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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI just did a quick run through of various election related RWNJ sites and blogs....
It's not pretty out there, of course. As a matter of fact, it's downright disgusting. I need a shower.
However, the thing that I have noticed the most was that the outrageous, angry and delusional rhetoric has been ratcheted upwards to ludicrous speed. They're all losing their fucking minds right now, ladies and gents. Tons of out of this world conspiracies to explain why they're going to lose the election abound, not to mention the fact that they're tuned out reality completely.
About the polls, the common retort is a reiteration of Limpbags to "ignore the polls." A completely head-in-the-sand reaction. Also, they're going full tilt on attacking The Big Dawg, without any realization that he's not running for president and that all the prior accusations against him have been adjudicated and resolved. Add all of the pointless smears against Hill, and what you've got is a nothing more than an echo chamber that will never resonate with the majority of people who live outside of it. They're perfectly free to immerse themselves in this sea of lies, it's just that the thing that really sets them off is the utter refusal of others to drown themselves in that murky deep along with them.
They'll scream and cry and post baseless propaganda, for what, I have no idea. On Twitter, I've taken the measure to block all of those assholes who tweet their anti-Hill, pro-Cheeto Jezzus bullshit to me. That has worked out just fine. My feed is thoroughly anti-Hill, pro-Cheeto Jezzus free.
Also, they've attached themselves to the irrelevant Jill Stein and her utterly apoplectic nonsense about Hill. She's becoming more of an option for people who have suddenly found themselves not wanting to vote for Trump than she is for people who had singularly supported Bernie. The best thing about that is the fact that she'll have no influence on the outcome of the election. More and more people on the left are getting firmly behind Hill and we can thank the last two weeks of Trump's revealed reprehensible behavior for that. At least he's good for something. Also, the leadership on our side, including Bern, is standing behind Hill. We're all presenting and unite front, while all they're doing is falling apart at the seams.
Also, much of the so-called minority and women's support for Trump is nothing more than an astroturfed facade. Paid political operatives, RWNJ trolls and the such. "Blacks for Trump" is basically a propaganda effort by a combination of a smattering of so-called "black conservatives" (i.e., "Project 21," the black face on the white, wing think tank, The NCPPR http://www.rightwingwatch.org/organizations/project-21/) who operate by putting a black face on white supremacy and the white RWNJ's that they answer to, all to scam people into thinking that Trump isn't a racist asshole. There is no grass roots organization in the black community who comprises "BFT," and no one is getting fooled by these people unless they want to be fooled. One clue is the fact that ALL of the signs are manufactured by the same people.
One thing is clear, since Trump declared his war against the GOPr Partay, many of his followers have left the funny far with him. The right is deeply fractured, everyone. When Trump goes down the tubes, he just may take the entire party with him. The Midterms ought to be very interesting, as I expect that all of the GOPr pols who chose not to endorse Trumpolini will find themselves primaried from Right Wing Nut-Jobbia. IF anything, this will present an excellent opportunity to take the House back in two years. It all depends on how irrational the voter base in these districts are, the efforts of the Dem party to get out the vote and support good candidates and the vulnerability of the incumbents to a primary.
This country is deeply polarized politically... Much of this is because of the fact that so little of the electorate actually votes. In order to help reduce the level of frustration and resentment against government in general, it's imperative to raise the voter participation level, end gerrymandering and reverse the influence of big money and corporate lobbyists.
This utter irrationality is the result of misinformation, propaganda and disaffection in the population. It's also very prevalent in white, rural circles, people who have been sold a lie that the centering of their own whiteness is crucial for the survival of America. When you hear these motherfuckers say things like "Take America back" and "Make America Great Again," they're simply indicating their belief of their own whiteness as being centrally focused as an "American" identity. It fuels the nativism and racism that's seen in much of white America. It also exacerbates the level of patriarchy and is complimented by the Right Wing's penchant for authoritarianism. Lately, we're seeing this asinine "Repeal the 19th" meme, which is pure social and intellectual regression.
The cure is democracy and civil participation for ALL citizens.
The thing is that Hillary is going to win in November, but in spite of this, it's only the least that can be done. Much more is required, much more for all of us to do.
liberal N proud
(60,336 posts)Otherwise they will only sink lower.
Cary
(11,746 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)Cosmocat
(14,566 posts)the media is balls deep in gleefully following the republicans deranged hatred of Hillary NOW, and she won't have a single second with any kind of institutional legitimacy.
The stupid in this country is so fricken deep now ...
Cary
(11,746 posts)Whatever, it's better than the alternative. Much better. The alt right must die.
Cosmocat
(14,566 posts)I know this because was there during Bill's 8 years, completely baffled as to how a really likable person who was a really good president, was so reviled, and how the media cheered on and the country kept electing the assholes who spent millions of tax payer dollars and pretty much all their time as elected officials singularly focused on taking him down.
I know this because I switched my support from Hillary to BHO in 2008 in good part because I felt that BHO was such a charming, likeable, level headed person who was openly reaching to them and I HOPED that while they assuredly would be assholes to him, it would be a little less than Hillary. And, somehow, they were even biggest assholes to him than Bill.
They were jackasses in the 90s, they were 2 times worse in the 2000s, post 9-11, they were 10 times worse during BHOs tenure.
They will absolutely, no ifs and ors buts, be complete jackasses to Hillary, the media will enable it and this country will indulge them doing it - I know this because that is what has happened each and every day for the last four decades.
Cary
(11,746 posts)But there were more of them back then and they have gotten more radical, more extreme, and more irrational.
They nominated Donald Trump. If that's not jumping the shark, what is? He will lose. He will lose big and they will not be able to pull off this crap again.
You are assuming that they can adapt well to their new reality. Maybe they can, but I don't see any good evidence that they can or will. Moreover we have learned a thing or two, I think.
In spite of the obstruction, President Barack Obama got things done and moved the ball forward. I think Hillary Clinton is up to this and that she will move it even more forward. If nothing else we will have the majority on the Supreme Court for then next couple of decades, at least. If you want to know why the majority of the Republicans fell in with tRump, I think that's your answer right there. It's a big deal. It's a very big deal and with that deal settled who knows what the possibilities are?
They don't give up. I know that. But they're down and out right now, and we need to keep pounding.
Cosmocat
(14,566 posts)OK, not to be contentious because I respect your desire to see what is unfolding positively.
"You are assuming that they can adapt well to their new reality."
Not at all. I am assuming they are going to do what they do, only continue to do it in an exponentially more out and out caustic manner.
BHO has done a darn fine job, and Hill will be a darn good POTUS.
But, they are meaner, angrier and INFINITELY more committed out of their anger and hatred than democrats, who have pretty much find the energy to get someone elected POTUS than crawl in a corner and let them fight the battle alone for 8 years.
The media is very much a home team advantage for them, and thy country time after time has indulged them.
There might be "less" of them, but they have more power at the municipal, state and congressional level than ever. They should get blown out in the house and senate this year, but are 50/50 to get a 50/50 split in the senate in a year when there many more R than D seats up, and the House will remain in their hands when the dust settles - a testament to how this country indulges them.
Cary
(11,746 posts)We agree that they're pernicious and evil. It's not just a desire to see what is unfolding positively. Our ideology, unlike theirs, is positive and it is hopeful. We can find answers. We can be better and better.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,010 posts)Ligyron
(7,633 posts)MrScorpio, you totally rock, dude!
Happy to kick and rec and hope to see this on The Greatest page.
Coyotl
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Javaman
(62,531 posts)Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Psychos can't spell very well, plus this points to a specific psycho.
Sounds like the latest B horror film, starring a has-been reality T-V host.
lastlib
(23,248 posts)...for the obliteration of the GrOPe and the whole right-wing edifice. Can my dream come true this time? PLEASE make it happen, folks!
murielm99
(30,745 posts)That is where I live. There is a lot of crossover. People are voting Democratic for the first time. I am seeing plenty of early voting, and getting lots of questions.
I am off this morning to table for Hillary and some of the downticket candidates, at a local community college.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)Big artcle in the KC Star this morning.
murielm99
(30,745 posts)and do some outreach in those areas.
We found people who are voting for Hillary but are being quiet about it. They need to get along with their neighbors, so they say nothing.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)But lots of rural Missouri people are kind of white supremacist. They may not wear white sheets.
trusty elf
(7,394 posts)Nitram
(22,822 posts)nolabear
(41,987 posts)47of74
(18,470 posts)All the local teabaggers immediately started in with the bullshit you outlined above in the comments board.
Party of personal responsibility my ass.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)As we know, faith occurs in the absence of fact. Can you prove to me Hillary isn't the devil?
This is why pure unadulterated BS works so well on conservatives. Faith in the absence of fact is at the core of their lives.
Also why we can't "win" arguments with them.
Our only defense is to outnumber them.
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Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Have you no sense of the American demographic?
leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)He is posting every god awful hateful thing he can fine about the Clintons and about Obama.
It is sickening. He is going off the deep end.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)It destroys them, eats them alive.
40RatRod
(532 posts)I had a real fear that some racist hater would make an attempt on president Obama's life. But I am even more deeply concerned about Hillary's safety. Trump is setting the stage for his lunatic fringe to go off the rails when we have a Madam President.
If you pray, pray for their safety.
underpants
(182,830 posts)liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)I believe there are also a lot of coordinated posts on Twitter and the blogs from Russian trolls trying to push things up several notches. It's been documented that the Russian government has employed an agency of propaganda trolls who have been stirring up trouble on the internets for quite some time.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,771 posts)for some time now. But even here on DU I've seen too many people saying that isn't happening.
I really wish I'd saved the "want ad" I saw on journalismjobs.com a few years ago quite clearly spelling out that they were hiring "writers" to post RW BS to social media, comments sections, and discussion boards. The pay was shit, of course, but that's true of most freelance writing these days.
Some here said, essentially, "Yeah, like they'd really bother to pay someone to post on DU." Um, yes, they would and yes, they do.
sheshe2
(83,791 posts)Thanks for going there so we didn't have to.