Proof the Trump effect is in full effect: Friend of a former student tells historian to STFU (me)

[Feeling the Bern]

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I was just told by a 15 year old trumper to, and I quote, "STFU" about the "putting Hillary in jail" comment because I told him to look up the world "gulag" and "concentration camp."

So, my response to being told to STFU:

Jailing opponents is what Mugabe does in Zimbabwe, Karimov did in Uzbekistan, Kim does in North Korea, Pinochet did in Chile, Norega did in Panama, Gaddafi did in Lybia, the Ayatollah does in Iran, Assad does in Syria, al-Bashar does in Sudan, Amin did in Uganda, Mswati does in Swaziland, Papa Doc and Baby Doc did in Haiti, Lee Syngman did in South Korea, Diem did in South Vietnan, Suharto and Sukarno did in Indonesia, Pol Pot did in Cambodia, Stalin did in Russia, Lushenko does in Belarus, Mao did in China, Chiang Kai-Shek did in China and Taiwan and Erdogan does currently in Turkey.

I would hope, (name redacted), you would learn your history and your world around instead of being an ignorant, snide, disgusting little disrespectful quisling.

[snooper2]

1. Huh?

[bench scientist]

2. that is an epic clapback. nicely done.

[dhol82]

3. Lovely rant? :)

Hope the sniveling snot felt himself schooled.

[DK504]

77. STFU snotty student

Kid's parents probably told him history is a leftist plot to overthrow 'Murica.

[malaise]

4. Great response

but you'd need to add what the British and Americans did to anti-colonial and anti-imperialist leaders.
Noriega was an American puppet and so were Papa Doc and baby Doc. I needn't detail what the Brits did in their captured 'colonies' in Africa and indeed in the Caribbean. Churchill's then British Guiana coup is public knowledge as was Kennedy's involvement in that country.

[Mika]

6. Not to mention that many of the listed authoritarians were US/CIA supported ...

... at one time or another.

[malaise]

7. Right across our hemisphere

The Bannon's are now at home and he's hardly alone.

[Feeling the Bern]

18. As I taught the Cold War Section my IGCSE and A-Level history classes

The US attitude was "he may be an SOB, but he's our SOB."

You realize I could language like that in China and Malaysia in class and no one gets offended, but if I do in the US, I deal with overly sensitive parents are bible thumpers.

In all honest, I had more academic freedom in Communist China than I ever did in the US to teach my class as I saw fit. As long as the CIE scores were passing, the admin didn't care how I taught and they left me alone.

[Historic NY]

30. Have him look up Serbian Concentration Camps.....

then ask him why Herr Trump is apologizing for our intervention

[mythology]

74. You most certainly could not say that sort of thing about anybody the Chinese

government supported. You'd end up in jail. Dissidents do rather poorly there. Yes you will get people here complaining and possibly fired. But you won't wind up in a labor camp or being executed after a show trial as you might in China.

[Feeling the Bern]

76. I live and taught in China. I tend to disagree with that from personal experience.

[pangaia]

35. On the money....

Glad I perused the replies before I added my $20.
You saved me the time....

[erronis]

44. Aren't all authoritarians supported by intelligence agencies?

In a real democracy, transparency of reasons, transparency of actions are paramount.

In an authoritarian regime, you can do what you want, close the media channels, disappear or otherwise dispose of irritating voices. Transparency is like a black plastic bag - used to hide the abhorences.

In a quasi-democratic regime (the US and many of the western countries), you can more subtly dispose of irritants. You can use pressure (usually $s but sometimes xxx and more extreme tactics) to lean on possible factual outlets. In such a regime, transparency is only another phrase similar to: a chicken in every pot, all men are created equal, time for change, make amerika great again.

[ronnie624]

8. You have to embrace many false underlying assumptions about the US

in order to accept the prevailing narrative at work here.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

17. This is why I love du---I learn so much.

I didn't know about Churchill. And I admit to a lot of ignorance on Kennedy's actions.

[ronnie624]

22. The best agregate of news, current events and general info, bar none. n/t

[Feeling the Bern]

25. My first two websites I open every morning.

1: DU for my news
2: Yahoo Sports for my sports

[malaise]

29. The British Guiana coup

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/aug/26/mi5-files-coup-british-guiana


The files on Kennedy's involvement were opened some time ago

http://www.guyana.org/govt/declassified_documents.html

[Feeling the Bern]

16. I also didn't mention what Belgium did in the Congo too.

[malaise]

31. and many many more

The truth is that the 'democratic ' West has done it to others for a very long time.

[geardaddy]

53. Yes!

I was just reading about that. I knew it was horrible, but I started reading just to get more details of how horrible it was.

Also, France in Algeria was notoriously bad.

[Feeling the Bern]

67. One of the worst genocides in human history, in terms of people, culture, language, religion and

society.

But white Europeans never really had problems with decimating native populations in more ways than one. Just look at what the Spanish, Dutch, French, English, and then the newly independent countries of the western hemisphere, including the Americans, did to the native populations of the western hemisphere.

[RKP5637]

5. Well done! n/t

[Imperialism Inc.]

9. You said that to a 15 year old student?

Not cool at all. Calling a student an ignorant, disgusting quisling is surely, and rightly, a fireable offense.

ETA: I guess you are saying they aren't actually your student but still not cool. You're supposed to be the adult right?

[Feeling the Bern]

10. I don't teach anymore and I don't live in the States anymore. I'm retired from teaching.

They want to go to my current employer and complain, go ahead. I'm sure my boss's response would be "that little brat should STFU" if I know my boss's personality.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

20. :)

15 years old, yelling STFU at an adult..... little brat deserves a verbal swat.

I'd go for a kick in the ass, too, but I'm a rotten ol' bizatch!!!

[Feeling the Bern]

21. 15 year old telling a man with two master's degrees, a PhD candidate and a historian

with ten years of actual field work as well as 15 years of teaching history in four countries to STFU.

I thought I was being nice. I could have cursed the little turd out, which I almost did.

[malaise]

32. +1,000

Hehehehhe

[NoMoreRepugs]

39. with you all the way...

I have a sneaky suspicion the parents don't work at NASA....

[Feeling the Bern]

40. In the area of Arizona where I taught before I went overseas, Circle K was the biggest employer.

And 65% of the population had a criminal record. I used to get odd looks when I told people I've never gotten even a parking ticket. "But it's so easy to get arrest by the po-lice." I would think "maybe for you. I don't do stupid things that would get the police called on me, unless reading a book in my bed at night or playing WOW on my computer is illegal now."

[forest444]

41. He deserved it, the little Hitler Youth clone.

I was in high school during most of the Clinton years, and remember how brainwashed, doctrinaire, and downright ugly some of the young Republicans were (I should note that at least two are now Democrats). Later, in college, a professor mentioned that the CIA had perfected the used of tv alpha and gamma waves to brainwash children - although, thankfully, it doesn't work with everyone.

Is it true? They're certainly not talking; but no one that has gone to high school in a Republican district can doubt this.

Kudos to you, Feeling the Bern.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

56. I would have cheered you on.

Little turds deserve commensurate treatment.

[melman]

57. So

then how is it you had contact with this 15 year old?

[Feeling the Bern]

66. Former student posted on facebook. 15 year old said HRC needs to go to jail

I disagreed. He told me STFU like the true Trumper, facebook warrior. I have him (and it was a boy) the smackdown he deserved.

[Liberalagogo]

28. So you're okay with

being told to STFU?

Good to know.

[Imperialism Inc.]

45. Where did I say that?

I said as an adult he shouldn't act like a child, to a child.

[cab67]

46. I don't think he did.

I work with students every day. I'll tolerate disagreement, but not being told off as rudely as that. (This goes for anyone, student or otherwise.)

[Liberalagogo]

49. Try rereading

your original post. You are totally okay with it. Stop spinning.

[MicaelS]

64. He's no child..

Using language like that. He's a spoiled adolescent. And since he could not physically smack the little fucker in mouth like he deserves, you have to give him a metaphorical mouth smack.

[Duppers]

62. And this teenager should not have been respectful?

Anyone saying that to a teacher in class would have spent time in detention. A punishment you perhaps wouldn't agree with.

Outside of class, respect should be shown only when deserved and that's a two way street.

[packman]

11. Intelligent come back - but, sadly, probably wasted

because it has nothing to do with Kim or anything connected to his cell-phone reality.

[Ligyron]

12. Now there's a word not often used.

quis·ling
ˈkwizliNG/Submit
noun
a traitor who collaborates with an enemy force occupying their country.
synonyms: collaborator, colluder, sympathizer; More

[ejbr]

14. +1 n/t

[Feeling the Bern]

15. Used for a reason. Anyone who supports advocating a fascist response of jail political opponents

while on the take from a foreign country (apparently Russia) is a quisling in my eyes.

[zipplewrath]

26. Doesn't understand

You realize the kid doesn't know what "quisling" means, and won't look it up either. Truth is, he probably won't even get that far down before he stops reading.

That speaks to a point I have yet to find a way to express. I don't understand this current tendency for people to wear their ignorance like a badge of honor. It's the whole "you get to have your own opinion, but not your own facts" problem. If I hear "I'm not a scientist but..." one more time I'm gonna go postal. I strive to understand my opponents point, even when I disagree. But more and more I find my political opponents basically HAVE no point, just a position, and one they cannot begin to "defend" in any other manner than "because". And they have no intellectual "shame" in that at all. To a great degree they express it with pride.

[Feeling the Bern]

34. Adlai Stevenson was told in 1956 that every intelligent voter is America supported him

HE asked how could he get a majority.

Things haven't changed in 60 years.

I completely agree with you. I wasted my pearls on swine, but it felt good saying it to the disrespectful "darling little angel."

[3catwoman3]

55. That weasel excuse pisses me off, too. I am a pediatric nurse practitioner.

Therefore, I am not many other things. I am not a dentist, a plumber, a roofer, a landscaper, a lawyer, a veterinarian, a hair stylist, etc, etc, etc.

Not being any of those, or the many other things I am not, does not render me incapable of recognizing the expertise of those in these fields, nor keep me from calling on those who do have expertise that I lack when in need of that expertise.

Just another BS way to not have to think or make decisions.

[Stonepounder]

13. The only thing I would have added to that beautiful rant would be,

"And if I hear that kind of crap from you again, I'll tell you how I really feel!"

(I might also threaten to 'wash his mouth out with soap' for talking to you that way!)

[niyad]

19. did you catch KO's commentary on that very topic?

http://video.gq.com/watch/the-closer-with-keith-olbermann-jailing-hillary-trump-s-outrageous-case-for-dictatorship?c=series

loved your response.

[Feeling the Bern]

23. Yes I did. I also got his camps . . . with concentration commentary. I love KO so much

[niyad]

24. I am so glad he has a platform again. like you, I love him. sadly, though, the people who really

need to hear what he has to say are the very ones who will not be listening.

[bluestateguy]

27. I don't know about you

but NO 15 year old child talks to me like that.

I'll just leave it at that.

[Feeling the Bern]

38. I don't let my parents talk to me that way. Sincerely not a kid than I'm three times older than.

[RelativelyJones]

33. C'mon. The kid is 15.

He's obviously just parroting what he hears at home. Talk to him, not at him.

[Feeling the Bern]

36. The "kid" told me to STFU when I challenged him to think

Gloves comes off with disrespect. . .or do you think it's old for children to talk that way to adults. If you do, we've really changed the idea of respect.

[baldguy]

65. The hitlerjugend were young too - 14-18

[bulloney]

37. I'll bet that little jerk never heard of anyone on that list of dictators you fired back to him.

The trumper probably had not heard of most of those countries, either.

That student seems to be so typical of Trump supporters. They hear him spew his BS, later reinforced on Faux Snooze and the RW hate radio shows, and they think they're armed to the teeth with information and knowledge.

I've predicted that we would see the behavior that we're seeing at this stage of the campaign season. Lifelong Republicans would rather die than vote for Hillary, but they also know deep inside that Trump is totally unqualified and is the biggest jerk and crook to run for the office. But, they resort to listening to what they want to hear on the media to give them the rationale to vote for the Republican, and it's usually around Hillary being a crook. Classic case of deflection and projection. Trump knows his world is collapsing around him with his business practices being called out, with women coming out and accusing him of rape and sexual assault, and with his actual wealth being exposed as being a fraction of what he claims it is. So, he repeatedly calls Hillary a crook and his brainless minions latch on to it as their lifeline to continue to vote for the Republican candidate.

[greymattermom]

43. How about an assignment

to look up all of those dictators and write a paragraph about each one. Include the final outcome, if there is one, of their regimes.

[Feeling the Bern]

63. Kids like that wouldn't do. They would be complain to their parents and then there

would be a parent's meeting about why I would have been indoctrinating their genius little precious angel.

[Coyotl]

42. Someone is feeling the burn today!

[annabanana]

50. Then make him look up quisling!

. . . righteous rant prof!

[WinkyDink]

51. Wow. This kid uses the Big "F", and some people here think he's too young to be schooled?! (PI)

[geardaddy]

52. Not to mention Hitler and his cronies. n/t

[panader0]

54. More history: Vidkun Quisling--

From wiki: The first use of the term quisling in reference to followers of Vidkun Quisling was made by Norwegian Labour Party politician Oscar Torp, in a 2 January 1933 newspaper interview. Further uses of the term were made by Aksel Sandemose, in a Dagbladet article in 1934, and by the newspaper Vestfold Arbeiderblad, in 1936.[4]

[TNNurse]

58. Trump loves the "poorly educated"

the uneducated and in this case the ill mannered child. His parents would probably be proud.

I once took care of a kid that age, he had broken his femur (that thigh bone) skiing. It was more than 30 years ago when he was stuck in skeletal traction in a hospital bed for weeks. He had a really foul mouth and threatened the staff. I took his wealthy father aside and had a little chat with him. He was so caught up in an ugly divorce I do not think he knew what a little monster he had. The behavior stopped. When it was time for him to go home, his parents were thinking about a trip "to save their marriage". They offered impressive money for any of the nurses or aides to stay with him....there were no takers.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

59. How dare you suggest research and learning!!

It's like crosses to vampires for the RW.

[catbyte]

60. Awesome! However, it'll probably take him 3 days to figure out what "quisling" means

[IronLionZion]

61. Save that for your safe spaces and trigger warnings

intellectuals are weak!

A lot of Trumpers know it's wrong. They just don't care. They think a strong leader would do what he has to do to put certain people in their place.

It's not about Trump. It's about putting people in our place. Minorities, women, gays, liberals, intellectuals. A lot of uneducated folks have a deep seated hatred of people who know too much.

[Ken Burch]

68. Well put.

Although I might have added "Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries" at the very end.

[Feeling the Bern]

69. I could have said I fart in your general direction, you sons of a silly person.

[Ken Burch]

70. Indeed you could have. n/t.

[oberliner]

71. In what context?

Are you a high school teacher?

[Feeling the Bern]

72. When I taught these students in the STates, even though I was certified HS, I was in

the elementary school. My former student is 17. Her friend is 15. I never taught her friend.

[The Wizard]

73. Oh no, not Quisling

that must have made him twitch.

[DFW]

75. How many 15 year olds in America know who Quisling was?

For that matter, I'll bet less than 5% of Americans of any age know who Quisling was. I've been to Norway, have friends there and understand the language, so I got the reference right away, but somehow I doubt that makes me typical.

[The Wizard]

78. I learned of him in high school. (nt)

[DFW]

79. And you remembered

Wanna bet that puts you in a tiny minority?