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Tanuki

(14,920 posts)
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 04:10 PM Dec 2016

Stop calling a lie a "theory."

I was listening to NPR on my car radio, and two different people referred to the bizarre lie about Hillary Clinton that triggered the assault weapons incident in the DC pizza parlor as a "conspiracy theory." People need to stop dignifying malicious lies intended to undermine the democratic process. A theory is an honest attempt to explain a set of facts or observations, and even a mistaken theory is based on seeking the truth. Deliberate falsehoods are not "theories". Words have meaning, and truth still matters.

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Stop calling a lie a "theory." (Original Post) Tanuki Dec 2016 OP
The correct usage would by hypothesis, PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2016 #1
It wasn't even a hypothesis. It was a deliberate lie, Tanuki Dec 2016 #4
Or accurate comma placement, either. LanternWaste Dec 2016 #10
Well "conspiracy theory" is just another term for lie. Or, a way of saying "bullshit" on the air. TreasonousBastard Dec 2016 #2
Let me come up with the formula meow2u3 Dec 2016 #3
Best discription today. Wellstone ruled Dec 2016 #5
I think some conspiracy theorists are merely misguided, Tanuki Dec 2016 #7
A republican was walking down the street and Angry Dragon Dec 2016 #6
I would think the majority of people hearing the phrase "conspiracy theory," Pacifist Patriot Dec 2016 #8
The term usually has a negative connotation TwilightZone Dec 2016 #9
K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Dec 2016 #11

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,895 posts)
1. The correct usage would by hypothesis,
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 04:14 PM
Dec 2016

since there's no good way to test such things to raise them to the status of a theory.

My son, the physicist set me straight on using those two words some time back.

Unfortunately, most people don't care about using words precisely.

Tanuki

(14,920 posts)
4. It wasn't even a hypothesis. It was a deliberate lie,
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 04:18 PM
Dec 2016

intended to influence the outcome an election. A manipulative lie is NOT an hypothesis. You can ask your physicist son if you don't believe me.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
10. Or accurate comma placement, either.
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 05:48 PM
Dec 2016

"most people don't care about using words precisely..."

Or accurate comma placement, as well.

Tanuki

(14,920 posts)
7. I think some conspiracy theorists are merely misguided,
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 04:26 PM
Dec 2016

and not deliberately lying. Sometimes the results are just as damaging. But in this instance, it is a lie and not an error. Both need to be called out and corrected, but I think there is a distinction to be made in terms of intention and sourcing.

Angry Dragon

(36,693 posts)
6. A republican was walking down the street and
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 04:22 PM
Dec 2016

a truth bit him in the ass ............... he did not know what it was

Pacifist Patriot

(24,654 posts)
8. I would think the majority of people hearing the phrase "conspiracy theory,"
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 04:27 PM
Dec 2016

interpret it to mean complete and utter bullshit in this particular context.

I'm not certain bringing in denotation or the use of language in a scientific setting is necessary in a case like this. I agree the people referring to the incident could have used the phrase "bizarre lies" just as easily, and perhaps should have to make a stronger point. But I'm not convinced they didn't convey essentially the same thing with the phrase "conspiracy theory."

TwilightZone

(25,476 posts)
9. The term usually has a negative connotation
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 04:57 PM
Dec 2016

It essentially means lie. It's often used to describe crackpots like Alex Jones and the nonsense he publishes.

But I agree with your underlying assertion. Calling a lie a lie works, too.

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