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On Hamilton, Pence, and "this is why Trump won" (Original Post) bigtree Nov 2016 OP
thank you for this edhopper Nov 2016 #1
The Victim-Persecutor-Rescuer Cycle sunweaver Nov 2016 #2
wish I could "rec" this eShirl Nov 2016 #3
You got it! mountain grammy Nov 2016 #7
what does "not play" mean? Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #23
k&r eShirl Nov 2016 #4
Damn good advice. Let's all keep it in mind. (nt) Paladin Nov 2016 #5
As for fthe racist tag, we should respond: Baitball Blogger Nov 2016 #6
No, no and no mountain grammy Nov 2016 #8
Russians installed this motherfucker. He did not win and this will be thrown in their face for lonestarnot Nov 2016 #9
I will continue to call out racism, misogyny, bigotry and xeniphobia. I will not normalize it. (nt) ehrnst Nov 2016 #10
I wish this were all it really was. But it's not. Winning hearts and minds will keep us stuck in old ancianita Nov 2016 #11
This was a minimal coup. world wide wally Nov 2016 #12
Seems to be something missing. Are you referencing an article? Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2016 #13
I think the OP is referring to the newest right wing meme.. NeoConsSuck Nov 2016 #14
It says "On..." Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2016 #19
"On" *the subject of* is understood. Duppers Nov 2016 #21
That was my point. Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2016 #26
1000 smirkymonkey Nov 2016 #15
I'm not stupid, just ornery today......but I have no idea....... mrmpa Nov 2016 #16
No, that is NOT the message of this OP. raging moderate Nov 2016 #17
Thank you...not so ornery today....n/t mrmpa Nov 2016 #24
Okay, but Thekaspervote Nov 2016 #18
And "can not be sustained" means what? Duppers Nov 2016 #22
A jerk at work once told my boss: "I have to talk to her like that. It's the only thing that works." lindysalsagal Nov 2016 #20
Sorry bigtree, but dumpster didn't win. lonestarnot Nov 2016 #25

sunweaver

(75 posts)
2. The Victim-Persecutor-Rescuer Cycle
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 11:03 AM
Nov 2016

If you get caught with a manipulator in the Victim-Persecutor-Rescuer Cycle that person will always win.

As persecutor, they make you into a victim, and then they can turn around act as your rescuer.

If you resist, they become the victim, and force you into the rescuer role.

The only way out is to not play.

Kudos for the response from the cast of Hamilton - they stayed disengaged.

Baitball Blogger

(46,716 posts)
6. As for fthe racist tag, we should respond:
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 11:26 AM
Nov 2016

Double-standards are the evidence of racism. And they have a lot of them.

mountain grammy

(26,622 posts)
8. No, no and no
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 12:16 PM
Nov 2016

For one thing, trump didn't win, so there's that and so much more. We can be quiet when we are ready to accept the horror America will become. I, for one, am not ready.

 

lonestarnot

(77,097 posts)
9. Russians installed this motherfucker. He did not win and this will be thrown in their face for
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 12:32 PM
Nov 2016

allowing the installation to occur in the first place. They have delegitimized the United States government and that was the real goal.
I have survived abusive relationships and now will adapt to survive the authoritarian regime. Resist and subvert.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
10. I will continue to call out racism, misogyny, bigotry and xeniphobia. I will not normalize it. (nt)
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 01:06 PM
Nov 2016

ancianita

(36,060 posts)
11. I wish this were all it really was. But it's not. Winning hearts and minds will keep us stuck in old
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 01:15 PM
Nov 2016

school political minority status for good until we look hard at the structure that have been put in place to disenfranchise voters to the Republican advantage.

Remember the popular vote loss. We won them. Something else made them lose. We have to face that reality or they will always lose.

world wide wally

(21,744 posts)
12. This was a minimal coup.
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 01:43 PM
Nov 2016

There were enough ignorant voters to make it close enough for Comey to swing and for the Russians to put across the finish line.

NeoConsSuck

(2,544 posts)
14. I think the OP is referring to the newest right wing meme..
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 05:21 PM
Nov 2016

In fact, a right wing family relative posted on FB the exact same thing: He linked to a story of the Broadway/Pence story, with the exact same line, 'This is why Trump Won'.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
19. It says "On..."
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 09:38 PM
Nov 2016

which normally indicates that something on the subject will follow, not just the subject stated.

Apparently the OP was referring to this, https://twitter.com/JeremyMcLellan/status/799993649782063104, but didn't bothert to link to it or tell anything about it.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
26. That was my point.
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 02:01 AM
Nov 2016

Turns out the image with the content didn't load for me earlier, so the OP appeared to be woefully incomplete, rather than simply annoyingly incomplete--which it was by lacking a link.

mrmpa

(4,033 posts)
16. I'm not stupid, just ornery today......but I have no idea.......
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 07:06 PM
Nov 2016

what you are saying & or what you are asking people to do. Please explain.

If I'm being asked to keep my mouth shut......well there's no fucking way that's going to happen.

raging moderate

(4,305 posts)
17. No, that is NOT the message of this OP.
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 08:08 PM
Nov 2016

I am sure of that. The message is a warning that the Republicans will be trying to make us keep our mouths shut.

We are all so exhausted and so worried right now. It is easy to misunderstand. We need to give each other some slack, some benefit of the doubt.

Thekaspervote

(32,771 posts)
18. Okay, but
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 09:20 PM
Nov 2016

when the abuser is so over the top that even the smallest of barb makes him recoil it simply can not be sustained. That takes a LOT of psychological energy. the psyche, mind and body of even the most healthy balanced individuals will crumble, let alone someone like him!!!

Duppers

(28,123 posts)
22. And "can not be sustained" means what?
Mon Nov 21, 2016, 01:02 AM
Nov 2016

That he'll breakdown? All the better. Then we can work on getting rid of Pence, which may be tougher. However, part of his own party cannot stand him either.

It's all revolting.



lindysalsagal

(20,692 posts)
20. A jerk at work once told my boss: "I have to talk to her like that. It's the only thing that works."
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 11:07 PM
Nov 2016

Abusers always see it as their god-given duty to correct anyone who crosses their path. If you just acquiesce, then they'll stop, maybe.

But the crime of crossing them in any way must be punished. They never see that they are in control of their own choices: Someone else required correction. It had to be done. The abuser had no choice. The victim's behavior required punishment.

Yep: That's how all of the gop see their role: God chose them and so they got the most votes so they know everything and are infallible. Until they're caught and sent to jail...

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