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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWith Trump's Cabinet picks being so horrible I expect full Democratic obstruction. Nothing less.
Fuck this guy.
The GOP spent the last 8 years teaching us that obstructing the opposition politically is a noble cause.
I will not support any Democrat for office that co-operates in any way with the GOP and Trump.
Period.
Fuck their jobs program.
The GOP opposed any and every jobs program for the country for the last 8 years for Obama.
Now that they are in office and willing to end their blackmail we're supposed to support their jobs programs, loaded with other horrible riders and amendments of course?
FUCK THAT!
TOTAL FUCKING OBSTRUCTION!!
I think it's time Democrats fight Republicans the way Republicans fight Democrats.
We must make our elected reps fight this horror show in Washington.
If they won't fight then we have to replace them.
Imagine how much we could get done if Democrats were as afraid of their base as Republicans are of theirs?
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,854 posts)I don't have much faith left in the Dems in Congress.
TeamPooka
(24,255 posts)Even Eric Cantor wasn't safe for the GOP
We need to be like that.
If they are not fighting the GOP they are worthless to us so why keep them?
LenaBaby61
(6,977 posts)Sadly, I agree. They'll cave and give the GOP almost anything they want.
I'd love for them to prove me wrong though.
Doubt they will
Demsrule86
(68,675 posts)They are worse then the GOP because they give the GOP cover.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Plus look at that $174,000or whatever it is, salary for life.
TrishaJ
(798 posts)They should have never let George W. Bush* appoint Supreme Court Justices since his pResidency was enabled by said Court.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,771 posts)Kind of why I have been mostly absent from DU since it went back on line. I find it very difficult to support many Democrats these days, especially those who won't fight Trump.
MFM008
(19,818 posts)We will have to see who gets pissed off and what they are made of.
phallon
(260 posts)I feel like this country's Senate Dems better get some chops fast, but then, I remember that sell out Tom Daschel in 2001.
WhiteTara
(29,722 posts)the chief appeaser. He'll work with Drumpf on a $10 minimum wage among other issues. He betrayed us.
TeamPooka
(24,255 posts)WhiteTara
(29,722 posts)replaced by a Trumper. Work like hell for a challenger, but don't put another nail in the coffin. She can be persuaded. I know. I spent some months working with others on the headwaters forest and she started out in favor of logging it all to actually sponsoring the bill to save it.
TeamPooka
(24,255 posts)the top two vote getters in the primaries to move forward, regardless of party affiliation.
We wind up with two Democratic choices most of the time now.
So even if she wins a primary she'll probably have to take on a Dem in the GE like Harris did with Sanchez this year.
The best thing would be to defeat her in the primary because she such a huge DINO that a lot of Republicans vote for her every time.
WhiteTara
(29,722 posts)and I rail against her republican ways all the time and her Bechtel husband, et al.
Maven
(10,533 posts)WhiteTara
(29,722 posts)I really say, Fuck him.
I got a hide during the primaries for saying that about the super hero; wonder what will happen now. My white hot rage spurs me to call his office each day and tell them how much I hate him.
I resent the fact that he is not a democrat, refuses to join our party, but now he is pushing the levers of power in our party. I don't know if I should call the DNC and tell them that if this is not the Democratic Party, why should I belong and work for it and give money to it, if we are not governing ourselves. But, I'm probably just a sore loser....along with all the losers of the planet who will be deeply impacted by this election.
Doremus
(7,261 posts)Why does it matter so much what letter follows his name if his votes are all in the correct column?
BTW, if he's "pushing the levers of power" there's a reason.
elleng
(131,107 posts)and it's about time this is recognized.
Obstruction for obstruction's sake is a repug way to do business, but NOT a progressive and Democratic way.
WhiteTara
(29,722 posts)elleng
(131,107 posts)and we have to recognize it when it happens.
WhiteTara
(29,722 posts)it was $15 or you are a corporate whore...but as someone noted earlier, the goalposts move once again.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Is today's progressive hero!
WhiteTara
(29,722 posts)back at you
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Demsrule86
(68,675 posts)internment camps...you can not work with someone who plans to jail women who have abortions and gay folks...and yes one of the guys he wants for SCOTUS believes gays should be jailed...he is evil. This is no ordinary GOP...the Germans thought they could work with Hitler but in the end ,he devoured them. If you believe the GOP would give us anything, then you see a different GOP then I do.
Alittleliberal
(528 posts)The people that elected Trump don't give a fuck what the Dems do. When we were looking a president that is beholden to people who support the minimum wage you have a position of power to leverage on behalf of the people. We don't have that anymore. Why don't you get that?
WhiteTara
(29,722 posts)to all the BoBers and Trumpers and non voters and believers that Hillary was the very devil gave us this. And too bad white people are such racists and sexists and xenophobes and homophobes they made this happen. And your proud Bernie logo makes me think you were a helper. Forgive me if you voted for Hillary.
Alittleliberal
(528 posts)Due solely to her much better position in Enviormental issues. I also convinced people who were BoBs that they had done the first part of a muck racking Job on Clinton without the follow up and a handful ended up changing their minds and voting for Clinton. Put your haunches down or we are going to get slaughtered for the next 4 decades.
WhiteTara
(29,722 posts)Skittles
(153,193 posts)*NOT*
dhol82
(9,353 posts)Wasn't that where everybody was going?
Even though it should be, at this point in time, $20/hr?
MattP
(3,304 posts)The best we hope for is a couple sane Republicans but even then we have right wing Dems that will flip
TeamPooka
(24,255 posts)Everything the GOP does must be by them alone.
No collaborators.
phallon
(260 posts)how did the Republicans put holds on O's appointments?
MattP
(3,304 posts)WhiteTara
(29,722 posts)there are no pills that let us be in a coma for 4 years
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,505 posts)TeamPooka
(24,255 posts)WhiteTara
(29,722 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)TeamPooka
(24,255 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)librechik
(30,676 posts)not gonna happen.
pnwmom
(108,995 posts)might not be the best approach, according to someone who lived under a similar autocratic regime in Italy.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/18/opinion/the-right-way-to-resist-trump.html
Five years ago, I warned about the risk of a Donald J. Trump presidency. Most people laughed. They thought it inconceivable.
I was not particularly prescient; I come from Italy, and I had already seen this movie, starring Silvio Berlusconi, who led the Italian government as prime minister for a total of nine years between 1994 and 2011. I knew how it could unfold.
Now that Mr. Trump has been elected president, the Berlusconi parallel could offer an important lesson in how to avoid transforming a razor-thin victory into a two-decade affair. If you think presidential term limits and Mr. Trumps age could save the country from that fate, think again. His tenure could easily turn into a Trump dynasty.
Mr. Berlusconi was able to govern Italy for as long as he did mostly thanks to the incompetence of his opposition. It was so rabidly obsessed with his personality that any substantive political debate disappeared; it focused only on personal attacks, the effect of which was to increase Mr. Berlusconis popularity. His secret was an ability to set off a Pavlovian reaction among his leftist opponents, which engendered instantaneous sympathy in most moderate voters. Mr. Trump is no different.
SNIP
elleng
(131,107 posts)that any substantive political debate disappeared; it focused only on personal attacks, the effect of which was to increase Mr. Berlusconis popularity. His secret was an ability to set off a Pavlovian reaction among his leftist opponents.'
pnwmom
(108,995 posts)'The Italian experience provides a blueprint for how to defeat Mr. Trump. Only two men in Italy have won an electoral competition against Mr. Berlusconi: Romano Prodi and the current prime minister, Matteo Renzi (albeit only in a 2014 European election). Both of them treated Mr. Berlusconi as an ordinary opponent. They focused on the issues, not on his character. In different ways, both of them are seen as outsiders, not as members of what in Italy is defined as the political caste.
The Democratic Party should learn this lesson. It should not do as the Republicans did after President Obama was elected. Their preconceived opposition to any of his initiatives poisoned the Washington well, fueling the anti-establishment reaction (even if it was a successful electoral strategy for the party). There are plenty of Trump proposals that Democrats can agree with, like new infrastructure investments. Most Democrats, including politicians like Mrs. Clinton and Bernie Sanders and economists like Lawrence Summers and Paul Krugman, have pushed the idea of infrastructure as a way to increase demand and to expand employment among non-college-educated workers. Some details might be different from a Republican plan, but it will add credibility to the Democratic opposition if it tries to find the points in common, not just differences.
And an opposition focused on personality would crown Mr. Trump as the peoples leader of the fight against the Washington caste. It would also weaken the opposition voice on the issues, where it is important to conduct a battle of principles.'
P.S. I'm thinking of visiting Italy, sooner rather than later!
TeamPooka
(24,255 posts)forth a clean jobs bill or the like at any time not loaded with riders and amendments for their other pet projects like outlawing abortion or any other things?
Please.
They couldn't put forth a clean bill for anything so we get to pick the secret fuck you in each bill and vote against it, filibuster it on principle.
If you're saying Democrats won't stop him, that's one thing but if you're saying they can't stop him that's not really true.
elleng
(131,107 posts)but quoting an informative article.
We shall have to wait for what's 'true' and 'feasible.'
kebob
(499 posts)But I'm not expecting it.
spanone
(135,875 posts)a word the media NEVER used for eight years while Obama was president.
lpbk2713
(42,766 posts)maybe that will be one vote we don't have to worry about?
Solly Mack
(90,787 posts)But I'd be happy to be wrong.
lark
(23,156 posts)Mike Manchen (not sure of last name) from WV is a total Repug dressed in D clothing and he has already said how he's looking forward to working with Drumpf and his congressional minions. I'm hoping that every other D, with the exception of this turncoat, votes NO on EVERY SINGLE BILL/NOMINATION/PROPOSAL from the Repugs. Give them their own medicine. They are going to make judicial appts. filisbuster proof, fucking us over for generations to come, so fuck them back. Sorry for the language, but these are not ordinary times or ordinary circumstances when Russia and the FBI collude to put the orange Hitler in charge of destroying the middle class.
TeamPooka
(24,255 posts)lark
(23,156 posts)Their choice of Schumer as Minority Lead just shows how spineless they are. He wouldn't even stand up to Alito or Roberts for SCOTUS, he'll complain but do nothing to impede Drumpf unless he gets a miracle addaspine to me operation and that's not very likely. Wondering if he'll do the right thing and really push Dems to vote no in unison on the ACA and Medicare destroying bill that Ryan says will come out of the House immediately after the takeover.
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)On a purely self satisfying level, I want to see the Senate Democrats filibuster the most times that's ever been done in history.
However, we're screwed. They have the house. They have a very slim majority in the Senate, they have the presidency. That limp prick McConnell, and Cornyn are already threatening to go nuclear.
This is bad... REALLY bad. I don't think most have even considered how bad this can end up being.
Right now, they are just itching for a reason to go nuclear and eliminate the filibuster, and once they do.. to paraphrase Elmer Fudd... it's liberal season.
When it comes to the SCOTUS.. Everyone's assuming that President Orangutan will fill Scalia's seat and be done with it. Consider this though.. Senate Republicans steamroll the filibuster, and Trump just goes ahead and throws in 2.. 3.. or even 4 picks completely lop siding the SCOTUS. They will already have the AG's office, and can just not defend existing cases as they choose.
Goodbye Planned Parenthood, with their more senior members being imprisoned.
Goodbye Roe vs Wade, and all rights of choice.
Goodbye Gay marriage. Hello mandatory conversion therapy, or prison for all of us married gays who have filed taxes jointly, and everyone else who they can pin down on record as being GLBT+
Hello concentration camps for muslims who are part of an imagined threat to national security.
Hello new wave of gerrymandering. Voter suppression? Well, I can see a national registry that has to approve who can and can't vote in elections. It won't include the interred muslims, the deported, us GLBTQ+'s, you were identified in a protest against trump? Your voting privilege is revoked (notice I said privilege and not "right", I can forsee voting no longer being a "right" but a "privilege"
How realistic is this? I honestly don't know, but having seen how they took this election, and how "empowered" they feel they are, and with their numbers in 2 of the 3 branches of government how empowered they actually are.. it's definitely not entirely unrealistic that's for certain.
Bear Creek
(883 posts)Samuel L Jackson characters Mace Windu quote before he gets killed.
Chakab
(1,727 posts)mtngirl47
(991 posts)To call key Democrats in the Senate every time an important issue arises.
Unfortunately I'm in NC and we don't have a Democratic Senator....and my Representative is Republican. So, I will have the phone numbers for Schumer, et al. right on my desk top and call every day.
Phone calls get attention---not emails, not snail mail. Get on the phone EVERY time and make them filibuster and at least have our voices heard.
The media only likes entertaining news so our Democratic Senators need to think up entertaining ways to have our voices heard... you know like sit-ins and reading "Green Eggs and Ham!"
kydo
(2,679 posts)Face it. We are
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and then we are FUCKED some more!
It will never end. The orange beast has kids. We are Fucked for ever! Game over dude! Can we go home now?
Demsrule86
(68,675 posts)That is what I have been saying on the Bernie Sanders is working with Trump thread...do not work with Trump period...no one should work with Trump...and I have called all my elected and warned them...not only will I not vote for them...but I will work to primary them and if that doesn't work vote for their opponent...no no no working with Trump...that is a fucking weak and pointless thing to dol...and it makes us a party to his evil.
spanone
(135,875 posts)24/7/365
and they will capitulate
treestar
(82,383 posts)Use every procedural lever there is, just like the Republicans did.