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mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 05:31 PM Oct 2016

Georgia voting machine suspected of ‘flipping’ presidential votes

http://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/georgia-voting-machine-suspected-flipping-presidential-votes/woKEUgpDDEyaw9o4J318XJ/
A voting machine in Bryan County that may have been “flipping” some Georgia voters’ picks for president has been removed from service, after The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported the problem to state elections officials.

A voter who experienced a problem while early voting contacted the AJC, saying it took three tries Tuesday on a machine at the county’s administration complex in Richmond Hill before it correctly recorded his choice of Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton.

The Georgia Secretary of State’s Office has opened an investigation into the incident. Bryan County Election Supervisor Cindy Reynolds told the AJC that the machine was one of eight in operation for early voting. At least 20 people had previously used the machine that day; no one reported any problems to poll workers but, she said, “I went ahead and took it down just to be sure.”

Merle King, executive director of the state’s Center for Election Systems at Kennesaw State University, said it seemed likely that the issue was related to the machine’s calibration.

Georgia, since 2002, has used what in the industry are called “direct-recording electronic” voting machines, or DREs, known by voters for their touch screens. To accurately collect a voter’s intent, the touch screen must be tilted toward the voter at approximately a 45-degree angle. If it is improperly calibrated, King said, it will mark the voter’s choice either above or below the intended target area.

In this instance, King said, “it sounds like the voter did the correct thing — they checked the summary screen for correctness before casting the ballot.”
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Georgia voting machine suspected of ‘flipping’ presidential votes (Original Post) mfcorey1 Oct 2016 OP
Good, we have the opportunity to check our selections in Texas also. Thinkingabout Oct 2016 #1
Are these machines like the new ATM machines? davidn3600 Oct 2016 #2
Similar technology, Ms. Toad Oct 2016 #3
Improperly calibrated !!!!!!!!! pangaia Oct 2016 #4
Never seems to flip to the Democratic candidates Thrill Oct 2016 #5
It does, apparently. Here's a story of such a -- backflip? ColemanMaskell Oct 2016 #7
Voting machines that do not produce a paper ballot should be barred completely, period. ColemanMaskell Oct 2016 #6
+100,000 JonLP24 Oct 2016 #8

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
1. Good, we have the opportunity to check our selections in Texas also.
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 06:08 PM
Oct 2016

Appears my machine correctly recorded.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
2. Are these machines like the new ATM machines?
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 06:25 PM
Oct 2016

My bank has "upgraded" their ATMs to these touchscreens. And sometimes when typing in the pin or what you want it is extremely easy to not hit it just right and end up hitting a wrong number.

I can't tell you how many times I selected "Withdraw" and it thought I hit "Deposit."

Just like the screen on your smartphone. No doubt the wrong letter came up when typing a text, right?

It's probably the same technology.

For voting, they probably need to stick to scantrons.

Ms. Toad

(34,074 posts)
3. Similar technology,
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 06:36 PM
Oct 2016

but older.

The lower resolution, clunkier technology, makes it even harder to close in on 100% correct selection the first time.

That's why it is important to watch what appears on your screen as the selection you made, and correct it if it didn't register properly. I really don't understand everyone freaking about vote flipping when I can't recall a single touch screen device (even newer, high resolution ones) that always correctly registers my touch. My phone (the newest touch screen I have) is particularly bad about registering the characters one row below where I think I'm touching.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
4. Improperly calibrated !!!!!!!!!
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 06:37 PM
Oct 2016

How fucking hard can it be??

ATMs seem to work.
Credit card machines work..
gas pumps work.. Credit OR debit?? Would you like a receipt? Please enter your zip code...

grocery store checkouts work.. Would you like to round that up to $123,573 to make a contribution to the United Way?


WTF !

ColemanMaskell

(783 posts)
7. It does, apparently. Here's a story of such a -- backflip?
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 08:42 PM
Oct 2016
http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/woman-says-she-tried-to-vote-straight-gop-ticket-but-machine-showed-hillary-clinton/

Woman Tried to Vote Straight GOP Ticket, But Machine Showed Hillary Clinton
by Rachel Stockman | 2:46 pm, October 26th, 2016

A post on Facebook from Arlington, Texas has caused quite a stir after claiming a woman tried to vote a straight Republican ticket, but the machine showed her voting for Hillary Clinton. The Facebook post has been shared nearly 200,000 times, and conspiracy theorists have flooded the internet with claims of a rigged election. It’s not the first time this sort of thing has been reported. Several people have made complaints that their all Republican tickets were changed to show Hillary in the final summary screen when they vote.

“I voted a straight Republican ticket and as I scrolled to submit my ballot I noticed that the Republican Straight ticket was highlighted, however, the clinton/kaine box was also highlighted! I tried to go back and change and could not get it to work. I asked for help from one of the workers and she couldn’t get it to go back either, ” wrote Lisa Houlette. However, election officials in Texas say this problem was likely due to “voter error” — not any kind of rigging.

ColemanMaskell

(783 posts)
6. Voting machines that do not produce a paper ballot should be barred completely, period.
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 07:09 PM
Oct 2016

No electronic system is reliable enough to be trusted for voting.

Did anybody see those paper ballots in Florida called "Butterfly Ballots"? That tricked thousands of people into voting for some obscure candidate rather than for Gore? It was obvious and blatant when it was shown on TV. Although the Supreme Court ultimately ruled against Gore, and Gore was honorable enough to accept the court's decision without further ado about it, still at least everybody got to see the evidence of what had been done. And at least there were physical ballots that could be recounted, hanging chads and all. There was evidence that could be taken into a courtroom.

When an electronic system records the wrong result, what recourse is there?

In this case the display allowed the voter to see what was happening and the voter was sufficiently alert to report it. Apparently 20 earlier voters had missed it.

If a machine is deliberately rigged to miscount the tally under the covers, rather than openly displaying and recording inaccurately, then nobody would be able to see what was happening and there would be no obvious printed evidence trail. True you could go back and test the machine, IF you got to it before whoever had deliberately misprogrammed it got back to remove the evidence by swapping out the malign software. If, say, only 10% of the voting machines in a swing county in a swing state are rigged in this way, that could affect the election results and still leave plausible deniability.

It's incredible that people have allowed machines like these, that produce no paper trail, ever to be used. Worse, I even hear people suggest that they want to be able to cast their votes over the Internet! It boggles the mind. If your home PC, your cell phone, and self-driving cars can be hacked, where do people ever get the naive idea that electronic voting can be made safe and reliable? Of course I've worked with computers most of my life so this is obvious to me, but I would think it would not exactly be an esoteric obscure revelation requiring cabalistic insight.

Hacking Voting Machines – Politico article
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/08/2016-elections-russia-hack-how-to-hack-an-election-in-seven-minutes-214144

... Princeton professor Andrew Appel ... is part of a diligent corps of so-called cyber-academics—professors who have spent the past decade serving their country by relentlessly hacking it. Electronic voting machines—particularly a design called Direct Recording Electronic, or DRE’s—took off in 2002, in the wake of Bush v. Gore. For the ensuing 15 years, Appel and his colleagues have deployed every manner of stunt to convince the public that the system is pervasively unsecure and vulnerable.

Beginning in the late '90s, Appel and his colleague, Ed Felten, a pioneer in computer engineering now serving in the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, marshaled their Princeton students together at the Center for Information Technology Policy (where Felten is still director). There, they relentlessly hacked one voting machine after another, transforming the center into a kind of Hall of Fame for tech mediocrity: reprogramming one popular machine to play Pac-Man; infecting popular models with self-duplicating malware; discovering keys to voting machine locks that could be ordered on eBay. Eventually, the work of the professors and Ph.D. students grew into a singular conviction: It was only a matter of time, they feared, before a national election—an irresistible target—would invite an attempt at a coordinated cyberattack.

The revelation this month that a cyberattack on the DNC is the handiwork of Russian state security personnel has set off alarm bells across the country: Some officials have suggested that 2016 could see more serious efforts to interfere directly with the American election. The DNC hack, in a way, has compelled the public to ask the precise question the Princeton group hoped they’d have asked earlier, back when they were turning voting machines into arcade games: If motivated programmers could pull a stunt like this, couldn't they tinker with the results in November through the machines we use to vote?

This week, the notion has been transformed from an implausible plotline in a Philip K. Dick novel into a deadly serious threat, outlined in detail by a raft of government security officials. “This isn’t a crazy hypothetical anymore,” says Dan Wallach, one of the Felten-Appel alums and now a computer science professor at Rice. “Once you bring nation states’ cyber activity into the game?” He snorts with pity. “These machines, they barely work in a friendly environment.”

The powers that be seem duly convinced. Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson recently conceded the “longer-term investments we need to make in the cybersecurity of our election process.” A statement by 31 security luminaries at the Aspen Institute issued a public statement: “Our electoral process could be a target for reckless foreign governments and terrorist groups.” Declared Wired: “America’s Electronic Voting Machines Are Scarily Easy Targets.”

... and so on



JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
8. +100,000
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 08:46 PM
Oct 2016

Especially the hacking part as someone can slip a memory card and someone do this easily on PBS in 2008. I think the show was Need to Know.

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