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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIn the back of my mind a swell has formed, pushing its way forward
and threatening to scream its way out of my mouth.
With his own confession and the many women coming forward, I can't help but wonder if Trump has ever waltzed in on his daughters, hoping to catch them in a state of undress.
I use the word waltz because Trump gives every impression that it is his right to open any and all closed doors, to cross any barrier, to get to what he wants.
From his own words I know he has viewed both his daughters sexually, given unfatherly thought to their bodies - with Tiffany Trump he remarked on her future breasts and legs. With his daughter Ivanka he spoke with Howard Stern on what would accurately, albeit crudely, be described as her 'fuckability', by allowing that it is perfectly fine to view his own daughter as a "piece of ass".
"Yeah, he does that." (Ivanka Trump) when told about her father barging in on women while they were undressing.
That "Yeah, he does that." sounds so incredibly sad and heartbreaking coming from a (then) young girl who had lived with that kind of deviant behavior her whole life and appears to think it a fact of life to be endured.
I know Ivanka Trump is uncomfortable with her father's inappropriate touching because at the GOP convention she pulls her elbow in and pulls away from him. First patting and squeezing her arms, Trump's hands worked their way down to his daughter's hips where he continued to pat her. Ivanka Trump's elbow pulls back and her body recoils in a manner women the world over will recognize - the don't touch me there involuntary reaction we have when someone invades our personal space.
Angela Merkel raised her shoulders and cringed when Shrub touched her inappropriately by massaging her shoulders. You don't think, you just react by attempting to push away the offender as quick as you can.
Bad touch. Creepy touch. Nauseating touch.
That's what Ivanka Trump did. She pushed his hand away. So I know she doesn't like it when her father touches her body in a way fathers should never touch their daughters.
But I can't help but hear the - "Yeah, he does that." - when I think of that night at the GOP convention. And I can't help but wonder what else she has had to endure.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,740 posts)came up with (Wilson is enthusiastically anti-Trump, and very funny about it). But, yeah, Trump is every skeevy guy you've ever met that you just don't want to be alone with. Who knows what even nastier stuff went on within the tacky golden walls of his NY penthouse?
Solly Mack
(90,773 posts)so-called friends, who know exactly what kind of sexual predator Trump is and don't give it thought, or worse, maybe even laugh it off.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,740 posts)All these revelations are disgusting but not surprising. The guy gives off that sex-offender vibe.
Solly Mack
(90,773 posts)blm
(113,065 posts).
Solly Mack
(90,773 posts)ailsagirl
(22,897 posts)Solly Mack
(90,773 posts)And the thought of a young girl conditioned to think Trump's actions are normal is heartbreaking.
ailsagirl
(22,897 posts)really-- this guy is no patriot!!!!!!
And he wants to run our country?
fierywoman
(7,686 posts)Solly Mack
(90,773 posts)"Yeah. He does that."
Like it was something so normal, for her father to barge in on women while they were dressing. Like it was no big deal.
Really sounded like she was speaking from personal experience and that's not appropriate behavior for a father. You do not walk in on your daughter. There are decent and indecent touches. There are decent and indecent thoughts. If you see your daughter in a sexual way, that's just plain sick.
Acknowledging that your child will one day be a sexual being is normal, injecting yourself into the equation is not.
bluesbassman
(19,375 posts)I know some men have as kids, but I was fortunate enough to not have it happen. Still, having grown up with a very strong mother and an equally strong father, who both taught me to respect women, I have developed a pretty good sense concerning men who do not. Trump is one of the most egregious I've ever seen. His facial expressions, mannerisms, body language, and speech patterns all exhibit a man who views women as adornments and playthings for his own amusement. If he was a member of my extended family I wouldn't allow him to be alone with any of my daughters or sisters.
Solly I'm truly sorry that you and other women have had to suffer any of the things that we are learning about Trump's behavior. It is appaling. Maybe though something good can come out of Trump's center stage display of his depavity. Maybe this will bring the problem into more general conversation and we as a society can strive to elimate it.
Solly Mack
(90,773 posts)Trump's words and actions have been a trigger for many, myself included. There's sadness and an incredible sense of dread, but there is also hope. As more women come forward and as the conversation continues, maybe, like you said, people will speak out against abusive behavior.
And I agree, no way would I allow a young girl to be alone with him. Or a young boy, for that matter. Trump is not someone anyone should aspire to emulate.