With the object of hate that spawned them gone, JPR descends into an existential squabble

[stevenleser]

http://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/ch-ch-ch-ch-changes/

Now that the election’s over, we think that the battle lines are clear: JPR is a site for Progressives, Trump ain’t a Progressive, so Trump is on the other side of the battle lines from us. Henceforth, posts that praise Trump in a general way will likely go into the void. But it’s OK to praise something specific that’s connected to Trump, like his putative student loan repayment plan.

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sabrina (4258 posts) (Reply to Octafish - post #5) November 17, 2016 at 9:15 pm
72. So the DU infiltration of trolls WON?? Did TM99 step down or did the DU triolls

succeed in getting him off the site? Would you like ME to step down Manny? Just say so, but when you make that decision, do not speak for me I will speak for me as I have always done.

As far as I know, TM99 was not informed that of what you are claiming. I want to be clear, if you want me to step down please make that request public.

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Crabby Abbey (501 posts) (Reply to sabrina - post #72) November 17, 2016 at 9:17 pm
74. Yeah, this sounds a lot like censorship. Isn't that what we all came here

to avoid? I did!

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Post Removed (626 posts) (Reply to sabrina - post #72) November 17, 2016 at 9:23 pm
76. I think mods should be elected by popular vote.

Anywho I nominate

TM99

sabrina

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ThinkingANew (496 posts) (Reply to jwirr - post #3) November 17, 2016 at 7:46 pm
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24. There are people already threatening others here with the "new rules"

For reporting a relevant tweet that Trump put out.

[boston bean]

1. LOL. And I've spent the better part of the last 6 years fighting with these creeps here..

My god.. good riddance to them all.

[stevenleser]

2. Agreed, the key is not letting them come back and fill this site with their toxicity.

I just had an argument with one of them here and fellow DUers hid one of their more nasty posts.

That needs to happen every time they pull their BS.

[kcr]

22. Yes. Good riddance to them.

Their departure made DU so much better. I think they're much less tolerated here than they once were.

[ismnotwasm]

51. Yes, yes yes

Please God let them stay there

[DURHAM D]

3. I am so confused.

I don't read there.

It looks like the alt-left is arguing with the alt-right.

Do I have it backwards? Is it actually the alt-right arguing with the alt-left?

[stevenleser]

5. They are confused about who they are without hate so your confusion is understandable

Their hate convinced some of them, so called progressives, mind you, that Trump was preferable to Hillary. Some of them didn't go there but supported Stein.

All of that was fine while the election was going on because the one thing that united them was hate of Hillary.

With Hillary suddenly gone, those who want to support Trump and those who supported Stein cannot possibly coexist. Now they all have to figure out who they are without their hate and they have been hating so long they don't remember and as that starts to fade they are all realizing they dont have that much in common, which is causing fights.

Hard to tell who is alt-right and who is alt-left, but the one unifying factor they had is now gone.

[NBachers]

76. Good explanation to those of us who remember them, but haven't ventured over to JPR.

[Hortensis]

79. Yes. We've seen all along that the "alt-left's" hostility

is strongly focused on the mainstream left (i.e., liberals) and the Democratic Party, not against the right. They split on just which opposing candidate to best express their hostility-ballooned-to-hate through.

JPR does also, of course, have a conservative faction. And, also of course, the alt-left and alt-right personalities have far more in common with each other than with mainstream personality types. Do I like Trump or Stein? Hmmm....

[fleabiscuit]

70. Yes

[Renew Deal]

78. Many of them turned out to be Trump supporters

And the people running that site tolerated it. If they come down on it they cut out at least half their posters.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

4. Bunch of brainless followers.

They followed the Bernie or Bust train, then transitioned into Trumpville, and now it's changing again and they're unsure of what to do. Not a single original thought amongst the group.

[Wilms]

28. Tell me more about the train that transitioned into Trumpville. n/t

[Dr Hobbitstein]

29. Yes, we know you like it over there. nt

[Wilms]

30. Actually, I do appreciate the many informative posts there.

Just like DU. In fact, some people do excellent work on both sites. Sure, I could pick out the stupidests posts on JPR or DU and say that it's representative of the lot. But that's not how I operate.

I did learn a lot reading through Podesta's email that were linked there. Fascinating stuff. Have you read Podest's email? You OK with that kind of behavior??

[Dr Hobbitstein]

31. Really, you find it informative over there?

Tons of links to RT and wikileaks, which have been debunked many times. Links to RW sites. Not to mention the Trump humping.

Very informative indeed.

What's your obsession with Podesta, anyhow?

Did you vote for Hillary?

[Wilms]

33. wikileaks has been debunked?

I missed that. Do you have a link?

I have a problem with Podesta. Yes. You should too. It's people of his ilk that help us lose elections. I'll ask again. Have you read any of his email?

[Dr Hobbitstein]

35. Wikileaks doctored a lot of what they released.

Either they did, or the Russian hackers who supplied it did.

I'll ask again: did you vote for Hillary?

[Wilms]

37. I was not aware that either of your claims have been established.

Have you a link for either of your claims??

[Dr Hobbitstein]

38. Hey, you wanna believe an antisemitic rapist who's site is full of virus and malware?

So be it.

Did you vote for Hillary?

[Dr Hobbitstein]

40. How about this?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/7/26/1552616/-Russian-Hackers-Altered-Emails-Before-Release-to-Wikileaks

[Wilms]

42. I skipped that and went to the Motherboard article it referrenced.

Quite an article, actually. So thanks for the DK link that led me there.

But even they comment...

Although so far the actual content of the leaked documents appears not to have been tampered with, manipulation would fit an established pattern of operational behaviour in other contexts, such as troll farms or planting fake media stories.

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/all-signs-point-to-russia-being-behind-the-dnc-hack

[Dr Hobbitstein]

43. Weren't you just recently railing how it wasn't Russia behind the hack?

Are you now saying that they were?

Did you vote for Hillary?

[Wilms]

44. I am not saying that, at all.

You seems to read things that aren't there.

I have not claimed that they did or did not. I have merely pointed out that there are plenty of interests willing to say one thing or another.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

45. Uh-huh.

Did you vote for Hillary?

I don't think you did. Especially if you hang out at JPR and lap up the racist spew of WillyT and the anti-Democratic bullshit pushed by Manny "I Voted For Ronald Reagan and don't regret it" Goldstein.

[Wilms]

47. Gee, Doc. You seem to have a hard time discussing ideas.

And you seem comfortable with personal attacks.

Why you wanna be like that??

[Dr Hobbitstein]

48. Why do you defend Russia and Julian Assange everytime they come up?

Why did you start attacking me when we were discussing the deplorables over at JPR?

Don't cry victim, because you're not.

[Wilms]

49. Please point out where I attacked you?

And tell me where you see me defending Putin and Assange. That's your read. I advocate peace and transparency and freedom from corruption. Please understand.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

50. Cool story, Wilms.

You are very transparent. You defend Russia and Putin EVERYTIME they are attacked. You defend Assange and Wikileaks everytime they are attacked. And now you are defending a site that is the ANTITHESIS of what DU is.

And I'm willing to bet you didn't vote for Hillary.

You want to talk about issues? How about the issue of Russia hacking DNC emails? That's an issue I've talked about and many others here have. What do you have to say about it?

Oh yeah, that's right. You ridiculed those who talked about that. Good day, sir.

[Wilms]

54. JPR is the antithesis of DU??

Really? That seems a bit extreme, Doc.

I told you what I advocate. Perhaps it is not your cup of tea.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

55. Supporting Trump is the antithesis of DU.

Many at JPR supported Trump, and it was OK to support him openly.
Posting hit pieces on Democrats from right wing sources is OK at JPR

THAT is the antithesis of DU.

I know what you advocate: Russia good, USA bad.

[Wilms]

56. Again, some posters doing that make it representitve??

You complained upthread about Manny, but he gave Trumpers the boot.

More cognitive dissonance for ya, Doc. And there's is only one cure.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

57. The fact that it was allowed and encouraged is representative.

Manny is a POS troll that was banned from this site for encouraging others to vote against Democrats. He happily voted for Reagan, and regretted voting for Obama. That is representative of the trash over at JPR.

Cognitive dissonance, my ass.

[Wilms]

58. Hardly the case.

And it was interesting to watch Trump supporters dealt with in an intelligent way.

[Demsrule86]

93. There are no intelligent Trump supporters...

[Demsrule86]

81. Yes it is...anyone who supports Trump or thought he was the better

choice in the past election is the antithesis of what DU is about. Trump wants to round people up ...Muslims...and I saw folks basically say ah well no big deal at JPR...yes I go over and read the awful posts there and shake my head in sorrow.

[sheshe2]

101. Gee...

You seem to have a hard time answering a question.

Never mind, your non answer is the answer.

[stevenleser]

68. Tell your interlocutor that Colbert exposed Assange re: "Collateral Murder" as a hack

See http://www.cc.com/video-clips/5mdm7i/the-colbert-report-exclusive---julian-assange-extended-interview

and http://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-mitchell/stephen-colbert-vs-julian_b_816197.html

[Dr Hobbitstein]

87. My interlocutor was served a pizza. nt

[stevenleser]

105. Well deserved. I'm only sorry they weren't pied. nt

[La Lioness Priyanka]

71. Yes, I was fine with podesta's emails

[Demsrule86]

80. One thing they all have in common at JPR is they hate

Democrats and this site.

[JTFrog]

85. Tell me more about why you've been PPR'd. nt

[Skinner]

6. Wait until they find out that I've been the secret owner of JPR all along.

During the election it seemed to make good business sense to provide a separate space for disaffected progressives who couldn't support Hillary Clinton. It was really a win-win for everyone. But I can't take the thought of running a full-on pro-Trump website for the next four-to-eight years.

[stevenleser]

8. LOL! Skinner for the win.

Megatrolling JPR!

[DURHAM D]

11. Have you linked to Skinner's post over there? nt

[stevenleser]

14. Oh I do not have an account there. I wouldn't ever sign up even under an assumed name.

I want zero association with a hate site like that.

[seaglass]

16. Seriously though, they believe any conspiracy - this would push them over the cliff.

Oh and btw TM99 voted for Trump - surprise surprise.

[R B Garr]

36. TM99 also has never voted for a Democrat. He gave himself away here during

several exchanges, mostly when he used terms for Democrats that didn't exist at the time period he was referencing.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

63. I remember TM99 all too well

He and a few of his fellow trolls savaged a woman on DU who had a family member who was addicted to opiates. She was looking for support but all they cared about was that she had a Hillary banner.

It was very sad and pathetic.

[R B Garr]

65. That's horrible. I saw references to it but I don't think I saw the actual thread.

Actually I misspoke when I said he "mostly" gave himself away by mis-referencing Democrats. He gave himself away many times and in many ways. He really hates Democrats.

[LostOne4Ever]

99. He also tried to claim asexuality wasn't proven to an asexual..and he "claims" to be a sexologist.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026275373

[Demsrule86]

82. Yes...trump troll or Russian troll... but not progressive.

[DURHAM D]

9. For real???

Or, are you just messing with them?

[BainsBane]

21. It's a joke. Nt

[DURHAM D]

25. No...let it be true.

Please let it be true.

I have thought for awhile that skinner is actually sabrina. I know she proudly posts at the Cave.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

10. Ohhhhhhh ... that'll set their hair on fire!

LOLLLLLLL

[SecularMotion]

12. "I can't take the thought of running a full-on pro-Trump website for the next four-to-eight year"

Does that mean Discussionist.com will remain dormant?

[tammywammy]

13. Ha

[seaglass]

15. OMG this is the first laugh I've had since election day. :-) Thanks! n/t

[Maven]

17. !!!

[Sunriser13]

18. Say what??

Seriously?

This would indeed be ironic - and make some heads explode!

I can see it now:

[lonestarnot]

20. Doooooough! That be rich! LOL

Sneaky little shit you.

[Scurrilous]

26. LOL

[DemonGoddess]

34. bwahahahaha

[herding cats]

53. Some people are saying that you were the one who created the site.

At least that's rumor I've read on the internet.

[leftofcool]

59. OMG! You win the day!

[Lucinda]

60. O.o

[CottonBear]

61. Ha! LOL!

Really?!?!?

[Hekate]

62. Oh no you dint

[Warren DeMontague]

69. Now THAT is an entrance.

That's how you do it, folks.

[ismnotwasm]

73. We promised we wouldn't tell.

Sid especially promised

[andym]

74. In "1984" Emmanuel Goldstein was the object of two minutes of hate

as a traitor to Big Brother and creator of the opposition Brotherhood. But it was left ambiguous whether he actually existed or was the creation of Big Brother himself. Manny Goldstein would be a diminutive form of that character's name.

[AgadorSparticus]

75. That would be hilarious!!

[JTFrog]

88. Thanks for the laugh. nt

[sheshe2]

102. ...

[SaveOurDemocracy]

7. Ugh...

I looked in there a few times while DU was down. There was so much hatred and vitriol expressed toward Hillary and sheer joy about Trump's win I left thinking Freeperville was a step-up from that place. It was eye-opening to see some poster names that I once considered allies.

My opinion is that it is a hideous site filled with delusional pathetic haters. May they reap the rewards of all their vile hated.

[NurseJackie]

19. This is great! Highly amusing!

[NCTraveler]

23. They spew more hate than those at freepville.

Truly a disgusting lot. No way they don't tear each other apart. With it all being about self to them, they have no way to respect one and other in any way.

[MineralMan]

24. It appears that its reason for being no longer exists.

It will probably be gone soon, or simply succumb to attrition.

[sufrommich]

27. It will go the way all those other PUMA sites went,

into a well deserved oblivion.

[still_one]

32. The only thing I know is those over their are responsible for trump being elected, because

they were part of the supposedly self-identified progressives who refused to vote for Hillary. They have absolutely no standing or credibility in any criticism they have of trump, because they helped him win. They are responsible for putting women's rights, civil rights, labor rights, the environment, and the world at risk because of their actions.

They should be hanging their heads in shame

[DemonGoddess]

39. This!!!

completely agree!

[eShirl]

41. Some might consider it "mission accomplished."

[radical noodle]

103. Yes!

There is anger everywhere at Bernie or Bust folks. They still fantasize about a revolution.

[randome]

46. They are like bees in a bottle, forever banging their little heads against glass walls.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[ralps]

52. Please Just Stop Dissing other websites!

[stevenleser]

64. No. Particularly given the history, this should be discussed here. nt

[Demsrule86]

96. No. but thanks for asking!

[beaglelover]

66. So weird that TM99 presented himself as a woman on Discussionist.

I also noticed while briefly reviewing that site that it appears to have attracted many of the Discussionist posters from both side of the aisles. So much for being a progressive site when you have idiot CONS posting there.

[mcar]

67. K&R

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

72. Kick

[Renew Deal]

77. That site is full of trump supporters including many former DU trolls by the same name

It will probably cut their membership in half

[aikoaiko]

83. Maybe some of the non-Trump supporting JPRs will come back to DU.

And collaborate on electing a liberal Democrat.

I would welcome that.

[seaglass]

84. Sure, if they voted for Hillary and support Democrats. I haven't seen much of that over there. n/t

[Demsrule86]

95. there are some here who posted at JPR (since taken down) that they would never vote for Hillary.

One who is here quite a bit said he/she would vote third party unless it was close in his/her swing state and then he would vote Trump. I want nothing to do with such people...who can overlook the true evil of Trump...and would put them on ignore if they came back. There is nothing I want to talk with them about.

[seaglass]

98. Oh yeah. There are a few that continued to post here after agreeing to the new TOS who tore Hillary

apart at JPR. I don't know who specifically you are talking about but I do know at least 2 have been PPR'd since we re-opened. Skinner reiterated when we came back that only people who voted for Hillary or supported her if ineligible to vote are welcome here.

I see no benefit in making nice with unreliable "allies." What happens the next time their candidate is not selected by the majority, they again go their own way? Who needs people like that?

[LostOne4Ever]

100. That was TM99. nt

[Demsrule86]

106. I am thinking of a different one...but yess he was one.

[JTFrog]

86. If you can find three, we will take them.

The rest of them can rot with the slime they enabled.

[stevenleser]

90. We're better off if they don't come back here

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That group is toxic.

[aikoaiko]

91. Maybe, but DU benefits from a diversity of lefty ideas even as we rally around Democratic pols

But no I don't to replicate JPR here. Setting the rules and boundaries works.

There was a Hillary supporter only web site that was also very toxic, but those folks generally didn't bring their toxicity back to DU when they posted here. They, like everyone else, has to adapt to DU rules.

[ismnotwasm]

92. Not to near the extent of JPR

Yeah we were pissed and venting and needed a haven, as many of us were long time DUers-- you should have seen my Facebook groups during the primary, it was mild compared to those-- but the "toxicity" of JPR is because it unfortunately attracted the less stable elements of DU as well as a significant number of trolls. Of course it's a fucking mess.

Several people noticed that fairly quickly and noped the fuck out of there early on--some came back here, some didn't. The ones that stayed through pro-Trump bullshit? They can stay over there, unless they bothered to point out how very shitty that was and is.

I don't look over there unless something has been brought to my attention, but even the "discussion topics" list was kind of sad. If it wasn't run by run by a major troll and at least one of the unstable people, it could perhaps, have been a great site, a helpful one. Now it's essentially useless bandwidth.

[Demsrule86]

94. They are not lefties although they like to pretend.

No true lefty would be ok with what is acceptable at JPR...electing Trump is what they helped do...and now they have a butthurt because they can't make pro-Trump posts. Good for JPR for doing that, but I will never forgive them for helping Trump. I go down there from time to time and amuse myself...there posters there who also post here...and Wilms is not alone.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

89. Anybody who likes RacistMcRacistFace sucks./nt

[R B Garr]

97. And notice how no one there is outraged that Donald is an actual 1% billionaire they

all claimed to hate. Not even Bernie has given Donald his rehearsed Bernie bingo talking points. Their phoniness is as sickening as usual.

[SidDithers]

104. They're already slinking back here...

Fuck 'em.

Sid