https://twitter.com/CharlesPPierce

Thank you

[MichMan]

7. Don't ever recall them taking away a touchdown after the game has ended. n/t

[Cha]

9. The "game" hasn't ended.

[libtodeath]

35. Exactly!

[Cha]

43. Mahalo, libtodeath!

[wordpix]

53. we cannot let Drumpf be installed. Exactly

I say "we" but my power as a blogger and member of a small town DTC is pretty limited.

[Crash2Parties]

11. Ref (EC) hasn't even made the call yet

[libtodeath]

34. It is not over.

[triron]

10. excellent metaphor

[Cha]

16. Yeah, thanks George! Mahalo to you, triron

[yuiyoshida]

12. The WORST part of this, is even if proven true, Trump will still be President

Once the call was made, its official and he is not about to back away, and can you imagine his fan base going nuts, when he is told he doesn't qualify as President? They will burn Washington to the ground and start the next Civil War. Count on it.

[geomon666]

17. Maybe we need another Civil War.

I don't say that lightly either.

[yuiyoshida]

18. maybe

I just hope, like the last one, California stays out of it.

[uncle ray]

26. gee, thanks for having our backs.

the attitude that i'm seeing from a tiny handful of Californians is as disgusting at that from the Trump supporters. i guess we'll have to win the next one on our own too. don't worry though, we'll still let you stay.

[yuiyoshida]

38. That's mighty white of you.

[drray23]

30. I am ready to fight for my country if it comes to that.

The trumpsters would find that even though we are liberal, we are not defenseless.

[wordpix]

54. count me in for the next

Underground RR. I have a spare room for hosting patriots

[HughBeaumont]

52. Seditious Rednecks vs The U.S. Military.

Sorry, the latter's winning that battle every time.

[yuiyoshida]

55. um, if Trump is President

guess who is in charge of the U.S. Military?

[gordianot]

15. If this were the NFL management would be looking at the rules.

Losing the big game is cause for some people (usually those who object to protests) to riot and display really bad behavior. Still an interesting analogy.

[baldguy]

21. "If you're convinced that Hillary is corrupt, flawed, unlikable, dishonest, ...."

"... that was EXACTLY the goal of Russian tampering Congratulations."

And there are still people on DU trying to push this lie.

[mcar]

32. Yep

[JTFrog]

36. Yes. The usual suspects are all back at it. nt

[brer cat]

23. Peter Daou is spot on, Cha!

Hillary's supposed "unlikability" was the rallying cry even here on DU, and it was the Russian strategy. We would be facing a very different country and world if they had not been successful.

Thanks for this thread.

[Cha]

49. You're Welcome, bret cat!

My network was disconnected for 13 hours and I'm playing catch-up!

We would be so happy right now if the Russians and traitorous FBI hadn't ratfucked our election.

As it is drumpfump is under a big black heavy could bursting with toxic chemicals.

Thank you!

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

24. If the penalty wasn't called at the time, the game score stands.

Dream on, George, but we're stuck with Trump, and his whole cabinet of deplorables.

And soon, a (more) deplorable Supreme Court.

[baldguy]

28. Notre Dame must forfeit all football wins from 2012-13

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/colleges/2016/11/22/notre-dame-must-forfeit-all-football-wins-from/NUvN5VuC4E36xYLS5wL7KN/story.html

[MichMan]

29. #3 Florida has asked the NCAA to get the teams back together and re play for the 2012 Championship

Notre Dame lost the 2013 BCS Championship to Alabama.

Now that Notre dame has had the wins in that season vacated, I have not heard on when that championship game will be replayed. I hear that #3 Florida has asked the NCAA to get the teams back together and re play for the 2012 Championship.

[TheBlackAdder]

25. Must push Federalist 68, about the EC purpose to prevent foreign influence.

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Therefore, the direct election of the president is left up to those who have been selected by the voters to become the electors. This indirect election is justified by Hamilton because while a republic is still served, the system allows for only a certain type of person to be elected president, preventing individuals who are unfit for a variety of reasons to be in the position of chief executive of the country.

This is reflected in his later fears about the types of people who could potentially become president. He worries that corrupted individuals could, particularly those who are either more directly associated with a foreign state, or individuals who do not have the capacity to run the country. The former is covered by Article II, Section 1, v of the United States Constitution, while the latter is covered by Hamilton in Federalist 68, where he notes that the person who will become president will have to be a person who possesses the faculties necessary to be a president, stating that,

Talents for low intrigue, and the little arts of popularity, may alone suffice to elevate a man to the first honors in a single State; but it will require other talents, and a different kind of merit, to establish him in the esteem and confidence of the whole Union, or of so considerable a portion of it as would be necessary to make him a successful candidate for the distinguished office of President of the United States

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalist_No._68


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[wordpix]

51. I agree, Federalist 68 says it all

Will post on Twitter

[Paladin]

27. You DUers, tucking yourself into the fetal position over this, WAKE UP!

An enormous evil has been done to this country's electoral system. At the very least, immediately register your strong disapproval with your elected officials. That probably won't accomplish much, so start thinking about additional public actions. There ought to be a re-do of the election, with careful tabulation of paper ballots. That's where things stand, at the moment.

[Marengo]

37. Are you assuming a leadership role? What action are you taking?

[Cha]

44. No fetal no more for me.. I'm done with that.

Thanks for the pep talk, Paladin

[Paladin]

56. Thatnks for the thread and for the positive response. (nt)

[mcar]

31. Good point!

[Cha]

47. Leave it to George Takei..

eh, mcar?

[ismnotwasm]

33. K&R

[Cha]

46. Mahalo, ism!

[triron]

39. knr

Sounds about right.

[Oneironaut]

40. This is a massive cluster (beep).

If Trump stays in power, he's seen as illegitimate. If Hillary is given power, she is seen as illegitimate.

I don't think Russia likes Trump. They just want to turn us against each other. Of course, Russia is playing with a lit piece of dynamite. These actions, though effective, were ultimately stupid.

It's in nobodies interest for the US to go up in flames. In the worst case scenario, nuclear weapons might be launched. In the best case scenario, everybody suffers.

Putin has forgotten that, just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. Even if only considering Russian interests, the potential blowback is extreme.

Does anyone want at worst another American civil war, or at best an extremely unstable world? Even Putin wouldn't. He just doesn't believe it can happen. His thinking is foolish and idealistic.

This isn't over. The blowback will be horrifying and intense. It will be an interesting 4 years.

[triron]

41. Russia may not 'like' Trump but they see him

as an easy target; and Putin dislikes Hillary; he sees her as strong.

[Oneironaut]

42. I agree. Trump is malleable and cowardly.

Putin knows Trump doesn't have what it takes to be Commander in Chief. Trump can easily be threatened and bullied. Trump's business interests can also be a very useful thing to threaten.

Hillary was Putin's nemesis. He respected her.

[brooklynite]

45. ...because those are the rules.

They're not the rules of the Presidential Election.

[wordpix]

50. I'm seeing stop Trump actions today and I love it!

McCain and a few other R's want to investigate Russian cybercrimes. McCain is questioning the selection of Exxon chief for SOS. The recounts and court cases to get recounts are moving ahead. Things are bubbling. It's not over til it's over.

[Cha]

57. May they keep bubbling over and

spew all over trump and his big plans to hand America to Russia while desecrating her.

Thanks, wordpix