Hillary is going to win the pop vote 49-46 and by some 2,500,000 votes

[DemocratSinceBirth]

Dave Wasserman ?@Redistrict 12h12 hours ago
Hillary Clinton looks likely to hit 65M votes, roughly on par w/ Obama '12, and win popular vote by ~2.5M: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/133Eb4qQmOxNvtesw2hdVns073R68EZx4SfCnP4IGQf8/edit#gid=19Hillary …

I see a lot of Trumpkins whining that a lot of these votes are coming from the Republic Of California. Fine, let us secede and we will form a loose confederation with Mexico and do just fine. We are the sixth largest economy in the world. You need us more than we need you.

[still_one]

1. As a Californian, I'll go for that.

[Silver Gaia]

6. Same here!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. We can get Nevada, Washington, and Oregon to join us.

Call it West America.

[still_one]

12. Kick & Rec!!!!!!!

[Yavin4]

16. What will you do for water? n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. No water: No food. No technology. No culture. And no oil from our buddy, Mexico.

BTW, CO where we get some of our water from is more simpatico with us than Trumpica.

And Trumpica still needs our ports.

[Act_of_Reparation]

50. I don't think you've thought this through.

Seven states draw water from the Colorado River watershed. Water rights are determined and distributed under the Colorado River Compact. If California were to secede from the United States, it would be prohibited from membership in the Compact because, by law, states cannot enter compacts with foreign governments without consent of Congress.

The US would suffer the loss of a major agricultural center, sure, and maybe even suffer the loss of a few ports. But the US is a big place, and could repurpose other parts of the country to absorb the loss. The same can't be said for California and its water supply. If it comes down to a game of chicken wherein the US withholds water and Cali withholds agriculture, Cali will eventually lose.

Never mind California's wild political demographics. Trumpica doesn't start at the Arizona border. It starts the second you step foot outside of a major city.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

52. California is the sixth largest economy in the world. Mexico is the fifteenth largest economy in...

"...Never mind California's wild political demographics..."

-Act_of_Reparation

You mean those scary people of color?



California is the sixth largest economy in the world. Mexico is the fifteenth largest economy in the world. We would do just fine in a loose confederation with Washington, Nevada, Oregon, and British Columbia (Canada).

Middle America needs the coasts a lot more than the coasts needs them.

To suggest the eastern and western seaboard nations couldn't form viable political entities is fanciful.

[Act_of_Reparation]

56. What the fuck?

You mean those scary people of color?

No, and I can't for the life of me discern how in the name of Jesus H. Baldheaded Christ you arrived at such an incredibly off-the-mark interpretation of the very simple idea put forth to you.

I'm talking about California Republicans. I would have thought that obvious, but apparently "political" and "racial" are synonyms in your neck of the woods. Who knew.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

57. In my fantastic scenario California Republicans would be given a chance to leave.

I don't see how they can like it here.

"...I'm talking about California Republicans. I would have thought that obvious, but apparently "political" and "racial" are synonyms in your neck of the woods. Who knew..."


Act_of_Reparation

Political party membership =/= demographics?

"... I would have thought that obvious, but apparently "political" and "racial" are synonyms in your neck of the woods. Who knew...."


Act_of_Reparation

Neck? what neck?

[Act_of_Reparation]

58. They haven't left yet.

Political party membership =/= demographics?

Yes. Crack open the closest dictionary and see for yourself.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

59. No mention of party

Demographic analysis can cover whole societies or groups defined by criteria such as education, nationality, religion, and ethnicity.

"...They haven't left yet..."

Act_of_Reparation

I suspect if they did they would come back shortly.

[Act_of_Reparation]

62. Which part is confusing to you?

Demographic analysis can cover whole societies or groups defined by criteria such as education, nationality, religion, and ethnicity.

The definition of "criteria", or the intended use of the phrase "such as"? Whatever your malfunction may be, this definition clearly doesn't say what you seem to think it does.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

63. Temper, temper, temper...

Temper, temper, temper...

"...Whatever your malfunction may be..."



Act_of_Reparation

You seem, well, apoplectic... Breathe...

[Act_of_Reparation]

64. If this thread is any indication, I wouldn't worry about what people seem to be to you.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

66. When I'm upset I go for a walk.

[Act_of_Reparation]

67. What happened today, then?

Bad weather?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

69. The weather is always great in So Cal.

Bad weather?

Act_of_Reparation

The weather is always great in So Cal.


Maybe the absence of great weather in you life is the source of your apoplexy.

[Auggie]

23. COW are water sufficient and do not depend on supplies from other states

besides, what we save on defense spending will expand renewable energy used to desalinate the Pacific Ocean.

My pipe dream. Talk of succession is a waste of time. We're in this with the rest of country.

[Mendocino]

48. CA and the Colorado River

CA takes a lions share of this water, 4.40 million acre feet a year. Despite having the second lowest of river frontage of all the Colorado River Compact states and nearly no viable return of water to the CO watershed.

[pokerfan]

43. We have a river here in Washington

called Columbia. We'll work something out.

[jalan48]

22. Absolutely.

Cascadia works for me.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. CA, NV, OR, and WA are all contiguous. We can form loose confederations with Canada and Mexico.

[jalan48]

25. Yep. British Columbia would be a natural ally.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. As would Mexico.

We get Silicon Valley, Hollywood, Vegas, the Port Of Los Angeles, and lush farmlands.

We could build a beautiful racially diverse social democracy.

[jalan48]

31. As a people we have become so afraid.

It would be great to live in a place where people thought more positively about working together, as a real community, instead of competing with one another for scraps. Global Capitalism does more harm than just environmental damage, it poisons the relationships between humans. It turns us into self-centered competitors, willing to push others into the gutter to stay afloat.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

32. There would still be markets and trade.

However there would be a robust safety net and a commitment to eliminating abject poverty.

We would be more like, say, Canada.

[metroins]

28. Can you bring Texas?

We will be your army of defense with all of our guns.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. In twenty years. I don't think they want to be part of our experiment yet.

[TheBlackAdder]

2. No, that means NJ & NY will have to bail out the socialist-loving Red States even more than we do.

.


New Jersey is the #1 donor to those "socialist-loving" Red States, giving $31 Billion, more than state budget.

California is #2 and NY is #3.



Without California, how will the Red States survive? They won't have your sugar daddy state to bail them out!


.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. We should get a proposition on the ballot to add this language to our Constitution

The Republic of California rejects all forms of bigotry and welcomes all who are escaping from it.

[barbtries]

3. i'm going home.

i gotta go home!

[Ligyron]

5. I really wish I could move to Cali.

I'm too old and apparently too poor to do so, lol.

Unless anyone has a spare basement...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. Maybe I see my adopted state through rose colored glasses.

Is there racial tension? Yes. Are there parts of the city that I would be afraid to go? Yes, but that is true of any major city in any country. There are always going to be knuckleheads who don't want to get along.

OTOH, if you go to a mall or store or restaurant you will see folks of all races, nationalities, religions, and gender orientations mixing and getting along. We bask in our diversity.

[Ligyron]

14. Every time I go to Cali, and I've gone a lot, I'm always impressed by how nice everyone is.

The whole west coast seems to be like that. Oh, sure, there are jerks but compared to many places it's not even close.

When things get bad, I hope the whole West coast succeeds. It will bankrupt flyover country.

I think Sessions, if he gets in, will go after weed and that may be the kick off.

I'm about half serious here.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. I was born in NYC, raised in FL.

I am so disappointed in my former state. I really thought Hillary's moderate liberalism was a great fit for it.

I see Rick Scott wants to run against Bill Nelson. Bill Nelson temperamentally and politically is a great fit for FL. He should be able to beat Rick Scott handily. But Trump's win in FL makes me challenge everything I thought I knew about the state I was raised in.

[Ligyron]

19. I'm from FL myself and am here now on the Southeastern coast.

As you know, it's a strange mix statewide of NYC liberal and southern idiocy plus more Latinos all the time. Hard to gauge what's going on exactly but we know there's some GOP funny business always in play.

I wouldn't be surprised if Hills hadn't actually won here,. but...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. I lived mostly in Orlando but graduated from North Miami Beach Senior High School.

I hope Scott doesn't beat Nelson. I don't think he can. Nelson is pretty popular.

[stopbush]

27. There are no basements in CA...

[ileus]

9. Why would California need Mexico?

[ericson00]

10. while I doubt the electoral college will go away totally, I do think potentially

amending it so that if the margin of popular vote victory for one candidate is greater than 2% nationally, the EC gets cancelled out. The GOP knows full well that some day, a Democrat could win the EC while losing the popular vote, like had John Kerry won Ohio in 2004. A case could be made the preserving the EC until 2% keeps the incentive to engage both rural and urban/suburban, but that democracy doesn't just go out of the window.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. 50,000 or so votes in OH and HI and Ford would have beat Carter despite losing the pop vote by ...

50,000 or so votes in OH and HI and Ford would have beat Carter despite losing the pop vote by 1m.

The E C is a mess !!!

[libtodeath]

30. The stupid states will never allow it.

[safeinOhio]

13. Great

I may have to live in a beat up old trailer out in the desert on the far East side, but I'd do it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. Trump is very unpopular here.

He is doing worse than McCain, Romney, or any Republican.

[underpants]

21. Who here remembers in 2000 all the RED maps?

The talking point on the right (picked by MSM of course) was "Look at how much of the country voted for Bush!"

Dirt doesn't vote, people do. It makes no difference if the votes "are just coming from California" (RW talking point) it's still people.

[UTUSN]

33. Kicking nt/

[spanone]

34. imagine if trump had lost the EC vote but won PV by 2 and 1/2 million? lawsuits coast to coast

you were right dictator don, it is rigged....in your favor

[Coyotl]

35. Trump's projected popular vote deficit equals all the Clinton votes in 12 states:

In eleven states Trump won, the total of all the Trump votes is less than 2.5 million.

Clinton’s popular vote margin should reach 2.5 million, about 5x Kerry’s margin in 2004.

Final result will be Clinton wins popular vote by over 2.5 million if the same California percentages prevail as the current count.

Trump’s projected popular vote deficit equals all of Clinton’s votes in 12 states: WY, ND, AL, SD, MT, VT, WV, ID, DE, RI, HI, and NE.

Thirty states have fewer votes cast per state than Trump’s projected deficit of 2.5 million.

In eleven states Trump won, the seven state total vote is less than 2.5 million.

Seven states combined cast 2.3 million total votes (least first): WY, AK, DC, VT, ND, SD, and HI.

The exit polls draw a very different picture.
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[ecstatic]

36. And this is supposed to be a democracy? GMAFB!

We look like clowns right now. Over half the nation is still sickened by the idea of trump's "regime" (his words) taking control. What a joke disaster!

[WillowTree]

60. Who told you that? Never was a democracy.

The US is and always has been a republic by the intentional design of the framers of the Constitution.

[colsohlibgal]

37. The Electoral College Is A Republican Scam

All this BS that it makes it fairer for people in sparsely populated states is nonsense. Lawrence O'Donnell eviscerated that argument the other night. To wit.....Montana has about a million people and 3 electoral votes. If California had the same ratio it would have over a 100 electoral votes and so on and so on.

It always works in favor of the right. Think of the cost resulting from 2000! Why, after that, we did not go after this dinosaur hard is beyond me. This nation is founded on one person one vote and yet.....in any other nation the person with the most votes wins, but not necessarily here.

One more thing...we must get away from voting machines and get real about voting.

[OnlinePoker]

39. California would have 11 more EC votes

Currently, they get 55 votes. California has 12.2% of the population. 12.2% of the 538 EC votes is 66, not 100.

[philosslayer]

40. I agree

The Founding Fathers were clearly Republican plants.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

42. See Federalist 68

It was partly designed to prevent a demagogue from gaining power. It is obviously failing.

[lake loon]

55. Then it could work right now

... the the right people were in the "college."

[OnlinePoker]

38. As a Canadian...

How can they still be counting votes 2 weeks after the election took place? It boggles my mind that it can't be done in one night (or two at most).

[TubbersUK]

61. I've been wondering about that too n/t

[dsc]

68. they have vote by mail with the vote only having to be postmarked by election day

with a holiday only 3 days after that means a non trivial number of ballots could take a week or so to arrive.

[Dawson Leery]

41. kick

Scrap the EC.

[BainsBane]

44. That's about what the national polls said

Wild.

[mythology]

46. Hopefully all of the "polls were so off" nonsense can die off

[BootinUp]

45. The rust belt apparently needs a lot more education dollars. nt

[jimlup]

47. There is more going on in this election than meets the immediate review

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/23/hillary-clinton-election-vote-recount-michigan-pennsylvania-wisconsin

[workinclasszero]

49. Electronic votes were hacked by Russia

Computer scientists urge Clinton campaign to challenge election results
By Dan Merica, CNN Updated 10:23 PM ET, Tue November 22, 2016

(CNN)Hillary Clinton's campaign is being urged by a number of top computer scientists to call for a recount of vote totals in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, according to a source with knowledge of the request.

The computer scientists believe they have found evidence that vote totals in the three states could have been manipulated or hacked and presented their findings to top Clinton aides on a call last Thursday.

The scientists, among them J. Alex Halderman, the director of the University of Michigan Center for Computer Security and Society, told the Clinton campaign they believe there is a questionable trend of Clinton performing worse in counties that relied on electronic voting machines compared to paper ballots and optical scanners, according to the source.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/22/politics/hillary-clinton-challenge-results/index.html

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028299199

[Achilleaze]

51. Yes

[lonestarnot]

53. 2.5 million are owed an investigation of the hack and all the rest under the 2.5.

[Lotusflower70]

54. Consolation prize

That's nice but Captain Clueless is still driving his minions in the clown car.

[lovemydog]

65. I'd love to see a lot of people in blue states move to swing states

and vote for liberals.