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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhen I hear this talk show host call Obama a 'monkey president' I hold several reactions at once
. . . and I hold back a few of them to try and maintain my own humanity. Here's two . . .
One is a feeling of deep hurt that hasn't really left me since my childhood. The other is more productive.
This person knows well that in belittling our nation's first black president in this way, that, she is belittling all black Americans. I'll describe my feeling this way . . .
Despite my own experiences with racism and bigotry, I've always understood that I'd need to be guileless in how I regard my fellow humans. That regard has me accepting that there is a value to each of us which transcends and exceeds almost everything else we get ourselves into over our lifetimes. Of course, we correctly make judgments about each other based on our behavior and attitudes. However, I've never found cause to devalue anyone on the basis of their race. That makes it rather jarring for me when I see and hear others making such derogatory remarks based on the color of skin.
The monkey jibe is a familiar one for me. It's a childhood experience, of which, I still, to this day, look back on with wonder and bewilderment. Thing is, I hear these things; I process them; and I resolve to move ahead, not thinking for a moment that I want to mirror ANY of it for my own edification or retribution. I'm really thinking that it's like water that I'm determined to keep my head above to survive.
So it's like a wave over me to hear this woman's awful description of President Obama and I'm pushing up for air again; a bit exhausted by the waves and waves of this ignorant, contemporary/retro revival of what was and is, essentially, Jim Crow racism.
I fought for our generation's civil rights in the Jesse Jackson-affirmative action era. We made many strides forward and believed that, once understood and recognized for what it was, our society wouldn't long tolerate these public expressions of hatred and fear without a ready rebuke from our enlightened majority.
I think we're at another moment of decision in America about how we relate to each other. There is a sense among some of us that there is some benefit in stoking division between blacks and whites once more. It's certainly a political motivation for some. Yet, that appeal wouldn't seem to have any chance at all unless there is some festering desire among some of the public to participate and support the nonsense.
As we can see from the following of these pols and pundits who spread and exploit this divisive gospel, there is a ready audience of disciples who find some personal benefit in the prejudicial patter. It's beyond titillation. It looks to be a belief in some that they are elevated by putting these folks down. It's like they've discovered an ancient taboo; a potent and destructive one to conjure up all of the evil that infected our society in the past -- unabated by a sense among us that we've already resolved our nation's most destructive animus.
Now we're just swatting at flies . . . but, this is a swarm of hatred that has gathered outside of this presidency which won't be easily assuaged by history books, or by readily available documentaries and testimonies to our tragic beginnings.
That brings me to that other reaction of mine. I am fortunate to have been properly influenced by the lessons of our past. I am not dissuaded from ANYTHING because some yahoo chooses to spout off. Further than that, I am empowered, in this age, to reach out and respond directly to these desperate people without fear of retribution or any destructive consequence. So, my resolve to oppose this bigoted bleating is actually deepened. My social awareness and my dedication to my fellow human is deepened and enhanced by that empowerment.
The republican party was the last refuge for the racists of old; and refuge, today, for a developing generation of bigots. We've got to fight this like it was 1963 again. We need to remember the lessons our leaders in that past struggle taught us and apply them today; apply our knowledge just as diligently as these new bigots are reviving their vintage brand of Jim Crow to, improbably, bully their way into some political or social advantage.
That's how I ultimately react to 'monkey president' . . . with resolve and determination -- believing that we have what it takes, in our own generation, to overcome.
NOLALady
(4,003 posts)Kick
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)...and it's policies and they've become louder amongst themselves
October
(3,363 posts)Like the "Christian" tea-bagger types. They've just become emboldened because they've been afforded a platform and a mic. They're just LOUDER now. And FoxNews and their ilk are never outraged by their hate, so they keep taking it to new levels.
The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)ailsagirl
(22,899 posts)handmade34
(22,757 posts)the hurt is real and the anger is intense... we must fight and overcome...
CanSocDem
(3,286 posts)pscot
(21,024 posts)The demographics are against them. Eloquent post.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)monmouth
(21,078 posts)Maraya1969
(22,494 posts)The answer has to do with racist history. White men were never referred to as monkeys as a group in a derogatory and racist manner.
monmouth
(21,078 posts)as a "chimp" either, but if he's of a different color and different political mindset, it's okay. The whole chimp thing should just go away.
datasuspect
(26,591 posts)because there is no comparison.
siligut
(12,272 posts)wake.up.america
(3,334 posts)Please - what does "THIS" mean? I often see it, but have no idea what it stands for. I agree?
DCKit
(18,541 posts)In context, the particular use to which you refer makes perfect sense.
wake.up.america
(3,334 posts)Gracias.
siligut
(12,272 posts)I don't use it often, but for me to just agree with datasuspect is pretty amazing, so I used it. +1 means the same thing, or + any number, but a higher number means "I agree a whole lot".
JitterbugPerfume
(18,183 posts)to be more closely related to monkeys than to humans,and not that long ago.That was one of the "reasons" it was ok to enslave them and treat them like beasts of burden.
That is why the insult to Obama is cultural, and the insult to Bush was a reference to his lack of intellect.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)JitterbugPerfume
(18,183 posts)but this particular person was busy fu##ing up the world, so he is the exception to the rule.
That does not compare in any way to actually calling someone sub human
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Thanks for the reply.
Stainless
(718 posts)and their lack of intellect is destroying the country, then I would say yes, it's ok. If they are not in a position of authority then I would say no, it's not ok. The Chimp/Bush controversy involves intellect. The Obama/Monkey controversy involves racism.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Thanks for responding.
iemitsu
(3,888 posts)resembled "curious george" of children's book fame.
Selatius
(20,441 posts)Sans__Culottes
(92 posts)He *acted* like the patriarch of a clan of Pan Troglodytes.
Out of spite and bile, many labeled him as stupid (his intelligence was merely average, not sub-normal) in response to his faux-folksy ways, but few of us actually believed his act or the implication that he was intellectually-challenged.
We vented. People say snide and unpleasant things about the opposition. He did little to avoid the accusations, whether fair or not.
I don't think you really believe we were unjust, I think you're playing devils advocate for fun.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Welcome to DU!
Sans__Culottes
(92 posts)Tigress DEM
(7,887 posts)The "Chimperor"
Tore up the White House
Destroyed 200+ years of political detente that generations of diplomats had developed to keep the Middle East from blowing up
Pissed on our Constitutional Rights
Partied hearty on America's dime while all the time....
robbing the middle class, elderly and infirm
As well as borrowing from money our children and their children will some day have to earn.
He also barely got through college, got dressed up in the uniform but didn't really "serve" in the armed forces.
Obama is no "monkey" or "chimp" because he isn't intellectually challenged. Summa Cum Laude isn't for monkeys, folks.
The facts support *ush behaving like a chimp during his time in the White House. So if the truth is ugly, there it is.
The facts do not support Obama being intellectually challenged or having fits of rage where you could worry he might throw feces. The only reason to call Obama a monkey is to stir up the racists in the crowd and make the election about "us" vs "them".
Tig
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)and it obviously wasn't a racial context.
I don't know the context of the person's comments
"monkey president" -- what else but race they might
have been referring to.
brush
(53,840 posts)You ever hear the term "false equivalency"? If not, look it up and you'll know how uninformed you sound.
Sans__Culottes
(92 posts)It's been pointed out that the historical usage of lower primate imagery to denigrate black people amounts to racism.
Bush, on the other hand has not suffered that bigotry.
He received that label due to his actual primal characteristics.
Besides, if you really believe he gives a rat's ass about what the lower classes think of him you are quite mistaken.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)That would explain why you see no qualitative difference in calling W a chimp and Obama a monkey.
datasuspect
(26,591 posts)because he was a white man born with white privilege, white wealth, white boats, white mansions, white schools, white this, white that, white shoes, white bread, white, white, white, white, white.
white people were never derogatorily referred to as monkeys in a racially humiliating context.
plus, the motherfucker looks like a goddamn monkey.
bigtree
(86,005 posts). . . not in any historically prejudicial connotation, or any contemporary one.
I'd also say to try and apply a traditionally racist symbol or moniker directed at white Americans to black Americans and tell me if it seems relevant at all to anything more than name-calling.
That might seem like a slim reed, but I think we all know the volatile history behind such derogatory imagery directed toward blacks in America. I'm not seeing any of that in the reference to Bush as a Chimp.
I would go back to Darwin and his belief the Negroes were 'sub-species.' In his book, 'Affinities and Genealogy of Man' . . .
"The break will then be rendered wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilized state, as we may hope, than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as present between the Negro or Australian and the gorilla."
In 'Descent of Man' . . .
"At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout the world."
That's the type of association that is made by most of the demagogues; not with Darwin, necessarily, but by this notion that blacks are an inferior race. Romney's Mormonism had an integral belief that dehumanized blacks; so did Hitler. It's that theme which I think is implied by this woman and many others who make that association.
Maybe I can find a bit of sympathy for old George in that.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Last edited Wed Jun 20, 2012, 05:56 PM - Edit history (1)
That, and other things created to make a physical representation of inferiority once puzzled me. As a child I wondered why someone would put so much work into such a thing. It seemed such a waste of time and energy.
Now that I am older, I believe it is their own sense of inferiority that forces them to promote this. It is somewhat like Rush, denigrating those who he thinks are enjoying life too freely because his life is only a veneer of purchased pleasures.
When one is a child and forced into a world where people hate for nothing you did, so there is nothing you can change, makes one wonder what is going to be needed to survive. Children are seeking to find their own identity and part of that is from others, as we are social and depend on each other to surive. We imitate others; it's how we learn.
To be abused for nothing one has done has profound effects on the psyche of an adult with existing boundaries in place, but a child may not have them, and takes it all in unfiltered. My opinion from hearing of the murders of so many civil rights campaigners, was that being born black was like having a target on one's back, an unjust and terrifying burden. I felt if it was me, I might go crazy.
But back to the perceptions of children. I remember being pelted with rocks by a gang of boys because I stood between them and an animal they were abusing. I just stood there and blocked their path. After a while they ran off, but not before calling me a lot of uncomplimentary names.
That night I asked my dad, 'Why did they call me those names? Is there something wrong with me?' He said they were afraid of me and whatever they called me, was NOT what I was.
Later I had a job where an older woman went out of her way to confront and yell at me. No matter how friendly I tried to be since we had to pass work off to each other and show her respect, she exploded with rage.
An older man at the job had been observing and mentioned it one day. I asked 'Why is she so mad with me? What did I do?' He said something that cleared that up.
'You don't know what you really are. You have beauty and youth. She wants what you have, and she knows she will never have it.'
When I see Republicans and their attempts to drag down so many kinds of people, like Obama, it is because of something they lack. They are trying to drag him down to the level they know they exist upon no matter how they dress it up with money and power.
What is true, natural and beautiful in form or spirit is ephemeral, cannot be purchased with dead money. It is not a thing that can be locked up and hoarded, as it would die there.
They hate Obama because his life and success is a silent accusation that they shrink from. They have done the wrong thing with their energy and time. That's what racism and all the rest is about. A form of envy. JMHO.
bigtree
(86,005 posts)very-well stated.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)The same as our reaction will be when Obama gets called a 'cracker'?
(Let's all try to read for obvious intent as well as obvious content... we don't look as brain-dead that way.)
JitterbugPerfume
(18,183 posts)that "cracked the whip"?
Mister Ed
(5,943 posts)People on the bottom rung of the white section of the traditional Southern social ladder.
From Webster's Online (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cracker):
5 a (usually disparaging) : a poor, usually Southern white
Brainstormy
(2,381 posts)I believe that Bush was compared to a chimp because he did, quite literally, resemble one. In the same way that Mitch McConnell resembles a turtle. I don't think it was meant to be a comparison of intellect. If so, the chimps should be insulted.
hahahareally
(22 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
zeemike
(18,998 posts)And I totally agree with that.
It should be no more mister nice guy...they have crossed the line.
If hundreds of people showed up at the station that broadcast that and did an old fashioned sit in in their lobby they would get the message.
They only get away with it because we let them.
bigtree
(86,005 posts)I like the hell out of that.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)siligut
(12,272 posts)They have to pretend they are better than someone, to affirm their value to themselves.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)onlyadream
(2,167 posts)And it's sickening. If what comes out of thei mouths is so horrible, imagine what's going on in their heads! Horrible people. Small minded. Fearful.
panader0
(25,816 posts)AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)Your heart matters more then the color of your skin.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)just1voice
(1,362 posts)Just thought I'd add something to your excellent post, I don't disagree with anything you said. I think part of the repuke's racist tirades are a reactionary response from people calling the previously selected president a chimp. However, it would be a lot more accurate for me to refer to shrub as "the war criminal".
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)It's like, "Oh yeah? How about, (fill in the blank)?" as if it's justified.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)methodman
(23 posts)I think instead of getting angry for these kinds of reactive statemnts people should learn a little about the history where some of this came from and feed it back. into a poitive light.
Things like the Grand Chain Theory
draw your friends faces as a trogloddyte
Quote from the expressions of Emotions in Animals and Man by Charles Darwin
Quote from Georges Romanes on continuity of emotions between humans and animals.
Read Edward Thorndike and twist what he says. These folks kind of lie at the shaping curve for these conversation.
Watch Ted talks with your democrat friends and tell republicans they are so stupid they can''t even watch the Ted Talks.
http://www.ted.com/talks/susan_savage_rumbaugh_on_apes_that_write.html
ailsagirl
(22,899 posts)A wise man is superior to any insults which can be put upon him, and
the best reply to unseemly behavior is patience and moderation.
Moliere
I don't mean to make light of it-- not at all. But such "people" don't even deserve a response.
They're toxic and to pay attention to their hateful diatribes tells them they're getting a reaction.
The best reaction is to ignore them. IMO.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)While I know some people will be offended, it said a lot when even Bill Clinton tired playing the racist dog whistles "we got mugged..or he is not a muslim as far as I know." Even now, on all sides, people say he got his job because he was black. Even liberals like Ted Rall call him an "affirmative action" president.
It's one thing to be angry at him, it's another to pretend that there are not many who will use a crumb to bake a loaf. If Mitt wins, a lot of people who will say that they had honest reasons for their vote will hide behind the fact they had a White candidate they felt more comfortable with. However, those days are numbered, if by nothing else than the virtue that minorities will soon cease to be, minorities. Not that I am seeking some sort of war/civilwar, but simply put, we will say that the days when bigots could dismiss us and toss us aside are over. We wish not to be masters, but we will not be slaves.
Tigress DEM
(7,887 posts)Stupid is as stupid does and the party of rethugs has stupid to spare, like they bought it in mass quantities at Sam's Club so they'd never run out.
I feel for you or anyone who has been on the receiving end of racist BS.
On one hand, it's just name calling which says a whole lot more about the people who stoop to grab a handful of such racist crap to throw it at others, not realizing how much of the stink sticks on them.
On the other hand it's more of their "marketing to their base" and everything that is base about their base.
They aren't the majority, but if they raise enough "alarm" about things that absolutely don't matter, like skin color, then they can use black box voting and voter suppression to stack the elections in their favor - like Wisconsin. No way Walker should have been re-elected.
I've decided that the best course of action is to:
Volunteer to count the votes
Push for campaign finance reform
.... so that elections can't be stolen or bought.
Tig
Suji to Seoul
(2,035 posts)I can imagine what will happen if the following happens, but I can hope it won't:
01: Elect a Democratic woman
02: Gay or Lesbian president
03: Jewish president
04: Native American President
05: Asian-American president
06: Atheist president
Or, God forbid for the rabid right wing: a MUSLIM president. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I weep for my country with the racism that has pretty much been allowed to exist with little repercussion since we elected a black man president.
It makes me sick to my stomach.