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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAfter this election, will you treat your friends - who supported Trump - any differently?
Is this election just politics as usual?
Or will you look at them with a dubious eye?
Or will it all depend on who wins the election?
Will everything return to normal after this election?
roamer65
(36,747 posts)If they persist with the fascism, it makes it difficult to interface with them.
putitinD
(1,551 posts)True_Blue
(3,063 posts)However there are coworkers which I now avoid like the plague.
I'm an African-American so no one that I know personally is a Republican.
Upin
(115 posts)In any case, that sounds bland in the extreme.
putitinD
(1,551 posts)of my friends happen to be republican, not that I couldn't have any republican friends, I just don't happen to know any.
Upin
(115 posts)I interpreted it in more of a screening process or conscious choice to only associate with like minded folks.
Cheers...
yellerpup
(12,254 posts)and they all support Hillary so I won't have to treat them differently. My family is another question, but I don't expect to treat them any differently, either.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)hlthe2b
(102,376 posts)opposed to Trump. If I came to know for certain that someone was supporting him, especially if I got wind that they made any comment even remotely approaching his level of misogyny/bigotry/ugliness, my future with them will be nill or at least one of passive aggression--i.e., whatever I am forced to do professionally or to avoid direct dealings with the person.
There are some who I strongly suspect have at least a family member or spouse supporting Trump who I chose to give benefit-of-the-doubt with--unless I am presented with evidence to the contrary (and I am not seeking that evidence).
ever talk to them again. They are either
1. Too stupid to see through him
2. LIKE what they see
apcalc
(4,465 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)Things will not be the same again. They have showed their true colors.
This isn't merely about having a different opinion or point of view.
mnhtnbb
(31,404 posts)with some friend/acquaintances on fb over their support for Trump and the thing that put me over the edge
was their pride in being included in the "basket of deplorables". Really. Why would anyone be proud to be
called bigoted, misogynistic, ignorant, xenophobic?
I guess I really didn't know these people at all.
still_one
(92,408 posts)TexasProgresive
(12,158 posts)I will not disrespect anyone even, especially, those whom I disagree. That is a road we humans have traveled often to disaster. I. will. not. let. the actions. of others, dictate. my behavior!
Hokie
(4,288 posts)Our relationship is cool. I never bring up politics. Even though we live a few miles apart I am never invited over to his house. During the Clinton impeachment nonsense he told me in front of several other people that "I wasn't his brother any more" because I thought the impeachment of President was wrong. he apologized several months later by email.
I am sure he supports Trump because he has hated the Clintons for years but I don't even ask. I occasionally communicate via text and we by each other lunch on our birthday's. i have a fairly large family and he has pretty much done separated from my siblings too. It is sad.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)differently since I firmly believe that Trump-supporters, despite all the ugliness of this guy, support him for ONE reason only - RACISM.
Birtherism (racism against Barack Obama) was what launched Trump's political 'stardom'. Then it was "the WALL!!!" and "we'll make Mexico pay for it!" that won him the primaries.
Trump supporters are, first and foremost, racists. Then they're bigots, xenophobes, and last but never least, women-haters (even the women). They're also unpatriotic.
So yeah, if I had Trump supporters as friends, I'd definitely treat them differently, as if they had the bubonic plague.
Well said. That's how I feel as a hispanic woman.
How can you be friendly with someone who essentially voted that you not have the same rights as white men?
It's inexcusable.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)I'm Asian-American (sometimes mistaken for Chinese, Filipino, or of Latino heritage) and have been discriminated against both as a Person of Color and a woman in this country.
My Dutch, blond, blue-eyed husband, born and raised in The Netherlands, has never been asked, "Where are you from?" Unless they ask about his accent, and then he's asked, "Are you from New York or New Jersey?"
So there is absolutely NO WAY I'd be able to be friends with someone who comes out as a Trump supporter because it tells me how they really think of me, despite the fact that I am a proud American, born in California in the City of Burbank.
sarae
(3,284 posts)I'm like you, but the other way around! People often think I'm Chinese (I think they say Chinese when they mean "some type of Asian", lol); they're usually surprised to hear that my family is Argentinian/hispanic.
Growing up in the South, a lot of people had very odd ideas about foreigners. I remember a girl asking me, with a sneer, if my extended family in Argentina lived "in huts". I told her that no, my family lived in Buenos Aires, a much bigger city than the American one we lived in (Atlanta).
Crap like that always made me feel like I wasn't a "real American," even though I was born here. I was so thrilled and happy when Obama was elected because I thought maybe that was the proof that Americans had started becoming more open-minded. I felt like the country was finally getting to a point where the idea of an American is much more inclusive...and here comes Donald fucking Trump to take us back to the '50s.
world wide wally
(21,755 posts)I think a lot of us will see Trump voters in a diminished light because of his sociopathic behavior. I also think we can never forget how close we are to living in a fascistic country and be wary of that very thing in the future
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Recently decided their teenage kid couldn't be friends with mine anymore because mine came out as gay. Yeah, that's the kind of people trump supporters are.
I don't have to worry about it. No trump-supporting friends anymore.
Paladin
(28,273 posts)sarae
(3,284 posts)so it won't be an issue, thankfully.
I can imagine it would be difficult to remain friendly with people who support this monster.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)comes to our bb ques actually and YES I WILL!!!! As he treats me now. Definite cooling toward me, so his loss and neighbors otherwise say they are voting Hillary. Ain't never going to be any of that "turn the other cheek" shit, ever again in amerikkka, from me. Any clown look at me sideways, fuck them. I know what a huge number of amerikkkans feel about me and other people trying to accept all as just human and struggling to make some sense of this existence now, and in this day and age of instant connection that hate can never be swept under the rug again. Amerikkka you have shown the world your stained, stinking underwear and that stain and stink will never come out.
Amerikkka with a large white nationalist/supremacist Party. Who woulda thunk it???? Me.
Jim Beard
(2,535 posts)JI7
(89,271 posts)Jason1961
(413 posts)Luckily I can only think of one person besides my yard guy that I know is a Trump supporter (and I'll be finding another yard guy next summer).
After this election I expect many of them will drop us and save us the trouble.
RussBLib
(9,036 posts)If I did have friends supporting Trump, I would find other friends.
adigal
(7,581 posts)She is 86 and a liberal who thinks she is a Republican because of the abortion issue. Grrrrr....
Honestly, I am so upset with her over this, I don't know what I'll do if he wins.
Stever
(7 posts)jonno99
(2,620 posts)but that doesn't (and shouldn't) negate an entire life-time of love & support on a host of other issues.
Friends? None of my "close" friends support Trump, but for the others, I prefer to give folks the space they need to form their views. For those of my friends that I have been unable to persuade regarding the problems with Trump, I trust that Trump himself (should he win) will prove my points.
lapfog_1
(29,226 posts)It is a disqualifying attribute to either becoming a friend or remaining a friend.
onecaliberal
(32,898 posts)I could never be friends with people who support child rapist.
TheDebbieDee
(11,119 posts)Bless his heart. He's gay and apparently unaware of VP Mike Pence's stance on gayness.
Maybe I will enlighten him on Nov 9th...
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Actually, I'd be more annoyed at friends who don't vote.
But if I have any of those, they're not admitting it.
unblock
(52,328 posts)most of them i'm not really friends with anyway. but there is one couple we are friendly with who are voting for trump. they're great people, and politically they'd be libertarians if they didn't feel that was throwing away a vote. basically, they have a business doing upscale housing renovations for rich people, so they vote republican because they want their clientele to have more disposable income with which to throw business their way.
not exactly noble, but i get it.
in any event, they're totally opposed to trump on social matters, but they feel they have to make the right business decision for themselves.
naturally, we agree to disagree.
but we'll still go on hikes together.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)So they can potentially make more money seems worse than "not exactly noble" to me.
unblock
(52,328 posts)Tracer
(2,769 posts)While walking my dogs, I often stop at a neighbor's fence to admire his VERY large vegetable garden.
We chat about the crop (both his and my "tiny" garden) and enjoy our talks.
Several days ago, we walked by and there it was. A Trump sign on his front lawn. :(
I will never discuss politics with him, but will stick to "garden talk". It's useless to do other than that.
(BTW, that's the only Trump sign that I've seen in my town).
lpbk2713
(42,766 posts)I never could figure out why anyone would vote contrary to their own interests.
RobinA
(9,894 posts)and several family members who will vote for Trump. The friend and I haven't discussed politics since the WMD days when I realized that discussion was futile.
The family members? Well, they are my family, so we are stuck with each other. I will, however, keep in mind what I read from their willingness to vote for a crazy person with no apparent plan in mind about their feelings towards women.
Lint Head
(15,064 posts)xenophobe, sexist, bigot, fascist, obvious sociopath with psychopathic tendencies are not the kind of people I would even want to partially associate with. It does not make my world or this world any better to celebrate our embrace those traits in someone else.
Doodley
(9,129 posts)with others who we disagree with. However repulsive and dangerous Trump might be, the world has to keep going.
Lint Head
(15,064 posts)consider myself lucky. Just realistic. You are know by the company you keep but have the right in this country to keep associations no matter how deplorable they are.
Doodley
(9,129 posts)muntrv
(14,505 posts)get the red out
(13,468 posts)"Friends" don't abuse each other, so it's a moot point.
Willie Pep
(841 posts)This election has made me realize that some people are simply not going to change their opinions or even listen to another point of view. I personally don't believe in cutting people off over politics and I don't want to ruin family events with political arguments. I just let them rant and rave now. How do you reach people who believe that Obama set up all of the recent mass shootings in order to confiscate guns? I have an uncle who seriously believes that.
47of74
(18,470 posts)No these fuckheads won't magically disappear after the election.
They'll still be out there and as racist, misogynistic, and homophobic as ever.
cleveramerican
(2,895 posts)but yeah after SEVERAL weeks we will all move on with our lives.
in the end holding a grudge is just too much work
its much easier to put it down so you don't have to carry it
Quantess
(27,630 posts)who picked Trump over Clinton. I know them for their good qualities, so, no. I disagree with some of their opinions and standpoints, but we strangely (or not) agree more than we disagree. Their preferences stem from more of a Hillary Clinton hatred than any enthusiasm for Trump.
I may very well have friends who are voting for Trump. But if that may be the case, none of them are talking about it.
In times like these, I'm so relieved to not be living in the USA.
Delmette
(522 posts)Many responders to this thread sound similar to the Republicans who are afraid to speak up against Trump and his supporters. DU'ers are calling them fascist, the kind of people that lead to Nazi Germany. I think that if we shun Trump Supporters we miss the opportunity to nudge them away from their views. If we just unfriend them we are leaving a void, a silence that can serve as giving up or acceptance to their view. I know we can't change anyone's view with a few zingers. We can change their attitude and mind by planting seeds of thought and following up by showing everyone acceptance and compassion to the people Trump Supporters rail against.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)Quantess
(27,630 posts)But what is your opinion?
roamer65
(36,747 posts)I've been around enough of them lately.
Most are white men who live in a bubble.
Bucky
(54,068 posts)Response to kentuck (Original post)
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Dem2
(8,168 posts)People who I associate with or businesses that supported with a large sign in front of their business - they are cut out of my life. Permanently.
Croney
(4,670 posts)She has always been three fries short of a Happy Meal in the intelligence department, so I don't try to reason with her anymore. I just wish she would vote...on November 28.
Warpy
(111,351 posts)meaning I allow good people the right to be wrong. I also realize that Trump is a symptom of a much deeper disease, and I'm not talking about racism, I'm talking about the raw deal working people have been getting for the last 40+ years. Sanders was also the same symptom but the DNC was just a little more capable than the RNC in ending his campaign.
However, I specified good people. I've long since distanced myself from boors and blowhards.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)No one I know is actually admitting they'll vote for him; they criticize and denigrate Clinton without remorse, but I've yet to see or hear an actual "I'm voting for Trump" from any friends or family.
northoftheborder
(7,574 posts)....but I have other friends and acquaintances with whom I do not discuss politics, nor do they, so unless they spout out some objectionable garbage, I consider them friends, even if I know nothing about their political opinions.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)Two mos. ago, her BF started to rant about "THAT F-ing B---- Hillary," and I asked him what is that about? "Emails!!!" was the answer. I start defending Hillary (calmly, no voice-raising), and then my friend walks over and says, "You shouldn't be talking politics." I agreed but said, "However, J just came up to me and started calling Hillary a f-ing B" and my friend says, "Well, she is!"
You just cannot win with these people. You can't even have a conversation.
marlakay
(11,498 posts)One you never met but became friends through a website for losing weight, gardening, etc but a real close friend would have to be someone you met many many years ago that became conservative or you became friends before you got political.
Other than that why have a friend who goes against all you believe in?
My younger daughter's best friend is voting for him, they are both republicans but my daughter is voting for Hillary. Her friend is on my FB and lately i have been deleting all her stuff. I am close friends with her democrat mom.
I know my daughter changed because of being in military for 15 yrs (not her, her husband) her friend had a very conservative boyfriend that swayed her over years ago.
Lanius
(601 posts)None of my friends or family support Trump.
FXSTD
(25 posts)Most I know are reluctantly voting trump. While I wont treat anyone differently for who they vote for, it's impossible not to think a little less about those people.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)That's bad enough, mind you. But it's where my circle skews.
Marr
(20,317 posts)I don't have any friends who rant about politics all the time, thankfully. I do have a few friends (and several family members), who support Trump, but I think we keep our perspective on the whole thing. The consensus opinion from the Trump supporters I know is that both candidates are awful, but Hillary is particularly, personally despicable. They don't trust her. None of them actually seem to like or even trust Trump either, but their dislike of Hillary Clinton just outweighs all that.
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)I posted the following on facebook: "If you are a Donald Trump supporter, please unfriend me. Now. You can do it silently; I'm not looking for a fight. Just do it, please. I'm not passing judgement- you're just not the kind of person I want associated with me. We're judged by the company we keep. You and I are so diametrically opposed at our cores, that I don't consider us compatible. Thanks."
The same goes for real life. I choose my friends carefully.
lucca18
(1,244 posts)Over the years she changed and became a Republican.
It is so hard for me to understand.
We have had many a discussion over the phone,
(she lives in Texas and I live in the San Francisco Bay area).
I had to tell her to stop sending me very offensive emails.
That was the last time we communicated.
The day after the election, I am flying to Palm Beach Florida for a wedding.
I think my husband, myself, and my brother will be the only Democrats there!
cntrfthrs
(252 posts)a friend...There is no in-between....support for trump = support for racism PERIOD.
Rex
(65,616 posts)I have one family member supporting Trump, she lost her mind watching Foxnews.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)though if they get loud, I will tell them where to step off. I also fully intend to remind them of Trump in 2020, aka "the great GOP rebrand, now minty fresh"
Duppers
(28,127 posts)Last edited Tue Nov 1, 2016, 07:46 PM - Edit history (1)
Therefore, none are voting for Trump.
Even RW extended family members are not voting for Trump. I have a dumbass neighbor who is. We speak but that's all.
He took my Obama sign down in 08 and I think it was him who poisoned my dog, costing us $600 to save her.
How is it I'm supposed to be friendly with the likes of him!!
And I reference people to this post which I totally agree with:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028264752#post10
We know that support for the rethugian party is based on racism and greed. Period. I do not want to be friends with such people.
Raine
(30,540 posts)would have never been friends to begin with.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)BlueStater
(7,596 posts)I say that as someone who has relatives supporting him. It makes me incredibly sick.
Dorian Gray
(13,501 posts)so I don't have too many acquaintances that would vote for trump. But I do have family members.
As long as they don't spout racist ideologies at me, I'll let it go. But if I hear hateful and misogynistic rhetoric, I'll jump on it.
Ilsa
(61,698 posts)she doesn't like, then yeah, I might remove her from my "friends" list.
neeksgeek
(1,214 posts)Most of my friends at work don't talk politics. But I work at a college and the few people who seem to support the Orange Menace aren't loud...
Family is another matter. I'm treating my mother and sister (unaccountably, they are Trump supporters) differently because they are treating me differently. They basically won't speak to me or even answer emails. Also have an uncle who believes that I'm a member of the overpaid (yeah, right) liberal ivory tower college elite. He calls me a "college-educated asshole" and yet asks "how can anybody as smart as you believe in climate change?" He thinks Trump is great and has had it in for the Clintons since 1992.
I don't talk to him anymore either.
I think the divisions will take years to heal.