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Cha

(297,323 posts)
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 08:44 AM Nov 2016

Donald Trump's Transition Team Wants to End Net Neutrality

Andrea Chalupa ?@AndreaChalupa
Putin put barbed wire on Russia's internet, to quote a Pussy Riot member. Expect Trump to prioritize this:
6:03 PM - 29 Nov 2016
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The principle that internet service providers should treat data equally was championed by the Obama administration, but corporate lackeys are set to overturn that on the FCC.

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Donald Trump has tapped two telecommunications lobbyists to head his FCC transition team. That’s bad news for net neutrality, the policy that says internet service providers must treat all data equally.

Last Monday, Trump named Jeffrey Eisenach and Mark Jamison to oversee the transition of Federal Communications Commission. Eisenach and Jamison, both are on staff at the conservative at the American Enterprise Institute, and both former lobbyists for major telecommunications companies. Both are vocal opponents of net neutrality.

Neither is a lock for the next FCC chair. But Trump, whose only public stance on net neutrality came in a confused 2014 tweet, is unlikely to champion equal internet access in his administration.

More~http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/11/29/donald-trump-s-transition-team-wants-to-end-net-neutrality.html?source=TDB&via=FB_Page

Hillary, of course, would have made sure we kept Net Neutrality.
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Donald Trump's Transition Team Wants to End Net Neutrality (Original Post) Cha Nov 2016 OP
KICK Cha Nov 2016 #1
You can bet there will be a surcharge HAB911 Nov 2016 #2
Really? How would that work? Cha Nov 2016 #3
Net Neutrality HAB911 Nov 2016 #7
OH I believe anything can happen here.. I was just Cha Nov 2016 #9
Here's a pic that illustrates the idea nicely... neeksgeek Nov 2016 #34
K & R Thinkingabout Nov 2016 #4
Thank you, Thinkingabout.. this Cha Nov 2016 #5
I wonder how the tRumpians at 4-chan or reddit are gonna feel about this... Raster Nov 2016 #6
Did you see this back in October? Hestia Nov 2016 #8
I did not, thank you. Raster Nov 2016 #10
Maybe they'll be pissed enough in 2020 Cha Nov 2016 #12
gawd, I hope so... Raster Nov 2016 #15
He's just remodeling it world wide wally Nov 2016 #19
Not a chance. They CAN'T be wrong WhiteTara Nov 2016 #32
Of course they do. sinkingfeeling Nov 2016 #11
Yes.. and water is wet and so it goes.. just thought it was Cha Nov 2016 #16
Someone should tell trump it will hurt the porn industry mdbl Nov 2016 #13
That's what people are saying.. why should they be spared? Cha Nov 2016 #17
yesterday limbaugh explained how net neutrality costs too much certainot Nov 2016 #14
RW hate radio is the reason why we can't have nice things. Initech Nov 2016 #18
relax I'm sure RW radio and interent will be included for free in the new interent era Txbluedog Nov 2016 #38
State run internet, TV, and radio is going to be great! Ask North Korea and Chechnya! Initech Nov 2016 #39
And, putin's Russia Cha Nov 2016 #40
Costs who too much.. the damn billionaires? Cha Nov 2016 #22
that's an old old rw talking point - not about competition certainot Nov 2016 #30
Yes, the internet will become like the mountain grammy Nov 2016 #20
That we all have to start Tweeting? Cha Nov 2016 #26
Of interest is attached going into streaming with direct dembotoz Nov 2016 #21
of course he's going to try and neuter the internet bigtree Nov 2016 #23
Oh yeah.. he'd putinize us in a heartbeat. drumpf does not Cha Nov 2016 #25
Kim Jong Un SDJay Nov 2016 #24
Public utility serving the public good... yallerdawg Nov 2016 #27
They were/are so brainwashed about Hillary.. forget the beer Cha Nov 2016 #29
Obama told him... yallerdawg Nov 2016 #31
lololol Cha Nov 2016 #33
Legit concern MontanaMama Nov 2016 #28
Broadcast, cable and reputable print/online news... yallerdawg Nov 2016 #35
Yes, exactly, MontanaMama Cha Nov 2016 #36
Let me guess... data from DU will eventually be considered less equal to... Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #37

HAB911

(8,904 posts)
7. Net Neutrality
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 09:19 AM
Nov 2016

Current rules treat the net as a utility, equal access to all. When/if that is removed, the carriers are free to charge more for certain types of traffic. Of course initially, streaming video will be in the crosshairs (streaming is in direct competition with, for instance, Verizon FiOS, AT&T Uverse etc)

Now I can see a day when, under political pressure, carriers will be free to censure the net using free market price based measures. Don't think it can't happen here.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
9. OH I believe anything can happen here.. I was just
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 09:31 AM
Nov 2016

asking for a bit more of the logistics.. thank you, HAB.

In the crosshairs like my Netflix

neeksgeek

(1,214 posts)
34. Here's a pic that illustrates the idea nicely...
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 12:26 PM
Nov 2016

This is a disturbing glimpse of the (possible) future:

Cha

(297,323 posts)
5. Thank you, Thinkingabout.. this
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 09:08 AM
Nov 2016

is serious shite that we expected but still.. I can see him trying to censor Progressives like putin.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
6. I wonder how the tRumpians at 4-chan or reddit are gonna feel about this...
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 09:13 AM
Nov 2016

...the Net is their sole link to the outside world, you know, beyond Mom's basement...

KEYBOARD COMMANDOS UNITE! Your *free* porn is in jeopardy!

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
8. Did you see this back in October?
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 09:24 AM
Nov 2016
http://gizmodo.com/4chan-is-going-broke-because-of-ad-blockers-1787392549

4Chan Is Going Broke Because of Ad Blockers [Update]

Bryan Menegus
10/04/16 10:30am

4Chan, the imageboard whose name has since become synonymous with internet villainy, celebrated its 13th year online this past Saturday. A day later, the site’s owner, Hiroyuki Nishimura, posted a thread titled, “Winter is coming.” The message was simple: we’re broke.

The options as he sees them are to inundate users with aggressive ads, sell more 4Chan Passes (a premium feature similar to Reddit Gold), or to cut down on file size limits and begin shutting down whole sections of the site.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
10. I did not, thank you.
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 09:39 AM
Nov 2016

My somewhat rhetorical question still stands: the keyboard commandos of the alt-reich worked their little cheetoh-stained fingers to put their "God Emperor" on the throne... what happens when they realize that one of their most treasured possessions, a unencumbered Net, is about to become very controlled, and most likely, expensive?

I would love to be a fly on the wall in Gab.ai, which is an invitation-only chat website that the alt-reich keyboard commandos have fled to, now that they have been exposed as racist, misogynist, homophobic little fucks.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
15. gawd, I hope so...
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 10:05 AM
Nov 2016

...I wonder if any of the tRumpistas are cogent of the fact that he meant NOTHING of what he said to get their votes and rat-fucking skills? tRump isn't draining the swamp, he's restocking it with even more vicious, even more blood-thirsty, power-hungry reptiles.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
16. Yes.. and water is wet and so it goes.. just thought it was
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 10:06 AM
Nov 2016

worth a reminder of the shite we're in for.

****** better not putinize us.

sinkingfeeling

mdbl

(4,973 posts)
13. Someone should tell trump it will hurt the porn industry
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 09:58 AM
Nov 2016

I don't know that it will but it may put it in terms he understands.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
14. yesterday limbaugh explained how net neutrality costs too much
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 10:00 AM
Nov 2016

which was how they sold media deregulation, electronic voting,etc

yet liberals continue to ignore rw radio... go figure

 

Txbluedog

(1,128 posts)
38. relax I'm sure RW radio and interent will be included for free in the new interent era
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 01:56 PM
Nov 2016

You'll have to pay premium for anything that does not sprout admin bs

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
30. that's an old old rw talking point - not about competition
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 11:58 AM
Nov 2016

left just needs to get uni sports out of rw radio to destroy it
and boycott all advertisers on all rw radio stations

expecting mom and pop radio to compete with wall mart radio is silly, and continuing to ignore rw radio while blaming defeats and messaging failures on little shit is failure.

limbaugh attacked net neutrality yesterday and will continue until its gone - and the internet just keep blowing itself

Your school is on a list of 88 universities at republiconradio.org that broadcast sports on 255 of Rush Limbaugh’s 600 radio stations. They could also be called Trump radio stations.

Your university is not only mocking it’s own mission statement, it is undermining the interests of most of its students, faculty, employees, and surrounding communities.

That makes your own school a legitimate place to protest any issue related to the Trump agenda.

Many of those relationships began prior to the 90’s, before they all began broadcasting propaganda for one party. There is no reason for those schools not to start looking for apolitical alternatives immediately.

The school administration will claim that it does not make business decisions based on politics.This is a question all those schools need to ask: If a radio station went to KKK programming would the university still let its mascot be used to sell a KKK agenda?

Those stations weigh in on elections for university regents and selection of administration including presidents and chancellors - is there a conflict of interest?

All of those stations will continue to deny global warming, deny reproductive rights to women, excuse racism and homophobia, and promote and excuse the Trump agenda. Republicans want to privatize public education, social security, and the post office. Their policies will raise college tuition. They want to reverse gains in health care reform. They want to end net neutrality. Those stations will be cheerleaders for the next war, as they were for the last one.

The station pays a licensing company a fee and the school gets a part of that. The station then gets to use the school logos, mascot, and community standing to attract advertising revenue. It gets to declare things like “850 KOA, home of the Buffs,and Rush Limbaugh!” Compared with TV licensing revenue talk radio stations pay very little.

Advertising revenue is used to fund station operating costs and pay for the national and local talk show hosts that broadcast from them most of the day.

Except for occasional innocuous programming all of those stations operate exclusively for the benefit of the Republican Party. They are coordinated with national and state GOP and their allied think tanks

If Trump would pay $1000/hr for a radio ad, 1200 nationwide stations x 15hrs/day x 5 days/week are worth about $5BIL/yr FREE for Trump. 255 x $75,000 = $19,125,000/WEEK FREE for Trump, or about $1BIL/yr endorsed by institutions of higher learning.

Those stations, licensed to operate in the public interest, are heavily dependent on the schools they parasitize and they all:
- deny global warming and science
- use public airwaves to sell voter suppression legislation
- use and excuse racism, misogyny, homophobia, and hate to divide communities
- work to deny reproductive rights for women and access to contraception
- fight environmental regulation, push fracking, and always support fossil fuel solutions over renewables
- fight to defund and privatize public education, attack teachers and work to lower their salaries, attack their unions, push voucher solutions and standardized testing, and obstruct efforts to lower student debt
- fight efforts to increase minimum wage
- undermine the economic and environmental interests of their communities
- use public airways to repeat propaganda that is demonstrably false and continue to lie after being corrected
- use public airwaves but use call screeners to exclude dissenting callers

How much revenue does the licensing company pay for radio broadcasting portion compared to the TV portion? Could donors make up the difference if there is a monetary loss? If there is a loss, how does it compare with the harm it is doing to its own principles, funding, students, and surrounding communities?

Are they violating their 501c3 tax exempt status? Here’s the IRS rule for political activity:
“Political activity. - If any of the activities (whether or not substantial) of your organization consist of participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office, your organization will not qualify for tax-exempt status under section 501(c)(3). Such participation or intervention includes the publishing or distributing of statements.”

No university has a good excuse not to reexamine it’s relationship with partisan radio stations and look for apolitical alternatives. If an existing contract cannot be voided without penalty, can donors be found to cover it?

Any university, state or private, supporting Republican talk radio is shooting itself in the foot, demeaning its mission statement and professed goals and values, and harming its students’ futures.

Here is that list of universities ($1000 x 15hrs/day x 5days = $75,000/week):

ALABAMA 8 $600,000 Auburn 3, Alabama 2, Southern Alabama 2, Troy 1
ARIZONA 1 $75,000 Arizona St. 1
ARKANSAS 3 $225,000 Arkansas 3
CALIFORNIA 5 $375,000 San Jose State 2, USC 2, Fresno St. 1
COLORADO 4 $300,000 Air Force 2, Colorado 1, Colorado State 1
CONNECTICUT 1 $75,000 Connecticut 1
FLORIDA 20 $1,500,000 Florida 10, Florida St. 4 Miami 2, South Florida 2, Central Florida 2
GEORGIA 14 $1,050,000 Georgia 7, Georgia Tech 5, Georgia Southern 2
IDAHO 7 $525,000 Boise St. 4, Idaho 3
ILLINOIS 7 $525,000 Illinois 7
INDIANA 11 $825,000 Notre Dame 6, Purdue 4, Indiana 1
IOWA 5 $375,000 Iowa 4, Iowa St. 1
KANSAS 4 $300,000 Kansas St. 2, Kansas 1, Wichita St. 1
KENTUCKY 3 $225,000 Louisville 2, Kentucky 1
LOUSIANA 3 $225,000 LSU 2, La.-Monroe 1
MARYLAND 2 $150,000 Maryland 2
MASSACHUSETTS 1 $75,000 Boston College 1
MICHIGAN 19 $1,425,000 Michigan St. 11, Michigan 7, Western Michigan 1
MINNESOTA 4 $300,000 Minnesota 4
MISSISSIPPI 6 Mississippi St. 3, Mississippi 2, Southern Miss 1
MISSOURI 6 $450,000 Missouri 6
NEBRASKA 6 $450,000 Nebraska 6
NEVADA 1 $75,000 Nevada 1
NEW JERSEY 2 $150,000 Rutgers 1, Seton Hall 1
NEW MEXICO 3 $225,000 New Mexico 2, New Mexico St. 1
NEW YORK 7 $525,000 Syracuse 6, Army 1
NORTH CAROLINA 16 $1,200,000 North Carolina 8, North Carolina State 3, Duke 3, East Carolina 2
OHIO 10 $750,000 Ohio St. 6, Toledo 1, Dayton 1, Bowling Green 1, Xavier 1
OKLAHOMA 5 $375,000 Oklahoma St. 3, Oklahoma 1, Oral Roberts 1
OREGON 12 $900,000 Oregon St. 7, Oregon 5
PENNSYLVANIA 14 $1,050,000 Penn St. 11, Pittsburgh 2, Temple 1
SOUTH CAROLINA 4 $300,000 South Carolina 2, Clemson 2
TENNESSEE 7 $525,000 Tennessee 4, Memphis 3
TEXAS 16 $1,200,000 Texas A&M 9, Texas Tech 4, Texas 1, Texas Christian 1, Baylor 1
UTAH 1 $75,000 Utah St. 1
VIRGINIA 6 $450,000 Virginia Tech 5, Virginia 1
WASHINGTON 6 $450,000 Washington 5, Washington St. 1
WEST VIRGINIA 2 $150,000 West Virginia 1, Marshall 1
WISCONSIN 3 $225,000 Wisconsin 3

There is no excuse for any school to support Trump radio.

dembotoz

(16,808 posts)
21. Of interest is attached going into streaming with direct
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 11:12 AM
Nov 2016

TV now.
Perhaps the corporate preferred service in a non neutral world

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
23. of course he's going to try and neuter the internet
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 11:18 AM
Nov 2016

...the ONLY place where he's held accountable.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
25. Oh yeah.. he'd putinize us in a heartbeat. drumpf does not
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 11:29 AM
Nov 2016

tolerate dissent.

Tweeters still gonna Tweet tho

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
27. Public utility serving the public good...
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 11:41 AM
Nov 2016

or privatized profit machine used to merchandise and sell in media monopolies granted by the government and including unprecedented corporate surveillance (made available on request to government agencies)?

Oh, well - we'd never drink a beer with Hillary, and that's what's important.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
29. They were/are so brainwashed about Hillary.. forget the beer
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 11:55 AM
Nov 2016

they want her in jail.

I hear drumpfuck's breaking his promise.. idiot.

yallerdawg

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
31. Obama told him...
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 12:06 PM
Nov 2016

"The president just can't throw people in jail - or your ass would be there!"

Which filtered through the massive plaque buildup in Corrupt Trump's brain, when we finally heard, "Oh? Oh!"

Mahalo, Cha!

MontanaMama

(23,322 posts)
28. Legit concern
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 11:51 AM
Nov 2016

and we should be ready for it. Support Free Speech TV and DU!! We already know what's happened to the MSM. It is in Orange Hitler's interest to keep the masses from knowing the truth.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
35. Broadcast, cable and reputable print/online news...
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 12:27 PM
Nov 2016

created a credible and unvetted, falsely-equivalent image of Corrupt Trump.

Corporate media understood the value (ad revenue generated by ratings-driven controversy/drama) of this candidate, and made it happen - not just Fox News this time.

Ethics and morality took a hike.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,855 posts)
37. Let me guess... data from DU will eventually be considered less equal to...
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 01:51 PM
Nov 2016

... data from Free Republic?

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