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Good lord. New allegations surfacing every 30 minutes tonight.
malaise
(269,054 posts)This is too good. Women are bringing down a predator and he is about to be whipped by a woman. This is perfect.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)uppityperson
(115,677 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)Tiger Woods, Bill Cosby. Now Trump
Why not come out when it happened?
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,735 posts)Read the People story and maybe you'll understand.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)I understand that at the time women are powerless, scared, afraid for their lives even. But with all the awareness happening, why wait? And now its like a bandwagon. Face the predator. Make them pay for their crime and not let them get away with it!
wheniwasincongress
(1,307 posts)they felt emboldened with this proof that Donald himself gave.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)Esp after his interview with Stern years ago and other interviews where he's admitted his lust for women.
Ms. Toad
(34,076 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)It's also not assault to say he'd "do" his daughter of she wasn't his daughter but it does add to his perv factor
He's a total sleazeball who's sadly loved by millions (of deplorables)
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,735 posts)have experienced some form of sexual assault or predation. When something like that happens you are frightened and ashamed; you think it's your fault or that other people will blame you; you're afraid nobody will believe you (and until recent years that was often what happened); if it's a boss or person in authority you're afraid of retaliation. So you don't tell anyone except maybe a few friends and family and you hope to forget the whole incident. But you can't.
The women who are coming forward now are very brave, knowing how vicious Trump is.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,735 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)Ffs
Roland99
(53,342 posts)Rich megalomaniac sexually assaults someone. It never gets reported.
Rich megalomaniac thinks "hmmm. I can do that again. No one will say anything. Who will believe them?"
Rich megalomaniac does it again
And again
And again
Am I off base here?
It needs to be made known at some point or they get away with it forever.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)accusing him as well as it's her own damn fault for letting him into her room, or meeting him somewhere, or wearing provocative clothing, etc etc etc.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)Been recent cases in the news where judges living in B. C. years apparently.
But setting patterns early. And knowing claims will be made public. I dunno. Perhaps it's wishful thinking that going public will help eliminate some of this horrid behavior.
Stinky The Clown
(67,808 posts)I think Cosby may have started a paradigm shift on this, but we are far from there yet. If Trump gets away with this, all women are set back by that much.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)It's a brutal side and it's completely unfair to the victims but the media and the court of public opinion will always ask "why come out now, years later?"
It will be generations before a sea change occurs in the media, sadly.
wickerwoman
(5,662 posts)can't afford the lose the lawsuit.
Ms. Toad
(34,076 posts)uppityperson
(115,677 posts)hell by making it public, being revictimized.
THAT is why they largely get away with it.
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)I have a memory still with me, I was taking the bus home. A man sat next to me & pressed against me, he asked me all kinds of questions about where I was going and what he'd do to me. I got up and sat next to another man and said I'm scared that man back there is threatening me, the man who was threatening me came over and stood over us in the aisle of the bus and the man I was sitting next to actually got up and moved away so the 1st man sat down again and pinned me against the window. I started yelling for the bus driver to stop the bus. And he didn't until it got to the next stop. I pushed my way over the top of my assaulter and got to the front of the bus and told the driver a man was threatening me and don't let him off the bus when I got off. He said I can't stop someone from getting off the bus. So I told 2 people, I screamed, I ran to the front of the bus and no one did anything. I made the decision I could not go home and let this man follow me and find out where I lived so when I saw the bus stop in front of a bodega I ran off the bus and into the store. I was fast enough to get out before my assaulter could get off the bus. I told the people in the bodega what happened because I was afraid he'd get off at the next stop. I didn't want to go outside but someone said they'd look out for the next bus coming and would come and get me. So that's how I got home.
I told my dad, I was 17 and coming home from school. My dad who still is a wonderful guy just kept asking me why didn't I just come straight home. It's not that he didn't believe me I think he never could imagine being so vulnerable and terrified that my actions made no sense to him. This was 50 years ago.
SunSeeker
(51,574 posts)But at least my perv didnt stalk me; he sat next to me and started sliding his hand under my butt. I shouted at him and moved seats. Bus driver did nothing. The perv walked off the bus at the next stop. Then this man who had seen what happened leaned over to me and said, "you should have slapped him." I remember thinking, I'm just a kid, why didn't YOU do something? But I said nothing and just seethed until the bus reached my stop and I got off without a word.
All these decades whenever something triggers that memory I get pissed off all over again.
demigoddess
(6,641 posts)laws as recent as the 70s and probably 80s are slanted to allowing the guy get away with it. That was actually on the front page of a newspaper I read in the early 70s. Now we have a law that says you can pay a woman less for equal work. That law keeps women from being able to walk away from a predator at work and other laws keep women from finding another job when they do.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)But wouldn't an ongoing pattern have revealed it sooner and perhaps prevented some of them? Not saying it would have but isn't it possible? I know it's beyond daunting and scary as hell to go public with accusations but there are advocates. And awareness has grown over the years
And morons like Billy Bush shouldn't just go along with it either. Asshats like him reward that type of behavior
Lefthacker
(264 posts)But you can't put Tiger in the same category as Cosby and Trump. Tiger never assaulted a women. He had quite a history with women but no one accused him of sexual assault.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)not as easy to destroy DOZENS
Roland99
(53,342 posts)While denigrating Bill Clinton out of the other side of their mouths. And holding a bible signed by Jesus himself.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)The first time I was "grabbed by my pussy" I was in 6th grade, it was down the block from my home. It was weird, creepy, nasty and I was embarrassed.
The first time I was shoved against a wall and French kissed by an acquaintance I'd anyway said no to, many times, I was embarrassed to tell anyone and just wanted to be left alone. We were both teenagers.
I was "forcibly raped" by my boyfriend in college and I didn't report that either because I knew it would be turned back on me. After all, we'd had sex before so how could it be rape? Broken nose and all. Besides, I was scared of him.
I've had other men grope me and kiss me when I tried to refuse and never reported them because it's "boys being boys" and most of us know it won't be taken seriously.
Why not come out when it happens? We should be glad of the attention, especially when it's someone rich or famous, and whose word will be believed? Not to mention retribution.
ETA
I was happy when I turned 50 because the number of personal comments and invasion of my personal space dropped off. Not entirely, but some.
Old and In the Way
(37,540 posts)I hope most of my gender is better than that. You have my total respect and appreciate your contributions to DU.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)that it gets really old.
The Trump pussy tape should not be appalling just to those with girls, but boys also because they need to learn early, as most do, that this is totally inappropriate.
Thank you for your kind words. I have not talked about this stuff for a long time, but the hurt and anger are surfacing. I'm glad so many women are speaking out against Trump, and believe these shit if conversations are happening all over, which is good.
Old and In the Way
(37,540 posts)This thinking to be acceptable. Glad I was always the doubter and never the participant. I guess having close sisters influenced me more than male friends.
radical noodle
(8,003 posts)although I was never forcibly raped. My first was when I was 16, the last time by my boss when I was 64 and married (in 2012). Several times in between. It's embarrassing and it's often with someone we know. Sometimes it's a married man and his wife is your friend. There are so many reasons why women do not say anything. I never did until now and truthfully I would not ever accuse them by name unless there was a good reason. It's too much trouble. But I'm sure these women see this as "doing the right thing." His words triggered all this.
Stinky The Clown
(67,808 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)gwheezie
(3,580 posts)& very few people know about any of them. I told a few people know about 2 rapes but for the countless unwanted physical encounters from the small like refusing to let go of my hand, to pinning me down who am I going to tell? It happens to all of us, maybe we don't know it at the time but as we get older we know. I can sit with friends & oneight say some pig grabbed me or demanded a kiss & none of us have to hear the detail we just nod our heads because we all know. There's no point talking about it now because someone would ask why didn't you say something then & I really am not that brave to have to argue with someone to.make them believe me.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)radical noodle
(8,003 posts)don't be silly. Don't be a prude. Stop being stuck up. I knew you were flirting, you owed me. Just touch it. I could go on. Men have NO idea.
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forgotmylogin
(7,530 posts)pnwest
(3,266 posts)believe us, we'll be accused of going after a rich target just for a settlement, and most importantly - we know when accusing a guy like Trump you bring down hordes of lawyers onto your head, copious counter-suits, financial ruin and reputation ruined. Think about it. Young, broke, unknown and no resources - accusing a rich, powerful guy of impropriety. You'll get sued into oblivion.
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)lindysalsagal
(20,692 posts)lpbk2713
(42,759 posts)It wouldn't help in the least.
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)this evening, maybe go stay with, talk things over, find some emotional support.
I have no idea in hell, but am wondering if maybe she could use a good friend out there somewhere. I hope she has the number handy and has made the call.
I hope she brings her son along and that they leave the house. He has to go to school tomorrow in the wake of these assault reports about his father.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)hence her reluctance to join his presidential fantasies
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)her husband's politics are dangerous and unacceptable, I just hope she and her son are ok.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)I wish her well but I don't have much sympathy for her
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saltpoint
(50,986 posts)and I hope she's alright.
demotux
(76 posts)... but chances are he's actually the one ending up there. Can't wait to see that Weazle handcuffed. Throw away the key, then.
eleny
(46,166 posts)Stinky The Clown
(67,808 posts). . . . because he admitted it in no shy way. Twice. The Billy Bush tape and the Stern tape. The individual admissions may well have been personally cathartic for this speaking up.
eleny
(46,166 posts)Oh, brother.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)JBoy
(8,021 posts)MFM008
(19,816 posts)than I can HEAR.
As many women have, I have run across men like him in my life.
bullimiami
(13,099 posts)malchickiwick
(1,474 posts)0rganism
(23,957 posts)JCMach1
(27,559 posts)Anyone starting a pool on how many women step forward tomorrow?
Midnight Writer
(21,768 posts)Warpy
(111,277 posts)so don't tell me you're a bit surprised by any of this.